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Title: Right Wing, Tea Party Trying To Mitigate Damage From AZ Shooting
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Lez Get Real
URL Source: http://lezgetreal.com/2011/01/right ... igate-damage-from-az-shooting/
Published: Jan 10, 2011
Author: Bridgette P. LaVictoire
Post Date: 2011-01-10 18:23:05 by Brian S
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When Jared Lee Loughner opened fire on a group of Representative Gabrielle Giffords’ constituents, it was not on the orders of anyone specific, but it was after more than two years of demonization coming from within the Right that had been largely ignored and rarely denounced from within the Conservatives of the United States. Right now, there is a push to mitigate the damage done to the Conservatives by Loughner’s actions, but it is not likely to succeed. The extreme and violent rhetoric has been seen to have come from the Right, and the American public are not going to be dissuaded from saying that enough is enough. That it took the deaths of six- including a nine year old girl- to bring this nation to this point is horrific. Now the question is, was this act by Loughner a Kent State or a Fort Sumpter? There are those on the Right who are trying to push back. They are trying to link Jared Lee Loughner to the Left using often flimsy evidence and Glenn Beck talking points. Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center feels that it may be difficult to directly link Loughner to the Right, but his rhetoric is that of the Right. Yesterday, LGR looked at how Loughner’s beliefs matched up with those of Ron Paul on the Gold Standard, and various people on the Right with regards to the PC Thought Police. I forgot one detail- the destruction of the Contitution. For as much as the Tea Party and the Right wants to wrap themselves up in the Constitution, they do a good job of advocating the repeal of much of it. For instance, this from Talking Points Memo regarding the repeal of the 17th Amendment: The “Repeal The 17th” movement is a vocal part of the overall tea party structure. Supporters of the plan say that ending the public vote for Senators would give the states more power to protect their own interests in Washington (and of course, give all of us “more liberty” in the process.) As their process of “vetting” candidates, some tea party groups have required candidates to weigh in on the idea of repeal in questionnaires. And that’s where the trouble starts. How about the attempt to repeal all or part of the 14th Amendment? Here is an interview between TPM and John McCain: TPMDC asked, “Do you support the Minority Leader’s push for hearings into the repeal of birthright citizenship?” “Sure, why not?” McCain said briefly. “Do you support the idea itself?” “I support the idea of having hearings,” McCain said. “Do you have a problem with the 14th amendment?” another reporter asked. “You’re changing the constitution of the United States,” McCain said. “I support the concept of holding hearings.” “I support the concept of holding hearings,” McCain repeated, turning to the rail car conductor. “Let’s go!” he snapped. “I don’t have anything to add to that.” While many who advocate for these ideas know that it is impossible to really repeal those, and it would be a major mess to do so, there is always that one mind who thinks that if it does not happen, then they government is not listening, and violence is called for. Potok of the SPLC was quoted by TPM as having said: “When you look at the Internet material he purportedly produced, the first impression you get is that the 22-year-old now in custody for the shooting of 19 people in Tucson was completely out of his mind, or at least mildly deranged. His writings will be virtually impossible for most people to understand, what with his references to unexplained numbers, his fondness for weird syllogisms, his unexplained references and his apparent semi-literacy.” “At this early stage, I think Loughner is probably best described as a mentally ill or unstable person who was influenced by the rhetoric and demonizing propaganda around him. Ideology may not explain why he allegedly killed, but it could help explain how he selected his target.” The rhetoric has been to the extreme, and it has caused so many problems. While there has been some of this on the Left, often that has been condemned and squashed within hours or a day of it having been said. LGR played its part in putting a lid on the extreme rhetoric and calls for violence within the LGBT Community. Those on the Right did not give the order, but they played a part in creating a situation where this happened. The reason why it was hard- impossible in fact- for the Right to blame Al Gore for the shooting at the Discovery Channel’s headquarters is because he never used militaristic rhetoric to defend the need for global climate change legislation the way that the Right have used it to defend their beliefs in the destruction of the Constitution, the return of the gold standard, and the abolition of the ‘PC Thought Police’. There is a perception now that those who are violent on the Right have the tacit blessing of their side while those who are violent on the Left do not. If the Right wants to make amends now, the best thing is to change the rhetoric, tone it down, and discuss these issues like a rational person.Lez Get Real
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#41. To: lucysmom (#40)
Uh, you just said its good I live by my values but its not good to ask others to live by values. So what you are saying is its not good to live by values?
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
No.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
What exactly do you mean by holding values? What is your political party association? Whom did you vote as POTUS in the last election?
What exactly do you mean by holding values? My values are emanate from the Ten Commandments. Before you scream about separation of church and state, the laws of the west are a codification of those Commandments. The laws the left are trying to pass are an attempt to overturn those values for a suicide pact. The left is engaged in destruction of society to build a more communist lie in its place. Since Communism is manifestly wrong and unworkable, the left is insane. What is your political party association? Independent. Whom did you vote as POTUS in the last election? I voted independent.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
The Ten Commandments are just a small subset of moral principles; they are religious in background for history and philosophical considerations and most people around the world irrespective of cultural/country origin practice the same so you are in good company. But, I asked about "conservative" values; the question is inferred from my post near the top of the thread. Wrong on two counts. First, you are making an assumption about "screaming", and second, you are basing "laws of the West" on the Ten Commandments. I shall agree the some laws include those religious values but not all. I don't understand this set of ideas. I asked about your conservative values not your considerations of anything else. Please tell me what are conservative values. Thank you.
Really? Have you read this one: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Yes I have. Where am I bearing false witness? I'm not the one trying to pin this terrible incident on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, or the right in general. Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in. Jared Loughner is a Democrat. He supported this President and Nancy Lugosi. Deal with it.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Why are you so defensive? He was a madman. How do you know what he read and acted upon?
I'm not defensive. I'm fed up with you liberals refusing to admit this creep was one of you.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
You seem to miss my core questions in your posts and only answer the ones that pick & choose. Why is that? Are you evading direct questions about being conservative?
No I answered ALL your questions. YOU don't like the answers. Your fault, not mine.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
your constant cries of "he's a left winger" are simply untrue.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
buckeroo: He was a madman. How do you know what he read and acted upon? Please answer the question. After that one is answered I shall work my way up the thread.
Yeah. Voting for Hussein Soetoro, supporting Nancy Lugosi and setting up a satanic shrine in his backyard are all hallmarks of the right? You are insane.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Don't tell me what to do, lunatic. Any question you have has been answered. Start facing reality you delusional fool.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
buckeroo: He was a madman. How do you know what he read and acted upon? Please answer the question. After that one is answered I shall work my way up the thread.
You know how he voted? Or are you again violating the ten commandments?
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
LOL! It's easy to see why you are a Dim. He was mad at the government, the Congresswoman represented government to him. He was mad at her for not being Dim enough.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Does your heart go out to Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and the rest, Pete? I mean, they seem to feel that they need to defend themselves rather than mourn for those lost, and try to change in a manner that would make them more civil. Do you think that maybe it is because a more civil tone in political discussion would put them out of business?
Specifically, what do you base that on?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
"My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!" That's enough for everybody else, even though it isn't enough for you.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
The shooter wrote that? I thought it was boyblue. Did you know one of Jerad's favorite books is “We the Living” by Ayn Rand?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
No. Why should it? What have they done? I mean, they seem to feel that they need to defend themselves rather than mourn for those lost, and try to change in a manner that would make them more civil. Total bullBush. They are pissed because you leftists are doing your damndest to blame THEM for what one of your own did. Who can blame them? Do you think that maybe it is because a more civil tone in political discussion would put them out of business? No. It would definitely put the left out of business,though.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Specifically, what do you base that on? His own words.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Which words? Grammar? Dreaming? Do those words speak to you in some kind of code?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
How freaking stupid ARE you,anyway? YOU are the one using code,and you use some sort of special Dim Code to turn plain words into something impossible to understand. Try "She didn't support Pelosi for Speaker,and she is dead to me." The typical 3rd grader can understand those words.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No results found for "She didn't support Pelosi for Speaker,and she is dead to me." Why don't you just provide a link to whatever it is your talking about.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Imbecile.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Here is a link to the deleted Daily Kos page. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me! Here is a link to his face book page. Note the people he admires. I suspect they are the same people you admire. http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8946/fb001.jpg
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Are you claiming Jerad is Blue Boy? It was Blue Boy who wrote "My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!", not Jerad. by BoyBlue EDIT NOTE: I initially deleted this diary out of sensitivity to the victims of Saturday's Tucson shooting, including my Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords, who is now courageously fighting for her life at UMC. I undeleted because this has been twisted and distorted by not only the right wing blogs, but also the mainstream media as an example of a vitriolic statement from the progressives that is somehow the equal of what Sarah Palin, Sharron Angle, Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Boortz, and other far-right stokers of vitriol, anger, and hatred have said and written. Which I believe can and does influence people, especially the already unstable to carry out acts of violence...perhaps even the exact shooting in Tucson on Saturday. And didn't we already talk about the phrase "dead to me" meaning "disowned", not literal death? http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8946/fb001.jpg I think that's one of them fake facebook pages this guy writes about http://habledash.com/index.php?o...=47:latest-news&Itemid=65
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
From you, I take that as high praise, thank you!
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Which Right wing are they talking about? The one that puts Americans last, supports illegals, globalist corporations, endless wars, open borders, massive debts, massive 'legal' immigration and billions in welfare for illegals and Wall Street?
Yet "targeted for defeat" means murder them?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
When paired with an image of a gun sight (is that what Sarah is calling it today?) yes.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Is this true when Dims do the same thing? How about when Acting President Soetoro,"The one you have been waiting for!" tells supporters to get out and get in the faces of political opponents,and "When they bring a knife to a fight,we bring a gun!"
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Of course it is. How about when Acting President Soetoro,"The one you have been waiting for!" tells supporters to get out and get in the faces of political opponents,and "When they bring a knife to a fight,we bring a gun!" Ping me when a president Soetoro is elected.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
I would,but so far nobody by that name or any of his aliases has been legally elected. That doesn't seem to bother you at all,though.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Oh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses. Yet you have no problem with a Daily Kos poster calling her "dead" 2 days before she is shot.
He called her "Dead to me" and said he'd no longer support her. Not quite what you're implying there, Eric. You are slightly better than your idiot cohort Rudgear, though, who keeps insisting that the shooter himself posted that.
“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin
Funny. Palin herself called them bulls-eyes and targets.
“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin
That's pretty strong language. Can prove Loughner didn't see that and get the idea to try and kill her because of it?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIts a good thing to live according to one's values; its not such a good thing to demand others live according to them.
#42. To: Rudgear (#41)
Uh, you just said its good I live by my values but its not good to ask others to live by values. So what you are saying is its not good to live by values?
#43. To: Rudgear (#39)
es. In outlook and action I endorse the conservative lifestyle. What's the point in holding values if you don't live them? That's something you lefties cannot grasp. Being conservative means holding values above 'isms' to the point you abandoning the Republican party for it's departure from those values. Liberalism means jettisoning values that conflict with party boilerplate and tolerating everything to remain one of the Party faithful. It is the ultimate 'ism'.
#44. To: buckeroo (#43)
#45. To: Rudgear (#44)
My values are emanate from the Ten Commandments.
Before you scream about separation of church and state, the laws of the west are a codification of those Commandments.
The laws the left are trying to pass are an attempt to overturn those values for a suicide pact. The left is engaged in destruction of society to build a more communist lie in its place. Since Communism is manifestly wrong and unworkable, the left is insane.
#46. To: Rudgear (#44)
My values are emanate from the Ten Commandments.
#47. To: go65 (#46)
#48. To: Rudgear (#47)
I'm not the one trying to pin this terrible incident on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, or the right in general.
Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in.
#49. To: buckeroo (#48)
Why are you so defensive?
#50. To: Rudgear (#49)
#51. To: buckeroo (#50)
You seem to miss my core questions in your posts
#52. To: Rudgear (#47)
? I'm not the one trying to pin this terrible incident on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, or the right in general. Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in. Jared Loughner is a Democrat. He supported this President and Nancy Lugosi. Deal with it.
#53. To: Rudgear (#51)
Rudgear: Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in.
#54. To: go65 (#52)
#55. To: buckeroo (#53)
#56. To: Rudgear (#55)
Rudgear: Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in.
#57. To: Rudgear (#54)
Yeah. Voting for Hussein Soetoro, supporting Nancy Lugosi and setting up a satanic shrine in his backyard are all hallmarks of the right? You are insane.
#58. To: lucysmom (#38)
Unless he tells us, we're unlikely to know - secret ballot and all.
#59. To: sneakypete (#58)
#60. To: sneakypete (#58)
He was mad at her for not being Dim enough.
#61. To: lucysmom (#60)
Specifically, what do you base that on?
#62. To: Rudgear (#61)
"My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!"
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#59)
Does your heart go out to Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and the rest, Pete?
#64. To: lucysmom (#60)
He was mad at her for not being Dim enough.
#65. To: sneakypete (#64)
His own words.
#66. To: lucysmom (#65)
Which words? Grammar? Dreaming? Do those words speak to you in some kind of code?
#67. To: sneakypete (#66)
Try "She didn't support Pelosi for Speaker,and she is dead to me."
#68. To: lucysmom (#67)
#69. To: lucysmom (#67)
Why don't you just provide a link to whatever it is your talking about.
#70. To: sneakypete (#69)
Here is a link to the deleted Daily Kos page.
Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST
#71. To: Rudgear (#68)
Imbecile.
#72. To: Brian S (#0)
(Edited)
#73. To: lucysmom (#70)
And didn't we already talk about the phrase "dead to me" meaning "disowned", not literal death?
#74. To: sneakypete (#73)
Yet "targeted for defeat" means murder them?
#75. To: lucysmom (#74)
(Edited)
When paired with an image of a gun sight (is that what Sarah is calling it today?) yes.
#76. To: sneakypete (#75)
Is this true when Dims do the same thing?
#77. To: lucysmom (#76)
Ping me when a president Soetoro is elected.
#78. To: lucysmom (#74)
When paired with an image of a gun sight
#79. To: no gnu taxes (#78)
Yet you have no problem with a Daily Kos poster calling her "dead" 2 days before she is shot.
#80. To: no gnu taxes (#78)
Oh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses.
#81. To: Skip Intro (#79)
"Dead to me"
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