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Title: Right Wing, Tea Party Trying To Mitigate Damage From AZ Shooting
Source: Lez Get Real
URL Source: http://lezgetreal.com/2011/01/right ... igate-damage-from-az-shooting/
Published: Jan 10, 2011
Author: Bridgette P. LaVictoire
Post Date: 2011-01-10 18:23:05 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 85349
Comments: 115

When Jared Lee Loughner opened fire on a group of Representative Gabrielle Giffords’ constituents, it was not on the orders of anyone specific, but it was after more than two years of demonization coming from within the Right that had been largely ignored and rarely denounced from within the Conservatives of the United States. Right now, there is a push to mitigate the damage done to the Conservatives by Loughner’s actions, but it is not likely to succeed. The extreme and violent rhetoric has been seen to have come from the Right, and the American public are not going to be dissuaded from saying that enough is enough.

That it took the deaths of six- including a nine year old girl- to bring this nation to this point is horrific. Now the question is, was this act by Loughner a Kent State or a Fort Sumpter?

There are those on the Right who are trying to push back. They are trying to link Jared Lee Loughner to the Left using often flimsy evidence and Glenn Beck talking points. Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center feels that it may be difficult to directly link Loughner to the Right, but his rhetoric is that of the Right.

Yesterday, LGR looked at how Loughner’s beliefs matched up with those of Ron Paul on the Gold Standard, and various people on the Right with regards to the PC Thought Police. I forgot one detail- the destruction of the Contitution.

For as much as the Tea Party and the Right wants to wrap themselves up in the Constitution, they do a good job of advocating the repeal of much of it. For instance, this from Talking Points Memo regarding the repeal of the 17th Amendment:

The “Repeal The 17th” movement is a vocal part of the overall tea party structure. Supporters of the plan say that ending the public vote for Senators would give the states more power to protect their own interests in Washington (and of course, give all of us “more liberty” in the process.) As their process of “vetting” candidates, some tea party groups have required candidates to weigh in on the idea of repeal in questionnaires. And that’s where the trouble starts.

How about the attempt to repeal all or part of the 14th Amendment? Here is an interview between TPM and John McCain:

TPMDC asked, “Do you support the Minority Leader’s push for hearings into the repeal of birthright citizenship?”

“Sure, why not?” McCain said briefly.

“Do you support the idea itself?”

“I support the idea of having hearings,” McCain said.

“Do you have a problem with the 14th amendment?” another reporter asked.

“You’re changing the constitution of the United States,” McCain said. “I support the concept of holding hearings.”

“I support the concept of holding hearings,” McCain repeated, turning to the rail car conductor.

“Let’s go!” he snapped.

“I don’t have anything to add to that.”

While many who advocate for these ideas know that it is impossible to really repeal those, and it would be a major mess to do so, there is always that one mind who thinks that if it does not happen, then they government is not listening, and violence is called for. Potok of the SPLC was quoted by TPM as having said:

“When you look at the Internet material he purportedly produced, the first impression you get is that the 22-year-old now in custody for the shooting of 19 people in Tucson was completely out of his mind, or at least mildly deranged. His writings will be virtually impossible for most people to understand, what with his references to unexplained numbers, his fondness for weird syllogisms, his unexplained references and his apparent semi-literacy.”

“At this early stage, I think Loughner is probably best described as a mentally ill or unstable person who was influenced by the rhetoric and demonizing propaganda around him. Ideology may not explain why he allegedly killed, but it could help explain how he selected his target.”

The rhetoric has been to the extreme, and it has caused so many problems. While there has been some of this on the Left, often that has been condemned and squashed within hours or a day of it having been said. LGR played its part in putting a lid on the extreme rhetoric and calls for violence within the LGBT Community.

Those on the Right did not give the order, but they played a part in creating a situation where this happened. The reason why it was hard- impossible in fact- for the Right to blame Al Gore for the shooting at the Discovery Channel’s headquarters is because he never used militaristic rhetoric to defend the need for global climate change legislation the way that the Right have used it to defend their beliefs in the destruction of the Constitution, the return of the gold standard, and the abolition of the ‘PC Thought Police’.

There is a perception now that those who are violent on the Right have the tacit blessing of their side while those who are violent on the Left do not.

If the Right wants to make amends now, the best thing is to change the rhetoric, tone it down, and discuss these issues like a rational person.Lez Get Real Subscribe to *Tea Party On Parade*

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Right Wing, Tea Party Trying To Mitigate Damage From AZ Shooting

How come? The shooter was a liberal Democrat Like you, you know.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-10   19:35:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rudgear (#1)

Right Wing, Tea Party Trying To Mitigate Damage From AZ Shooting

How come? The shooter was a liberal Democrat Like you, you know.

Correct! A liberal crazy went bonkers at a liberal/socialist political gathering. The political "left" needs to be scrambling to effect some damage control. Perhaps denial of the problem and blaming events on someone else is their way of doing that.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   20:03:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: eskimo (#4)

Not correct at all.

See post #3.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   20:05:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Skip Intro (#5)

The crazy guy was said to work for the Giffords campaign in 2007.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   20:13:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: eskimo (#6)

The crazy guy was said to work for the Giffords campaign in 2007.

Truth to these people is like garlic to a werewolf. Kind of funny watching them recoil.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-10   20:17:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Rudgear (#7)

Truth to these people is like garlic to a werewolf. Kind of funny watching them recoil.

This is unbelievable. It is like they are in a different dimension and our reality is unknown to them.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   20:20:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: eskimo (#9)

This is unbelievable. It is like they are in a different dimension and our reality is unknown to them.

Their whole lives and beliefs are built upon lies. Do you think they can face that horrible fact this late in their lives? They have no respect for truth to the point of no longer being able to even recognize it.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-10   20:22:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Rudgear, eskimo, Skip Intro (#11)

Their [liberals] whole lives and beliefs are built upon lies. Do you think they can face that horrible fact this late in their lives? They have no respect for truth to the point of no longer being able to even recognize it.

I have a question for you, Rudgear: are you a pristine, conservative wall-flower tacked on the wall about EVERYTHING in your life?

This liberal-conservative tug 'o war that Rush Limbaugh claims is silly. It discounts reality and doesn't address the REAL world around us.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-10   20:33:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#13)

are you a pristine, conservative wall-flower tacked on the wall about EVERYTHING in your life?

Would you mind translating that into English?

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-10   21:20:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Rudgear (#15)

Do you claim that you are a "conservative" and live with every breath you take a conservative life style?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-10   21:55:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#19) (Edited)

Yes. In outlook and action I endorse the conservative lifestyle. What's the point in holding values if you don't live them? That's something you lefties cannot grasp. Being conservative means holding values above 'isms' to the point you abandoning the Republican party for it's departure from those values. Liberalism means jettisoning values that conflict with party boilerplate and tolerating everything to remain one of the Party faithful. It is the ultimate 'ism'.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   9:47:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rudgear (#39)

es. In outlook and action I endorse the conservative lifestyle. What's the point in holding values if you don't live them? That's something you lefties cannot grasp. Being conservative means holding values above 'isms' to the point you abandoning the Republican party for it's departure from those values. Liberalism means jettisoning values that conflict with party boilerplate and tolerating everything to remain one of the Party faithful. It is the ultimate 'ism'.

What exactly do you mean by holding values? What is your political party association? Whom did you vote as POTUS in the last election?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   12:33:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo (#43)

What exactly do you mean by holding values?

My values are emanate from the Ten Commandments. Before you scream about separation of church and state, the laws of the west are a codification of those Commandments. The laws the left are trying to pass are an attempt to overturn those values for a suicide pact. The left is engaged in destruction of society to build a more communist lie in its place. Since Communism is manifestly wrong and unworkable, the left is insane.

What is your political party association?

Independent.

Whom did you vote as POTUS in the last election?

I voted independent.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   13:18:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Rudgear (#44)

My values are emanate from the Ten Commandments.

Really?

Have you read this one: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

go65  posted on  2011-01-11   13:39:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: go65 (#46)

Yes I have. Where am I bearing false witness? I'm not the one trying to pin this terrible incident on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, or the right in general. Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in. Jared Loughner is a Democrat. He supported this President and Nancy Lugosi. Deal with it.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   14:02:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Rudgear (#47)

I'm not the one trying to pin this terrible incident on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, or the right in general.

Why are you so defensive?

Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in.

He was a madman. How do you know what he read and acted upon?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   14:09:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: buckeroo (#48)

Why are you so defensive?

I'm not defensive. I'm fed up with you liberals refusing to admit this creep was one of you.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   14:16:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rudgear (#49)

You seem to miss my core questions in your posts and only answer the ones that pick & choose. Why is that? Are you evading direct questions about being conservative?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   14:54:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#50)

You seem to miss my core questions in your posts

No I answered ALL your questions. YOU don't like the answers. Your fault, not mine.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   15:03:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Rudgear (#51)

Rudgear: Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in.

buckeroo: He was a madman. How do you know what he read and acted upon?

Please answer the question. After that one is answered I shall work my way up the thread.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   15:07:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: buckeroo (#53)

Don't tell me what to do, lunatic. Any question you have has been answered. Start facing reality you delusional fool.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   15:10:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Rudgear (#55)

Rudgear: Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in.

buckeroo: He was a madman. How do you know what he read and acted upon?

Please answer the question. After that one is answered I shall work my way up the thread.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   15:21:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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