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Title: The unseemly rush to blame Sarah Palin, Tea Party and Republicans for murder in Arizona
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URL Source: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t ... blicans-for-murder-in-arizona/
Published: Jan 9, 2011
Author: Toby Harnden
Post Date: 2011-01-09 10:13:33 by Rudgear
Keywords: Culture, Tea Party, Democrats
Views: 26384
Comments: 39
Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, by all accounts an outstanding public servant and person, is battling for her life in hospital after being shot by a 22-year-old man at close range at a “Congress On Your Corner” event in her home district. Six people are dead, including a judge and a girl of nine, and a dozen others are being treated for their wounds. It is, as President Barack Obama said, an “unspeakable tragedy”. It is also, as he added, “a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society”. That much we know and the President wisely did not seek to make political capital out of the carnage or jump to conclusions about the motivations of the gunman, named as Jared Loughner. That, of course, hasn’t stopped some on the Left clamouring to blame Sarah Palin, the Tea Party or Republicans in general for what happened. Paul Krugman of the “New York Times” suggests darkly that Giffords was shot because she was “a Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona” and “violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate” (those reponsible for such a climate being, of course, Republicans). TBogg of FireDogLake wades straight in and blames Sarah Palin for the shooting because of a graphic of crosshairs placed on the districts of moderate Democrats who voted for healthcare reform. Was the Palin graphic clever? No. But martial imagery is standard political fare and, as Matt Lewis points out, there’s no shortage of Democrats who’ve engaged in it (VerumSerum has found a Democratic Leadership Committee target map). Jane Fonda pins it on Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and the Tea Party. Even the local sheriff (a Democrat) has been getting in on the act. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik (a Democrat) said: When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry. Well, we’ll see. Personally, I’d be more reassured by a sheriff who concentrated on facts rather than over-heated, sweeping generalisations. So what are the facts we know so far? From what we know about Loughner, he was a deeply disturbed young man who railed about literacy rates, spoke of flag burning and creating a new currency. Former classmates talk of “nonsensical outbursts” and a person “on his own planet”. His favourite reading apparently included “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”. My colleague Jon Swaine has a summary here of the raving of a person who most people would judge to be a complete nutcase even if he hadn’t gone out and shot people. Oh, and another former classmate said he was “left wing, quite liberal”. Naturally, this doesn’t stop Jacob Heilbrunn, pontificating that the shootings are evidence of that the “radical right is becoming even more radicalised and violent”. Ben Smith sums up the current picture of Loughner pretty well: The obsession with the gold standard and the hostility to the federal government resonate with the far right, the burned American flag with the left, but the discussion of mind control and grammar sound more like mental illness than politics. This is highly inconvenient for certain people on the Left so they ignore it. They would much prefer the shooter to have been a white male in his 50s, the description the sheriff gave of a second person of interest (we’ll see if such a person materialises) but they’ll still try to make hay with a weirdo like Loughner. Giffords herself doesn’t quite fit the likely victim of an enraged Right-winger. She is a Blue Dog Democrat, a deficit hawk and voted to lift the ban on guns in DC and voted against Nancy Pelosi for Speaker. On Thursday, she took part in the reading of the Constitution in the House, reading aloud the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of religion, speech and peaceful assembly. She’s certainly not the “progressive” that Hanoi Jane tweeted about and provoked as much anger on the Left as on the Right for her political stances. Just the other day, a blogger at DailyKos said that Giffords was “dead to me” for failing to back Pelosi. Plenty more will emerge in the coming days about Loughner’s motivations and those of any accomplice. It seems certain that the attempted assassination was politically motivated but in exactly what way is, at this stage, very murky. This is a time for sombre reflection and a calming (rather than an escalation) of rhetoric. Sadly, however, some see it as another opportunity to score political points and vilify those they hate.
Poster Comment: This is a time for sombre reflection and a calming (rather than an escalation) of rhetoric. Sadly, however, some see it as another opportunity to score political points and vilify those they hate. The above cannot be stated enough.
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#1. To: Rudgear (#0)
True. Unfortunately, we are NOT in a "free society." The government has taken over every aspect of society, by stripping every protection out of the Constitution. We have no right to free speech, or right to assemble peaceably. "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." We have been taxed into oblivion, by a government/central-bank deal that is overtly illegal, and resulted in a clear military-industrial complex. We have no way to obtain meaningful redress from the government, because the SCOTUS is as corrupt as every other government branch... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." oBUMa and his ilk, are intentionally squeezing the middle class, knowing that they'll fight back. It's what they want.
In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense. http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16281&Disp=9#C9 Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.
I've yet to hear or read a similar statement from the radical right.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Why can't you radical leftist accept the fact this guy was one of you? Hell, Fred Phelps is a radical Democrat, too.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Unseemly!? Unseemly is blaming Iraq/Afghans/Muslims for PeakOil and the Us War for Resources. And you can expect little to know sympathy from the various parts of the globe that we now occupy. And I notice in passing how the article was able to work Jane Fonda in. Nice touch. 8D
Jane Fonda came out from under her rock to denounce Palin and the Tea Party. Deal with it. ;}
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Just google that. Too bad that so much energy will be needed now to dissociate the NRA/Palin/Tea Party/Foxnews from Arizona Glocks with Extended 30 shot clips. 8D
I'll be needing to see that quote now. But since Jane went evangelical herself, I really don't care except that the 'gunners/VietNam could've been won 'ers' keep bringing her up. And btw, Palin doesn't know the first thing about firearms. Those folks especially should be concerned about using inflammatory language. ;}
You could have done this yourself, stoooooooooooopid.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
BTW-Wonder if the job's still open for Bristol? Title: Phoenix Radio Station Offers Bristol Palin Job. Station Director Says it's Not a Publicity Stunt -- Whatever You Say, Brah Source: [None] URL Source: blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/va ... nix_radio_station_offers_b.php Published: Jan 7, 2011
First off, she needs more server space. Someone's hitting her site big time. 8D Second, I don't do twitter. yet. Third. Jane's a busy girl!!!! Fourth. I don't see anything wrong with those twitters. 8D Fifth. for the Ad Hominem, a special reply: "Title: Phoenix Radio Station Offers Bristol Palin Job. Station Director Says it's Not a Publicity Stunt -- Whatever You Say, Brah Source: [None] URL Source: blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/va ... nix_radio_station_offers_b.php Published: Jan 7, 2011 I want you to know the truth about our declining Empire. The rigged game exemplifies and signifies that decline. The owners want you to participate in their rigged system. As long as you do so, you will remain enslaved. The only liberation available to you is to reject their phony politics, and the idea they want you to believe that the owners only have your best interests at heart. Understanding and rejecting this nonsense is the first, crucial step toward true freedom. And now here's George. It's called the American dream because you have to a sleep to believe it. 8D
Your back peddling is weak and you don't need to 'do' twitter. Others do and preserved this idiot's inane ramblings which prove conclusively she is no evangelical. If you don't see the problem, then you ARE part of the problem.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
I was a Conservative, but I can't get on board with what Conservatives have become. Phelps is so radical Democrats reject him. Why does the GOP embrace and pander to their radicals?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
But you have no problem with what Democrats have become? A former conservative? Yeah, right. Go back to 'Disseminating Propaganda 101' for a refresher, lady. Prove to me the GOP embraces him.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
The parties seemed to have switched places. Clinton was certainly more fiscally conservative than Bush. Prove to me the GOP embraces him. I didn't say the GOP embraces the shooter (presupposing that's the "him" you're talking about). I said the GOP embraces and panders to their radical elements.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
What was your question? Answer: Prove to me the GOP embraces him. What was my response? Answer: I didn't say the GOP embraces the shooter (presupposing that's the "him" you're talking about). If you were a real Conservative, you'd take responsibility for your own imprecise communication.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Doe you see the extent of your insanity? Read again and repeat until comprehension is achieved.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Doe you see the extent of your insanity? Read again and repeat until comprehension is achieved. If I said the GOP embraces Phelps you should be able to quote me saying that instead of quoting yourself insisting I said that. (talk about insane...)
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
BUMP
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
And so we re the circle. I agree with all of Jane's posts. The evangelical's been downtoned by her. Live by the gun. Die by it. See Palin/Gifford for details.
You libs are the ones who resort to shooting elected officials. Statist puke.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
example. tick tock.
A Deranged Imperial City of a deranged USEmpire inveitably breeds deranged citizens: Mike Ruppert: "There will undoubtedly be those who want to go off down blind alleys and after red herrings looking for all kinds of things. Anti-Semitism has already been offered on the altar of public consumption because the Congresswoman is Jewish. The Tea Party and Sarah Palin are being routinely injected into media discussions. We may see some new gun laws but they will not alter the fact that there are already an estimated 250 million firearms and perhaps billions of rounds of ammunition that are in the hands of an increasingly distressed American populace. Conditions are inevitably going to worsen despite Fed Chairman Bernanke’s recent proclamation the “The recovery is taking hold”. Continued irrationality on the part of the government will produce more irrationality from the people until the time comes when it will not be possible to conveniently categorize would-be assassins and shooters as deranged. Otherwise the government will be in the position of having to label us all as such and by then it won’t matter."
Sounds about right. Do you think the Pubbies will really back off from their Health Care reform nullification legislation?
They either repeal it or own it. simple. and here's a nice quote: "Jared Lee Loughner is a young man, from a younger generation less inclined to worry about the labels offered by The Establishment. His generation — as with young people all over the world — is suffering mightily and will bear the brunt of the wreckage human industrial civilization has left them. He is a member of a generation which — looking into its future — sees nothing except hopelessness. Make no mistake that as the fallout from this tragic event continues that, and that alone will be the paramount concern for political leaders in this country and around the world." "Not one has shown an iota of fear of death. They want to end this agony." - Jack Kevorkian
Good quotes, thanks.
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" ~Janis Joplin
Thank you for posting Olbermann's jack booted statist rant against liberty, and our God given inalienable civil rights. It should be enough to convince any red blooded and sane American, that it's time to lock and load. Molon Labe, MF'er! (Come and take them!) The pinhead has outed himself as a Bushbot thug, since hObama took over.
Jesus H. CHRIST... When are we gonna' finally be rid of that bitch, Hanoi Jane?
In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense. http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16281&Disp=9#C9 Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.
I would NOT recommend holding your breath, until that time comes... She's a dolt.
In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense. http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16281&Disp=9#C9 Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.
It should be enough to convince any red blooded and sane American, that it's time to lock and load. Molon Labe, MF'er! (Come and take them!) In between my classes of this past week, I re-read Orwell's 1984. I recommend that you check it out, if you've not read it in the last few years. go56, brianS, skippy, lucysmom, ferret mike and the rest of the libs, they're actively engaging in what Orwell called "doublethink." That is, denying reality, in the belief that whatever they wish and imagine to be, is the truth, and that reality is not reality, unless they wish to accept it as such. That is, they are willfully stupid. They actually exalt in it, are proud of it. They love the state so much, they are willing to believe literally anything the state tells them, because to not believe would therefore mean the state could be wrong, may make mistakes. To them, the state is ALL, and anyone who dares challenge such notions, is a "conspiracy theorist," a "nut" or a "terrorist." They're beyond reach. Attempting to debate facts with them, is wasted effort, since they refuse to accept any facts which contradict their beliefs.
In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense. http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16281&Disp=9#C9 Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.
Good points about Orwell and the site dolts.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" ~Janis Joplin And with Freedom comes the responsibility. You can do whatever you want now. Choose wisely. ;}
Around the World Royal Family granted new right of secrecy. Orwell feared the Gov't would ban books. Huxley fear: there would be no need to ban books, for there would be no one who would want to read one. ""Centrist hogs swarm the both-sides-do-it trough" edition. On "Meet the Press" today, Teabagger/Republican Congressman Labrador from the Free White People's Republic of Idaho noted that during Bush Administration a bunch of Liberals said "Fuck" a lot and and many other naughty things about The Dear Leader. This, he averred, was precisely the same as the wingnuts showing up en mass at public events waving guns, screaming about crackpot conspiracy theories and stating quite openly that if they don't get what they want they will start shooting. And so the Curtain is drawn while Evil adjust it's ripped mask. The Talking Heads will talk from Phoenix, until the Citizen-slaves are calmed. And then we move on to more 'Security'. More 'War.' Goldman/JP Morgan appreciate your patience while the adjustment takes place. 8D
"Centrist hogs swarm the both-sides-do-it trough" edition. The leaders of these societies have absolutely no interest in ever gaining "peace" for their society/citizenry. The thought of "peace breaking out" within their society, terrifies them. This is because they realize that their nation is filled with homicidally enraged torture victims, and unless provided with a steady diet of "demonized foreign societies" to hate and direct their rage against, societal leaders are in mortal terror that their flock of homicidal torture victims will somehow find the rationality and insight to recognize that it is their own society which deserves to be the target of their rage. At the same time, these societies still need to justify their wars on a pretense of morality and legitimacy, as well as to "claim victory" at some point in time, pretending to joyously celebrate the "end of the war", even though in reality societal leaders are already eagerly planning for and attempting to provoke a new war, as soon as they realize that the current war they are engaged in, is nearing a likely end.
There is nothing that facilitates free speech like bringing a gun to the debate.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
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It is, as President Barack Obama said, an “unspeakable tragedy”. It is also, as he added, “a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society”.
-- John F. Kennedy --
-- John F. Kennedy --
-- George Orwell, 1984 --
ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.
#2. To: Rudgear (#0)
#3. To: lucysmom (#2)
#4. To: Rudgear, All (#0)
#5. To: mcgowanjm (#4)
#6. To: All (#4)
Cross Hairs and 'Lock and Load'
#7. To: Rudgear (#5)
Jane Fonda came out from under her rock to denounce Palin and the Tea Party. Deal with it. ;}
#8. To: mcgowanjm (#7)
#9. To: All (#7)
#10. To: Rudgear (#8)
#11. To: mcgowanjm (#10)
#12. To: Rudgear (#3)
Why can't you radical leftist accept the fact this guy was one of you? Hell, Fred Phelps is a radical Democrat, too.
#13. To: lucysmom (#12)
#14. To: Rudgear (#13)
But you have no problem with what Democrats have become? A former conservative?
#15. To: lucysmom (#14)
Can't answer the question s you change the question. Got it. You know you said the GOP embraces Phelps, not the shooter and I said prove the GOP embraces him, meaning Phelps, not the shooter. You are insane.
#16. To: Rudgear (#15)
Can't answer the question s you change the question. Got it. You know you said the GOP embraces Phelps, not the shooter and I said prove the GOP embraces him, meaning Phelps, not the shooter. You are insane.
#17. To: lucysmom (#16)
You know you said the GOP embraces Phelps, not the shooter and I said prove the GOP embraces him, meaning Phelps, not the shooter. You are insane.
#18. To: All (#8)
BUMP
#19. To: Rudgear (#17)
You know you said the GOP embraces Phelps, not the shooter and I said prove the GOP embraces him, meaning Phelps, not the shooter. You are insane.
#20. To: All (#0)
#21. To: All (#0)
BUMP
#22. To: Rudgear (#11)
this idiot's inane ramblings
#23. To: mcgowanjm (#22)
#24. To: Rudgear (#23)
You libs are the ones who resort to shooting elected officials. Statist puke.
#25. To: All (#24)
#26. To: mcgowanjm (#25)
A Deranged Imperial City of a deranged USEmpire inevitably breeds deranged citizens:
#27. To: Fred Mertz (#26)
Do you think the Pubbies will really back off from their Health Care reform nullification legislation?
#28. To: mcgowanjm (#27)
#29. To: mcgowanjm (#27)
He is a member of a generation which — looking into its future — sees nothing except hopelessness
#30. To: lucysmom (#2)
(Edited)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq38Nnf4pOw
#31. To: Rudgear (#8)
-- George Orwell, 1984 --
ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.
#32. To: Rudgear (#17)
Read again and repeat until comprehension is achieved.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --
ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.
#33. To: hondo68 (#30)
Thank you for posting Olberman's jack booted statist rant against liberty, and our God given inalienable civil rights.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --
ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.
#34. To: Capitalist Eric (#33)
#35. To: hondo68 (#29)
sees nothing except hopelessness
#36. To: Rudgear, Capitalist Eric, All (#34)
Good points about Orwell and the site dolts.
#37. To: hondo68 (#30)
(Edited)
The pinhead has outed himself as a Bushbot thug, since hObama took over.
#38. To: mcgowanjm (#36)
This, he averred, was precisely the same as the wingnuts showing up en mass at public events waving guns, screaming about crackpot conspiracy theories and stating quite openly that if they don't get what they want they will start shooting.
#39. To: lucysmom (#38)
There is nothing that facilitates free speech like bringing a gun to the debate.
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