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Title: No, Obamacare Does Not Reduce The Deficit
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URL Source: http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/no ... e-does-not-reduce-the-deficit/
Published: Jan 6, 2011
Author: sayanythingblog
Post Date: 2011-01-06 13:12:17 by no gnu taxes
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Comments: 12

he primary weapon liberals have used to push back against Republican efforts to repeal Obamacare is to suggest that Obamacare reduces the national debt, and thus repealing Obamacare will increase the national debt and make hypocrites out of Republicans who have promised to be fiscally responsible. “[A]s a matter of arithmetic, using the math that Congress always uses, the bill saves money,” says the Washington Post’s Ezra “the Constitution is too old to understand” Klein. ” It cuts enough spending and raises enough taxes to more than pay for itself, both in the first 10 years and in the second 10 years.”

Except, that’s not actually true. As Veronica de Rugy explains:

Assuming the very unlikely scenario that every cut in the Affordable Care Act is enacted, the law contains provisions that have conflicting effects on net federal spending. On the one hand, it increases spending by increasing the federal commitment to Medicaid and increasing federal subsidies for private insurance; on the other hand, federal payments to Medicare and private insurance are legislated to decrease.

While the increases are a sure thing, the savings are unlikely to materialize. In 2010 alone, Congress has already headed off four scheduled payment drops — in January, March and April and December (I think). In fact, as the CBO noted, “Congress has kicked the can down the road on payment reductions yet again, putting off the reduction in payment rates until at least December 2010.” But even that didn’t happen.

The bottom line is that this law doesn’t reduce federal spending on health care under even the rosiest of scenarios (that is, projections that take seriously all its creators’ assumptions).

The Democrats’ gambit in suggesting that Republicans are deficit hypocrites for wanting to repeal Obamacare asks us to assume that the CBO, working under narrow instructions from the past Democrat supermajority, was honest in its accounting of the bill.

We all know that to be a farce.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

The CBO disagrees.

But that's all moot now, it's up to the GOP to present a plan that reduces the deficit. I look forward to seeing it.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-06   13:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#1)

The CBO disagrees

The CBO just vomits back out whatever information it gets -- without regard to the accuracy of that information.

GIGO

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-06   13:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65 (#1)

But that's all moot now, it's up to the GOP to present a plan that reduces the deficit. I look forward to seeing it.

Considering it took Democrat control of the white house and congress to remind Republicans that they are fiscal conservatives, me too.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-06   14:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#2)

The CBO just vomits back out whatever information it gets -- without regard to the accuracy of that information.

Kind of like Ideologues.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-06   14:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#3)

Considering it took Democrat control of the white house and congress to remind Republicans that they are fiscal conservatives, me too.

Republicans aren't fiscal conservatives. That is a myth.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-06   15:05:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: no gnu taxes (#2)

The CBO just vomits back out whatever information it gets -- without regard to the accuracy of that information.

you mean like you when it comes to posting discredited pieces about global warming or false surveys?

Go back and look at the CBO projections for medicare part D, they weren't all that far off (they actually slightly overestimated the cost).

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-06   15:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: go65 (#6)

you mean like you when it comes to posting discredited pieces about global warming

I've posted nothing that was "discredited."

Go back and look at the CBO projections for medicare part D

Don't know about that, but the accuracy of their projections is totally based on the accuracy of the information they receive. Even Obama's own GAO notes that Obamacrapcare will increase the deficit.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-06   15:11:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: no gnu taxes, go65 (#7)

Don't know about that, but the accuracy of their projections is totally based on the accuracy of the information they receive. Even Obama's own GAO notes that Obamacrapcare will increase the deficit.

Projections are based on stuff that is yet to happen in the future - nobody can provide accurate information.

"Projections are always wrong, he [CMS chief actuary Richard Foster] notes, but still essential to wise policy making."

As for medicare part D, it has ended up costing less than projected.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-06   17:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lucysmom (#8)

Projections are based on stuff that is yet to happen in the future - nobody can provide accurate information.

So you think they just pull it out of their asses? In some cases, that might be true.

It's like when they declared that the stimulus created a million jobs or so. Why did they say that? Because it was predicted beforehand that the jobs would be created, actual results be damned.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-06   18:17:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: no gnu taxes (#9)

So you think they just pull it out of their asses? In some cases, that might be true.

They make their best, educated guess.

This stuff isn't hard science, its human behavior and human behavior is difficult to predict with accuracy.

It's like when they declared that the stimulus created a million jobs or so. Why did they say that? Because it was predicted beforehand that the jobs would be created, actual results be damned.

That's one of those things that would be impossible to prove or disprove.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-06   19:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lucysmom (#8)

rojections are based on stuff that is yet to happen in the future - nobody can provide accurate information.

"Projections are always wrong, he [CMS chief actuary Richard Foster] notes, but still essential to wise policy making."

As for medicare part D, it has ended up costing less than projected.

For as long as anyone can remember both sides accepted CBO scoring when calculating the cost of a bill. Now that the GOP appears poised to brush off the CBO and instead score bills themselves, they've crossed another line toward full-out insanity.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-06   22:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

Even Obama's own GAO notes that Obamacrapcare will increase the deficit.

by less than it would increase without it.

Can you point me to the GOP proposals to reduce the deficit?

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-06   22:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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