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Title: California Records Rain and Snow Measured in Feet
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010- ... asured-in-feet-from-storm.html
Published: Dec 22, 2010
Author: Bloomberg
Post Date: 2010-12-22 11:24:06 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 13200
Comments: 28

An estimated 17 feet (5.2 meters) of snow has fallen at a monitor near the Kern River in California’s Sierra Nevada mountains in less than a week, according to the U.S. Hydrometeorological Prediction Center.

Central and southern California have borne the brunt of a Pacific storm that has dropped rain by the foot in some places, as well as heavy snow in the mountains, forcing officials to call for the evacuation of 2,000 people earlier this week.

“This is definitely a rare occasion for southern California,” Noel Isla, a National Weather Service meteorologist in San Diego, said late yesterday. “The totals in the end will probably be some of the highest in history.”

Tanbark in Los Angeles County recorded 21.58 inches (55 centimeters) of rain as of early today, according to the weather service. Twin Peaks in San Bernardino County measured 21.46 inches as of yesterday, weather service records show.

About 2,000 residents of McFarland, 135 miles (217 kilometers) north of Los Angeles, were told to leave their homes earlier this week in the face of flooding. The evacuation order has since been lifted.

There have been reports of sewage and petroleum leaks caused by flood waters in San Diego, Fresno and Los Angeles counties, according to the California Emergency Management Agency website.

In the Sierra Nevada mountains, snow totals are being measured in feet. The estimated 17 feet at the Pascoes near the Kern River is the highest, however 16 feet is believed to have fallen at the West Woodchuck Meadow monitor near the King’s River and 15.9 feet at the Wet Meadow station on the Kern River, according to the hydrometeorological center in Camp Springs, Maryland.

High Winds

A 164 mile-per-hour wind gust was recorded near Mammoth Mountain, according to the center. A Category 5 hurricane, the strongest on the five-step Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale, has winds of at least 155 mph.

“A series of moist Pacific systems will continue to inundate the western U.S. through the middle of this week as a plume of deep subtropical moisture continues to stream into the region,” according to a center storm summary.

Flood watches and warnings have been posted for much of southern California, Nevada and Utah, as well as western Arizona, according to the weather service.

The storm hasn’t caused any flight delays at Los Angeles or San Diego, according to the Federal Aviation Administration website.

East Coast

This storm may cross the U.S. and bring heavy snow to the East Coast on Christmas or the day after, said Brian Edwards, a meteorologist with commercial forecaster AccuWeather Inc.

“There is some potential for some high-impact stuff once you get toward Christmas Day,” Edwards said by telephone from State College, Pennsylvania. “There is potential for a snow storm across a large portion of the I-95 corridor.” Interstate- 95 is the main north-south highway between Maine and Florida, passing through New York and Washington D.C.

Edwards said computer simulations aren’t clear on the exact outcome of the storm, which may also pass harmlessly out into the Atlantic.

He said there is potential for another storm to hit the West Coast this weekend.

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#1. To: go65 (#0)

I'm eagerly awaiting your gyrations that will attempt to explain this as global warming.

Like the snow in Iraq (first time in history), the blizzards shutting down the U.K. (worst in recorded history), the worst snowfall in Minnesota history, the worst winter in Scotlands' history, etc, etc, etc...

In other words, everybody's getting POUNDED by the cold, and you're the moron running around telling everyone it's too HOT!

So tell me... what have you been smokin'?

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-12-22   12:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Capitalist Eric (#1)

I'm eagerly awaiting your gyrations that will attempt to explain this as global warming.

Given your obsession with water vapor, I would think that you would be aware of the FACT that warmer air holds more water vapor than colder air. I guess I'm mistaken.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-12-22   15:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65 (#2)

I would think that you would be aware of the FACT that warmer air holds more water vapor than colder air.

Except that along with the snow, there has also been record cold.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-12-22   16:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#3)

Except that along with the snow, there has also been record cold.

Where? California?

That's totally wrong, but par for the course for you.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-12-22   16:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Skip Intro (#4)

yes, among other places

http://westernfarmpress.com/grapes/california-crop-weather-grape-harvest-nears-end

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-12-22   16:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: no gnu taxes (#5)

Where's that record cold in California, again? Not it the month old news you posted above.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-12-22   16:55:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Skip Intro (#6)

The dominating feature for mid-week was record and near record cold temperatures which blanketed California Wednesday thru Friday. Freeze warnings were in effect for most of northern California. Low temperature records were set multiple days in a row from far northern coastal California at Crescent City to Southern California and locations inland.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-12-22   17:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: go65 (#2)

I guess I'm mistaken.

On this point, I agree. You are mistaken about a great MANY things.

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-12-22   17:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: no gnu taxes (#3)

It hit 85 in Palm Springs, 12 degrees above normal.

http://www.mydesert.com/article/20101216/NEWS09/12160321/- 1/newsfront/Pacific+gloom+may+bring+rain+to+Coachella+Valley

We're also seeing record warm temps in Texas, and unusually warm weather in Colorado.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-12-22   18:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: go65 (#9)

It hit 85 in Palm Springs, 12 degrees above normal.

Doesn't matter. There was a cold snap for a day or so a month ago. To Eric, that proves whatever it is he wants it to prove.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-12-22   19:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: go65 (#9)

It hit 85 in Palm Springs, 12 degrees above normal.

From you expelling hot air.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-12-22   19:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: go65 (#9)

You're FOS

http://weather.yahoo.com/united-states/california/palm-springs-2467696/

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-12-22   21:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: no gnu taxes (#12)

it was 85 a few days ago (http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp? ID=KCAPALMS5).

Have a look at this year's highs versus average highs for the region:

http://www.psview.com/weather/stats.aspx


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-12-22   21:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: go65 (#9)

It hit 85 in Palm Springs, 12 degrees above normal.

And this means precisely dick.

Look at what's happening RIGHT NOW, all over the fucking WORLD, you dumb-shit..

Headlines from Drudge:

FLOOD AND MUD...

STRONGEST STORM YET TO HIT S CALIFORNIA...

HILLSIDE SLIDES ONTO I-10 RAMP...

RADAR...

VIDEO: Hail, Tornadoes, Lightning, 'Staggering' Amounts of Rain...

State of emergency declared...

Syracuse smashes snow records for December...

Freak diversion of jet stream paralyzing globe with freezing conditions...

From Google News:

More snow on the way after lull in Colorado storm
Aspen Times - Nathan Bilow - 2 hours ago

Massive Western Storm Drops Snow In Feet, Not Inches
OnTheSnow.com - 14 hours ago

Big weather may cause big holiday travel delays 46;

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-12-22   22:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Capitalist Eric (#14) (Edited)

Look at what's happening RIGHT NOW, all over the fucking WORLD, you dumb-shit..

I have been looking:

You keep ignoring it. And despite your ranting about water vapor, you keep ignoring the fact that warmer air/seas generate more intense storms.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1427

Heavy snow events--a contradiction to global warming theory? Global warming skeptics regularly have a field day whenever a record snow storm pounds the U.S., claiming that such events are inconsistent with a globe that is warming. If the globe is warming, there should, on average, be fewer days when it snows, and thus fewer snow storms. However, it is possible that if climate change is simultaneously causing an increase in ratio of snowstorms with very heavy snow to storms with ordinary amounts of snow, we could actually see an increase in very heavy snowstorms in some portions of the world. There is evidence that this is happening for winter storms in the Northeast U.S.--the mighty Nor'easters like the "Snowmageddon" storm of February 5-6 and "Snowpocalypse" of December 19, 2009. Let's take a look at the evidence. There are two requirements for a record snow storm:

1) A near-record amount of moisture in the air (or a very slow moving storm). 2) Temperatures cold enough for snow.

It's not hard at all to get temperatures cold enough for snow in a world experiencing global warming. According to the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, the globe warmed 0.74°C (1.3°F) over the past 100 years. There will still be colder than average winters in a world that is experiencing warming, with plenty of opportunities for snow. The more difficult ingredient for producing a record snowstorm is the requirement of near-record levels of moisture. Global warming theory predicts that global precipitation will increase, and that heavy precipitation events--the ones most likely to cause flash flooding--will also increase. This occurs because as the climate warms, evaporation of moisture from the oceans increases, resulting in more water vapor in the air. According to the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, water vapor in the global atmosphere has increased by about 5% over the 20th century, and 4% since 1970. This extra moisture in the air will tend to produce heavier snowstorms, assuming it is cold enough to snow. Groisman et al. (2004) found a 14% increase in heavy (top 5%) and 20% increase in very heavy (top 1%) precipitation events in the U.S. over the past 100 years, though mainly in spring and summer. However, the authors did find a significant increase in winter heavy precipitation events have occurred in the Northeast U.S. This was echoed by Changnon et al. (2006), who found, "The temporal distribution of snowstorms exhibited wide fluctuations during 1901-2000, with downward 100-yr trends in the lower Midwest, South, and West Coast. Upward trends occurred in the upper Midwest, East, and Northeast, and the national trend for 1901-2000 was upward, corresponding to trends in strong cyclonic activity."

The strongest cold-season storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent for the U.S. The U.S. Global Change Research Program (USGCRP) began as a presidential initiative in 1989 and was mandated by Congress in the Global Change Research Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-606), which called for "a comprehensive and integrated United States research program which will assist the Nation and the world to understand, assess, predict, and respond to human-induced and natural processes of global change." This program has put out some excellent peer-reviewed science on climate change that, in my view, is as authoritative as the U.N.-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports. In 2009, the USGCRP put out its excellent U.S. Climate Impacts Report, summarizing the observed and forecast impacts of climate change on the U.S. The report's main conclusion about cold season storms was " Cold-season storm tracks are shifting northward and the strongest storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent".

The report's more detailed analysis: "Large-scale storm systems are the dominant weather phenomenon during the cold season in the United States. Although the analysis of these storms is complicated by a relatively short length of most observational records and by the highly variable nature of strong storms, some clear patterns have emerged (Kunkel et al., 2008).

Storm tracks have shifted northward over the last 50 years as evidenced by a decrease in the frequency of storms in mid-latitude areas of the Northern Hemisphere, while high-latitude activity has increased. There is also evidence of an increase in the intensity of storms in both the mid- and high-latitude areas of the Northern Hemisphere, with greater confidence in the increases occurring in high latitudes (Kunkel et al., 2008). The northward shift is projected to continue, and strong cold season storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent, with greater wind speeds and more extreme wave heights". The study also noted that we should expect an increase in lake-effect snowstorms over the next few decades. Lake-effect snow is produced by the strong flow of cold air across large areas of relatively warmer ice-free water. The report says, "As the climate has warmed, ice coverage on the Great Lakes has fallen. The maximum seasonal coverage of Great Lakes ice decreased at a rate of 8.4 percent per decade from 1973 through 2008, amounting to a roughly 30 percent decrease in ice coverage. This has created conditions conducive to greater evaporation of moisture and thus heavier snowstorms. Among recent extreme lake-effect snow events was a February 2007 10-day storm total of over 10 feet of snow in western New York state. Climate models suggest that lake-effect snowfalls are likely to increase over the next few decades. In the longer term, lake-effect snows are likely to decrease as temperatures continue to rise, with the precipitation then falling as rain".


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-12-22   22:32:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: go65 (#0)

21 inches. Entire year's rainfall in 6 days.

That's climate weirding.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-12-23   9:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: go65 (#15)

You keep ignoring it. And despite your ranting about water vapor, you keep ignoring the fact that warmer air/seas generate more intense storms.

Like AZ Snowbirds.

You don't see 'em until Winter. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-12-23   9:35:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: go65 (#15)

You keep ignoring it.

Of COURSE I do. The GISS data is from NASA, which is run by a political scientist. Oh, and the data has been corrupted (which we all knew already, but was confirmed by some of the latest Wikileaks revelations).

You're INTENTIONALLY trying to pass off bogus data as the real thing. As the UK Guardian observed, “Hidden behind the save-the-world rhetoric of the global climate change negotiations lies the mucky realpolitik: money and threats buy political support; spying and cyberwarfare are used to seek out leverage.”

And despite your ranting about water vapor,

I don't "rant" about it. Hell, I don't care about it, because it doesn't fucking matter. This is simply another of your lies, easily exposed.

And the rest of your post, is more propaganda based on the already-discredited GISS data.

What's next? Gonna' stick your fingers in your ears, say "nyah, nyah, I can't hear you!"....?

You're amusing, in a macabre sort of way... Amusing because you believe so blindly, in something that we can prove doesn't exist...

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-12-23   12:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Capitalist Eric (#18)

Of COURSE I do. The GISS data is from NASA, which is run by a political scientist. Oh, and the data has been corrupted (which we all knew already, but was confirmed by some of the latest Wikileaks revelations).

And the fact that the GISS data corresponds with data from the UK Met office and every other group measuring global temperatures is further evidence of the global conspiracy, right?

Look, if all you've got is "it's all a conspiracy" then you've got nothing. Go and play with the 9/11 truthers.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-12-23   13:01:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: go65 (#19)

Look, if all you've got is "it's all a conspiracy" then you've got nothing. Go and play with the 9/11 truthers.

Maybe you can address the points below? I noticed you tried to avoid them, when I posted them on another thread... Clearly, you consider yourself superior to everyone else in your understanding of "climate change," so perhaps you can come up with some coherent responses....

The UN secretary-general today called on world leaders for immediate action on climate change - before flying thousands of miles to the US for a music concert and then leaving in the interval to jet to Europe. [Evening Standard 12/12/07]

The Global Warming Scam


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The natural fluctuation of global temperatures

1922: Global warming


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1975: Global cooling


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The "hockey stick" over time demonstrates manmade CO2 emissions are not related to warming:


Pre-2007: Global warming

Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research. A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes. Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures. [Telegraph 18/7/04]
They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer. [BBC 7/6/04]

Global warming and melting polar ice caps are not just problems here on Earth. Mars is facing similar global changes, researchers say, with temperatures across the red planet rising by around 0.65 degrees over the last few decades. [Register]

Sunspots - 9/27/2001

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For about 300 years Jupiter's banded atmosphere has shown a remarkable feature to telescopic viewers, a large swirling storm system known as The Great Red Spot. In 2006, another red storm system appeared, actually seen to form as smaller whitish oval-shaped storms merged and then developed the curious reddish hue.

Now, Jupiter has a third red spot, again produced from a smaller whitish storm. http://whatreallyhappened.com. Jupiter's recent outbreak of red spots is likely related to large scale climate change as the gas giant planet is getting warmer near the equator. [NASA]

Neptune has been getting brighter since around 1980; furthermore, infrared measurements of the planet since 1980 show that the planet has been warming steadily from 1980 to 2004. As they say on Neptune, global warming has become an inconvenient truth. [World Climate Report]

2007+: Global cooling

Dr. Kenneth Tapping is worried about the sun. Solar activity comes in regular cycles, but the latest one is refusing to start. Sunspots have all but vanished, and activity is suspiciously quiet. The last time this happened was 400 years ago -- and it signaled a solar event known as a "Maunder Minimum," along with the start of what we now call the "Little Ice Age."Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, says it may be happening again. Overseeing a giant radio telescope he calls a "stethoscope for the sun," Tapping says, if the pattern doesn't change quickly, the earth is in for some very chilly weather. [ICSC 2/9/08]

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on. No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. [DailyTech 2/27/2008]

IPCC computer predictions of warming versus real-world temperature data (blue and green lines):

Arctic ice extent was 30 per cent greater on August 11, 2008 than it was on the August 12, 2007:

Recent satellite observations from the Arctic indicate that spring ice melting is beginning at a lower rate than normal this year. According to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, the area of ice-covered ocean has decreased only about 750,000 km2 from its peak value at the end of February, compared to a normal decline of 1.1 million km2 by late April. If this trend continues, the annual ice melt in 2009 may be less than in recent years, and the late summer Arctic ice extent may rebound from its well-publicized downtrend. [stormx 4/22/2009]

[A] 20-member contingent [of scientists] from Canada, the U.S., Germany, and Italy - spent one month exploring the North Pole as well as never-before measured regions of the Arctic. Among their findings: Rather than finding newly formed ice to be two metres thick, "we measured ice thickness up to four metres," stated a spokesperson for the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research of the Helmholtz Association, Germany's largest scientific organization. [National Post 5/4/09]

In 2008-2009 the ice melt across during the Antarctic summer (October-January) was the lowest ever recorded in the satellite history:

The Global sea level rise has flattened considerably since mid-2005:

Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'.

The period between about 1645 and 1715 was particularly cold and coincides with the Maunder Minimum, where only about 50 sunspots appeared, compared to an expectation of from 40,000 to 50,000. [New American]

[In 2008 the Sun] hit a 50-year low in solar wind pressure, a 55-year low in radio emissions, and a 100-year low in sunspot activity. [BBC]

Realtime sun image

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New measurements from a NASA satellite show a dramatic cooling in the upper atmosphere that correlates with the declining phase of the current solar cycle. For the first time, researchers can show a timely link between the Sun and the climate of Earth's thermosphere, the region above 100 km, an essential step in making accurate predictions of climate change in the high atmosphere. [PRNewswire]


CLIMATEGATE!

LEAKED EMAILS AND DOCUMENTS FROM HADLEY CLIMATE CHANGE UNIT PROVE GLOBAL WARMING "EXPERTS" KNEW EARTH IS ACTUALLY COOLING!

If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka CRU) and released 61 megabytes of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That)

When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:

Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more. [full article]

More on Climategate.


NASA's press office "marginalized or mischaracterized" studies on global warming between 2004 and 2006, the agency's own internal watchdog concluded. In a report released Monday [4/4/2008], NASA's inspector general office called it "inappropriate political interference" by political appointees in the press office. [PhysOrg]

A simple method of manipulating surface temperature data which does not involve rocket science is to place temperature monitors in areas prone to heating or next to heat outlets. Another method is to ignore most of the weather stations sited in higher, colder places and use mainly ones located in warmer spots.

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Temperature monitor next to incinerator

A comparison of GISS data from the last 111 years shows US cities getting warmer whereas the temperatures of rural sites are not increasing:

This will seriously skew temperature records upwards, especially when you consider the Urban Heat Island effect can raise the temperature of New York by up to 10°F.


Okay, take notes, there will be a quiz at the end of class.

First of all, greenhouse effect is not a bad thing. Without it, our planet would not support life as we know it, as the average temperature would be too cold to support liquid water.

Water vapor is the single most potent greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, trapping more heat than carbon dioxide and methane put together. Estimates of the impact of water vapor on global warming vary widely from a minimum of 60% of all greenhouse effect to 98% of all greenhouse effect, but even at the minimum of 60%, that leaves 40% of greenhouse effect to be shared by all other chemicals combined, including carbon dioxide and methane (which has ten times the greenhouse capacity pound for pound as carbon dioxide).


A closer look at the numbers

Now then, looking at Carbon Dioxide, we find that only .117% of atmospheric carbon dioxide is directly attributable to human technology such as automobiles. .117% is a rather small amount. If we were to measure out .117% of a football field, it comes out to 4.212 inches, barely long enough to get off the touchdown line.

So, if humans ceased all technological activity, we would still see 99.883% of the carbon dioxide remain in the atmosphere, assuming all other factors remain stable (which is, of course, silly.)

Over the last few years, there have been very careful studies in Antarctica which clearly show global temperatures rising together with atmospheric carbon dioxide. Global warmers have sent me several of these research papers with the usual "Ah HA!" type comment, but on reading the papers it is clear that the global warmers stopped at the abstract, because what these recent studies show is that Carbon Dioxide levels increased AFTER the rise in global temperature. Let me re-state that. Studies of Antarctic ice show that the Earth would get warmer, and THEN Carbon Dioxide levels would increase. And there is nothing at all mysterious about this. Carbon dioxide is a very unique chemical in that it is more effectively dissolved in liquids in lower temperatures. Normally, air will hold more water when warm, sugar will dissolve in water more quickly when warm, but carbon dioxide will escape from solution as the temperature rises, which is why your beer will soak your shirt if it is too warm when you open it.

So, as the sun warms the Earth (as recorded in the ice) carbon dioxide dissolved in the oceans and lakes bubbles into the sky like too-warm soda pop fizzing over the top of the glass, and as the Antarctic ice reveals, winds up in the atmosphere.

Now, this is not to say that I think we should waste our planet's resources. Quite the contrary, I think we need to be very careful of what we have, because we are not likely to get a replacement planet any time soon. But the global warming "hype" is exactly that, hype to sell products and policies. If you want to do something about the damage to the planet caused by oil, STOP THE WARS BEING FOUGHT OVER IT!

Sixteen gallons of oil. That's how much the average American soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan consumes on a daily basis -- either directly, through the use of Humvees, tanks, trucks, and helicopters, or indirectly, by calling in air strikes. Multiply this figure by 162,000 soldiers in Iraq, 24,000 in Afghanistan, and 30,000 in the surrounding region (including sailors aboard U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf) and you arrive at approximately 3.5 million gallons of oil: the daily petroleum tab for U.S. combat operations in the Middle East war zone. [Pacific Free Press]

The [Iraq] war is responsible for at least 141 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent (MMTCO2e) since March 2003. To put this in perspective, CO2 released by the war to date equals the emissions from putting 25 million more cars on the road in the US this year.[climateandcapitalism.com]


The Great Global Warming Swindle

Link: The Great Global Warming Swindle

10 mins to Expose the Global Warming Scam

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FLASHBACK - 10/20/07 - Is there really a global warming consensus?

Greenpeace Leader Admits Arctic Ice Exaggeration

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See also:

The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam
Australian TV Exposes 'Stranded Polar Bear' Global Warming Hoax
Complexity Theory and Environmental Management

A Complete List Of Things Supposedly Caused By Global Warming
Record Low Temperatures in the United States
Power Point file on Global Warming
Rick Yanda - CO2, a Reality Check (PDF)

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-12-23   13:25:00 ET  (20 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Capitalist Eric (#20) (Edited)

do you have a source for that first chart? It claims to be from East Anglia, yet here is their data:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

and

And as I noted the last time you posted this series of charts, many are old, and many provide data that contradicts your own arguments. For example this chart shows sea ice below average:

And you continue to ignore the amplification effect of CO2 on water vapor. At least your own data admits that atmospheric CO2 is rising. Do you now accept that, or do you want to argue with yourself on that one too?

If you want to argue with yourself, be my guest.

LEAKED EMAILS AND DOCUMENTS FROM HADLEY CLIMATE CHANGE UNIT PROVE GLOBAL WARMING "EXPERTS" KNEW EARTH IS ACTUALLY COOLING!

they proved no such thing as numerous inquiries have shown. Again, as long as you base your arguments on false data, grand conspiracy theories, and blatant lies, you'll get nowhere. Stick to espousing the writings of those who argue that Jews drink the blood of gentile children.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-12-23   15:17:49 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: go65 (#21)

If you want to argue with yourself, be my guest.

I'm not arguing.

I post irrefutable facts.

You're the fool trying to argue.

Again, thanks for playing...

LOL.

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Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-12-23   18:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

I'm not arguing.

I post irrefutable facts.

Actually you posted data from the UK met office that is contradicted by the charts on their own web site, a chart showing that sea ice levels have fallen, and chart arguing that atmospheric CO2 is rising.

Since you are now arguing that CO2 is rising and sea ice levels are falling, we're nearing agreement in our positions.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-12-23   21:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Capitalist Eric, no gnu taxes (#23)

some new data from the Polar Ice Center at the University of Washington (who must be in on the grand conspiracy).


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-12-23   22:01:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: go65 (#23)

Since you are now arguing that CO2 is rising and sea ice levels are falling, we're nearing agreement in our positions.

Only in your wildest dreams, you moron.

PLEASE tell me you don't have kids. It'd be a shame for you to pollute the gene pool.

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-12-24   3:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: go65 (#21)

LEAKED EMAILS AND DOCUMENTS FROM HADLEY CLIMATE CHANGE UNIT PROVE GLOBAL WARMING "EXPERTS" KNEW EARTH IS ACTUALLY COOLING!

they proved no such thing as numerous inquiries have shown.

Wow...

I just picked up on the denial there...

Tell me, when the sky is blue, do you argue that it's red? If a piece of paper is white, do you believe it's black, simply because YOU believe it's true?

In a nutshell, I need to ask the obvious question: "Where the fuck do they GROW you morons?"

Stick to espousing the writings of those who argue that Jews drink the blood of gentile children.

Ah yes, the typical liberal defense: try to side-step the issue by throwing some shit against a wall, and hope it sticks. (Use wikipedia and other confirmed opinions, to substantiate diaphenous claims, and hope to Hell that nobody notices you've LOST the argument.)

What next, talking about Obama being the savior for global warming cooling?

You're a fucking joke.

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-12-24   3:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Capitalist Eric (#25)

Only in your wildest dreams, you moron.

You may want to consider actually looking at the pictures you post, reading them, and seeing what they say.

YOU posted charts above that show rising CO2 and declining sea ice.

I'm done with you Eric, i'll leave it to you to argue with yourself from here on out. Good day and Merry Christmas.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-12-24   10:46:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: go65 (#27)

ou may want to consider actually looking at the pictures you post, reading them, and seeing what they say.

Oh, I DID.

And even more, I *comprehend* what they mean.

Were you to do the same, it would be an improvement. Hell, it might even help you to gain a dram of credibility (which you utterly lack, at this point).

I'm done with you Eric
GOOD.

Go peddle your snake-oil somewhere else, you FRAUD.

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-12-25   23:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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