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Title: 'Don't ask' repeal wins final passage (with help of 8 Fudge Packing Republicans)
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URL Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46576.html
Published: Dec 18, 2010
Author: Scott Wong
Post Date: 2010-12-18 18:49:05 by Hondo68
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Keywords: victory for gay rights, support from eight Republicans, hugged gay-rights leaders
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The Senate voted Saturday afternoon to repeal the ban on gays in the military, marking a major victory for gay rights and an end to the 17-year old "don't ask, don't tell" policy. “By ending 'Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,' no longer will our nation be denied the service of thousands of patriotic Americans forced to leave the military, despite years of exemplary performance, because they happen to be gay,” Obama said in a statement. “And no longer will many thousands more be asked to live a lie in order to serve the country they love.” Nearly eight in 10 Americans support allowing gays to openly serve in uniform, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll released this week. “I don’t want to permit that opportunity to happen, and I will tell you why,” said McCain, a former Navy pilot and Vietnam prisoner of war who called it a “sad day.” “If you go up to Bethesda, Marines are up there with no legs, none. We have got Marines at Walter Reed with no limbs.”
The bill now heads to President Barack Obama, who plans to sign it into law, overturning what repeal advocates believed was a discriminatory policy that unfairly ended the careers of thousands of gay members of the military over the years.
The 65-31 Senate vote marked a historic – and emotional – moment for the gay-rights movement and handed Obama a surprising political triumph in the closing days of the 111th Congress. The legislation had been left for dead as recently as last week after Senate Republicans blocked efforts to advance it, yet on final passage, the bill won unexpected support from eight Republicans.
The repeal, which would not take effect immediately, ushers in a major cultural shift for a military that has operated under the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy since the first year of Bill Clinton’s presidency.
Shortly after the final tally was announced, a handful of top White House officials, led by Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina and senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, congratulated and hugged gay-rights leaders who had gathered just off the Senate floor.
“It’s a historic moment,” said Jarrett, who had never attended a vote before. “It wouldn’t have happened without Congress obviously, the president’s leadership and so many people across the country who became engaged in the issue … Everybody played a vital role in today’s success.”
The Senate vote capped months of uncertainty about whether Congress or the federal courts, where gay-rights advocates are fighting the ban, would act first to repeal the policy.
The real drama had already come a few hours earlier when the repeal bill cleared a crucial procedural hurdle. The 63-33 cloture vote was three more than needed to beat back a Republican filibuster.
With support from all but one member of the Democratic caucus and help from six Republicans, the bill overcame the 60-vote threshold required to move forward.
The Republican senators voting “yes” with the Democrats in the cloture vote were Mark Kirk of Illinois, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, George Voinovich of Ohio, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska – and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, both of Maine. Sens. Richard Burr of North Carolina and John Ensign of Nevada joined the six other Republicans in bucking their party on the historic final vote.
West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who previously stated he opposes repeal, was the only Democrat to miss the vote, apparently because of a family “holiday gathering,” his spokeswoman said.
Obama called the Senate vote an “historic step” toward ending a discriminatory policy that weakens America’s national security and violates the ideals troops risk their lives to defend.
“Today's vote said that if discrimination has no place in America, it has no place in the Armed Forces,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told reporters. “It said that we don't care who you love, as long as you love your country.”
With Republicans taking control of the House and gaining more power in the Senate in the new Congress that convenes in January, there was increasing urgency from Democrats and their gay-rights allies to approve the repeal in this lame-duck session.
For those who have fought to overturn the policy for nearly two decades, the Senate’s action was “akin to the Berlin Wall coming down,” according to one activist.
“Today, America lived up to its highest ideals of freedom and equality,” added Joe Solmonese, the president of the gay-rights group Human Rights Campaign who was on hand for the vote. “Congress recognized that all men and women have the right to openly serve their country. Plenty of people had already planned the funeral for this legislation. Today, we pulled out a victory from what was almost certain defeat just a few days ago.”
Senators who championed repeal framed the vote as a major new step forward for civil rights. Since 1993, more than 14,000 service members had been discharged from military service under the “don’t ask” policy.
“It took too long, but remember Dr. [Martin Luther] King said, ‘The moral arc of the universe may bend slowly, but it always bends toward justice,’” said Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), a lead sponsor of the legislation. “Today, we’ve done justice.”
A recent Pentagon report, based on a broad survey of the U.S armed forces, concluded that repeal would not harm military readiness or troop morale. That finding was supported by testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee by Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
But Republicans, led by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), pointed to comments from the leaders of the Marines, Army and Air Force who say repealing the policy while the military is engaged in two wars adds stress to an already-stretched force and poses significant risks for troops.
Marine Commandant Gen. James Amos said earlier this week that allowing openly gay men and women to serve could lead to “distractions” and “mistakes” that “cost Marine lives.”
McCain, the ranking Republican on the Armed Services Committee, also took issue with Reid for holding lame-duck votes on the repeal and an immigration bill called the DREAM Act. The Nevada Democrat is living in a “bizzarro world,” said McCain, one of a handful of Republicans who have threatened to block ratification of the new START nuclear-arms treaty with Russia because of Saturday’s votes.
“I do think that by jamming this through at this time, in the way it was done, makes it much harder to continue to work on the START treaty. And I think it’s more likely than not that it will be moved over to next year,” said Texas Sen. John Cornyn, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
“I think you can only poison the well so much around here, but we’ll see what Sen. Reid does. ...” Cornyn added. “If he is going to try to deny us an opportunity to offer amendments and close off debate, I think we need to pack it up and go home and come back in January."
Reid fired back, arguing that GOP obstinance would hurt national security.
“They’re going to vote against an international treaty dealing with nuclear weapons because they had to vote on the DREAM Act and ‘don’t ask, don’t tell?’ Now that’s real statesmanship,” Reid told reporters.
“They’re saying that because we are making our military strong by outlawing discrimination, they want to make America weaker by making it easier for terrorists to get nuclear weapons.”
The repeal measure, passed by the Senate Saturday, already cleared the Democratic-controlled House this week along a mostly party-line 250-175 vote. It now goes directly to the president for his promised signature.
The repeal, however, wouldn’t take effect immediately. Obama, Gates and Mullen would have to certify to Congress that they have reviewed the Pentagon report on the impacts of repeal, that the Defense Department is prepared to implement repeal and that doing so would not harm military readiness, troop morale, and recruiting and retention.
The policy would be repealed 60 days after the president submits the document.
"It is therefore important that our men and women in uniform understand that while today's historic vote means that this policy will change, the implementation and certification process will take an additional period of time,” Gates said in a statement. “In the meantime, the current law and policy will remain in effect.
Retired Marine Corps Gen. Clifford Stanley, undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness, would head up implementation of the changes, Gates said.
"Successful implementation will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force,” he added.
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
The U.S. army: Now more homoerotic than ever. I expect to see a lot of generals and colonels coming out of teh closet
Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!
When I was in the US Army during the South Vietnam police action, if anyone was considered "queer" they got the shit beat out of them. Those that performed the deed, "didn't ask or tell." The fucker that was beat to a pulp quit ... never again to be seen.
I didn't realize that you were so intolerant, bucky.
It is an interesting post. He says "considered queer" was the ticket to a beating. Considered; which is very much a problem with hatred this irrational. Many straight kids get beaten with no proof they are gay; they just have to be considered -- to possess the possibility of being homosexual. Which is just wrong. Nobody deserves to be beaten, and the violence is no excuse for not being able to wrap one's head around how others love. And it doesn't matter if it is a scapegoated straight or a gay. All live is precious, all love a gift and a joy. No one should be judged badly for their love of another, their ability to do so should be a celebration of life that is manifested in the caring of one person for another.
Yes, all life is precious. Especially my dog's life. She's 15+ right now and healthy.
Gratz on a long life for your four pawed sweetie. I had a dear ferret named Zorro die this year and I miss him. I had him for 7.5 year which is a long time for a ferret. I have two girls, Crystal and Jade who came to me to share his last months so he would not die alone. He was too sick and frail to fraternize with the more robust hobs and jill. So I adopted the girls who are very gentile Marshall Farms ferrets to be with him. His last months were good as they could of been, and they were perfect for him. I hope your dog lives many more years, and when she goes will be waiting at the rainbow bridge patiently for you to show up to be with you again.
Tolerance within a fighting machine? Only an ignorant PC Congress would chase out REAL men from the military based on this legislation. What you are seeing is the wanton disregard of serious soldier camaraderie based on trust and reliability within a fighting unit. I suppose all new military uniforms shall be created with pink flowers embroidered on the lapels. How about pink M-16s loaded with fresh marshmallows?
Tell that to a man under enemy combat fire.
We don't fight to just kill, that is a regrettable aspect of fighting to defend something. We are support to only have conflict if there is no choice, and it is done to defend something we value. Besides, if a man puts his life on the line to fight for his country, who is anyone to criticize who he loves? That is nobody's business but the two people engaged in a relationship.
Only an ignorant bigot would socially lynch important people out of the military who have important skills like being a translator, a scarce medical worker, or any other military occupational specialty we are short of to the point it hurts the mission. Often that's what bigotry against homosexuals does. It often endangers people and puts the mission at hand in jeopardy.
Fred --- you used to be a patriot. When did you start hating America?
“Today's vote said that if discrimination has no place in America, it has no place in the Armed Forces,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told reporters. “It said that we don't care who you love, as long as you love your country.” What the HELL do these posers know about loving a country or defending a country? They only love themselves and their careers. I guess Barry thinks we have all forgotten one of his best friends and his spiritual leader ranting,"God DAMN America!" from his pulpit,while Barry himself was still claiming to be a African? A recent Pentagon report, based on a broad survey of the U.S armed forces, concluded that repeal would not harm military readiness or troop morale. That finding was supported by testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee by Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Another crock of Bush. The way this works is the Pentagram is ORDERED to do a study and come up with a report favorable to the wishes of the White House. As far as Gates goes he has never served a day in his life,and Mike Mullen is nothing but a pussy himself. What the hell does HE really know or care about military readiness? He is a politician in uniform that signed off on allowing women about subs. If he REALLY thinks that won't cause problems he should be removed from his position due to mental incompetence. I wonder how many boomers are going to forced to surface early to allow a pregnant crew member to go back to shore,and how pregnancies,fights,and the petty jealousy on crew moral is going to affect combat readiness? Furthermore,I am betting the Navy is already planning a bunch of AA promotions to command positions by homosexuals and females in order to suck up to their political masters. Not much doubt about how THOSE are going to effect morale,is there?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Especially the ones wanting promotions. It's just a matter of time before we have homo service chiefs sitting on the JCS. Any flag officer that wants a seat there and is passed over on it will lodge a discrimination complaint,and it will be all over.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You have something against Jewish ferrets? You....,you....,you,ANTI-SEMITE,YOU!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That's the problem. Only a VERY few elected officials have ever served a day in the military,and even fewer of them made a career out of the military. And those few who did,such as McLunatic always put themselves and their careers ahead of the country in importance.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Nice speech. Now,let's interject a little reality into the "bunnies and sunflowers" viewpoint. You and I both know it would be fine if homosexuals were restricted as to the duties they could serve,but we BOTH know this won't happen. Even if it started out that way,there is a 100% certainty they will be filing discrimination suits to get promoted into jobs that will help their careers. I flat out state that NO homosexual,open or in the closet,should EVER served in a combat command position. For the same reasons we don't have male commanders of female troops in combat commands. This is one of the few jobs in the world where the "boss" has not only the power to order the troops under his command into attacks where they are almost certainly going to get killed,but the DUTY to do so. This power makes turning down sexual advances by your commander a risky thing to do. AND.....,we all know it is just a part of the leftist agenda to destroy the US Military as a fighting organizaton and into a social jobs organization. If homosexual males are allowed to command combat troops,pretty soon there will be demands and lawsuits demanding females be given these command decisions. And even before that the standards for military schools will be lowered even further to avoid suits,and our military schools will become identical to our public schools and not fail anybody with a pulse. Do you REALLY want a artillery gun crew or a C-130 gunship to support you that is commanded by somebody with ADD or some other learning disability? Look around you now at all the losers who have graduated from high school in the last 10 years that car barely read and write,if they can read and write at all.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Tell that to a man under enemy combat fire. Who had to go out of his way to get there. ;} Don't ever wonder how you got to Stalingrad. you made the decision daily. ;} " This reminds me of the Congressional page scandal…where GOP closet queens lured young men into sex with them. While voting to keep anti-gay laws on the books and persecuting open gays fighting for their own civil rights! So far, not one private contractor protected by the Pentagon has been arrested for these crimes in Afghanistan. ..This story should lay to rest all the hooey about Assange working for Israel: How Arab governments tried to silence WikiLeaks | World news | guardian.co.uk
Sound just like a Confederate Officer with blacks and women. Theodore Bilbo would applaud you. 8D
ROTFL .... with Mike, you are climbing a windowed skyscraper without any external equipment. He confuses "love" with "sexual desire" and in the military, particularly in combat, the last thing anyone needs is either of the two while you are worried about your own ass being blown off.
peakoilers can't really comment on the politics or dynamics of identity. sorry.
Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!
Based on your vast military experience,Buckwheat?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
This decision isn't good. How in god's name can we send pole smokers around the globe to kill goat fuckers? I'm thinking this will make it easier for the Kenyan to come out of the closet, tho.
like I said before, JT, the U.S. army has been made of faggots since Viet Nam.
Long live the Taliban Freedom Fighters!
Women, OH NO!
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Women, OH NO! These things sometimes end badly.
When you are right pete you are D@MNED RIGHT! This is a farce designed on purpose to degrade the military capabilities of the US armed forces. And the corrupt "perfumed princes" pushing this garbage don't give a rat's petoot about the military members. They are just in it for themselves. This WILL cause needless DEATHS, and WILL degrade unit cohesion just like they plan. The NAV's "ring knockers" are infamous whores when it comes to this stuff. G D@MN ALL of their eyes.
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Women, OH NO! For once you are right,even it it is unintentional.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
This is a farce designed on purpose to degrade the military capabilities of the US armed forces. IMHO,it is more than that. It is the final part of the "grand" plan to destroy America. They started this with the Civil Wrongs Act of 1964 that did nothing but destroy traditional black American families and cultures,increase the racial hostility both ways between blacks and whites,and even destroy both black and white neighborhoods. Hell,according to feral law you no longer even have the right to pick and choose your own friends or who you want to do business with. Turn down the wrong person regardless of reason,and get sued. Nope,in MY opinion this is the last leg of the march to destroy America using the tried and true "divide and conquer" method. The "divide" part has been wildly successful,and if this goes through all that is left is the conquer part because we will no longer have a military that is united in defense of the Constitution. And the corrupt "perfumed princes" pushing this garbage don't give a rat's petoot about the military members. They are just in it for themselves. Amen! It should be interesting to see what corporate boards they get no-show seats on after retiring. And it embarrasses me to say the Army seems to be going along with it without public questioning. Seems like the USMC is the only branch of the service left with senior command that remembers the details of their oaths. This WILL cause needless DEATHS, and WILL degrade unit cohesion just like they plan. ESPECIALLY once they put women on the "boomer" submarines. Just think,young men and young women alone in such close quarters that they have to "hot bunk",and are undersea for months at a time with no other distractions. What could possibly go wrong there,right? I'm wondering how effective the boomers are going to be when they have to surface once a month to let off the pregnant sailorettes and the sailors injured fighting each other over them. The NAV's "ring knockers" are infamous whores when it comes to this stuff. Not trying to piss you off again,but it seems like to me the Navy has always been the most political branch of the military. They are also the most uptight and anal about ruling from the top down and covering their asses. A young Navy officer that makes a mistake is almost always given the boot unless he has a name like McCain and comes from "royalty". Just look at what they did to all those Naval officers below field grade that were at the Tailhook convention. I was under the impression when I was in the army that 0-1's and 0-2's were EXPECTED to make mistakes,and it was the job of the NCO's working with them to teach them what they needed to know. IMHO,a young officer that DOESN'T make any mistakes needs to get the boot because the SOB isn't doing anything. G D@MN ALL of their eyes. Yeah,I'll go along with that.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You are not going to "piss me off" with the truth, and I LIVED under their "system" of rule for six years so you are preaching to choir on this matter. I could recount countless examples of the "ring knocker" effect. The TRUE "thin BLUE line" effect is the way that these ring knocking SOBS will do anything to cover for each other, they make cops look like honest school kids. I despise them in general. To this day when somebody calls me sir, I reply "do not call me "sir", my parents were married". Hardly anybody ever "gets it".
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And there you go. Just. Couldn't. stop. yourself. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA If I haven't been in the Middle of Stalingrad I have no idea. That kind of bullshit? BWAHAHAHAHAHA 8D But if I had been stupid enough to go to Nam and obey one of those Total Fuck Up West Point cadets and advance on an NVA held postion and get paralyzed with no balls as a result, then. ....wait for it..... And ONLY then, would I be allowed to state what a hell war is. Please. There have been too amny wars, too many books. papers. pleas, written about same. And pain is Universal. So Fuck Off with your "I knows best, what Military Strategy is. OK? An Aging Man 100+ years ago: "Again war. Again sufferings, necessary to nobody, utterly uncalled for. Again fraud, again the universal stupefaction and brutalization of men. Men who are separated from each other by thousands of miles ... are seeking out one another, in order to kill, torture, and mutilate each other in the cruelest way possible. What can this be? Is it a dream or a reality? Something is taking place which should not, cannot be; one longs to believe that it is a dream and to wake from it. But no, it is not a dream, it is a dreadful reality! ...How can so-called enlightened men preach war, support it, participate in it, and worst of all, without suffering the dangers of war themselves, incite others to it, sending their unfortunate defrauded brothers to fight? These so-called enlightened men cannot possibly ignore ... all that has and is being written about the cruelty, futility and senselessness of war. They are regarded as enlightened men precisely because they know all this. The majority of them have themselves written and spoken about it. ... No enlightened man can help knowing that the universal competition in the armament of states must inevitably lead them to endless wars or to a general bankruptcy, or else to both the one and the other. ... Everyone knows and cannot help but knowing that, above all, war, calling forth the lowest animal passions, deprave and brutalize men. ... All so-called enlightened men know this. Then suddenly war begins and all this is instantly forgotten, and the same men who but yesterday were proving the cruelty, futility, the senselessness of wars, now think, speak and write only about killing as many men as possible, about ruining and destroying the greatest possible amounts of human labor, and about exciting as much as possible the passion of hatred in those peaceful, harmless, industrious men who by their labour feed, clothe, maintain these same pseudo-enlightened men who compel them to commit those dreadful deeds contrary to their conscience, welfare or faith.
Something is taking place incomprehensible and impossible in its cruelty, falsehood and stupidity .... Stupefied by prayers, sermons, exhortations, by processions, pictures and newspapers, the cannon-fodder -- hundreds of thousands of men, uniformly dressed, carrying divers deadly weapons, leaving their parents, wives, children, with hearts of agony but with artificial bravado -- go where they, risking their own lives, will commit the most dreadful act of killing men whom they do not know and who have done them no harm. And they are followed by doctors and nurses who somehow imagine that at home they cannot serve simple peaceful suffering people but can only serve those who are engaged in slaughtering each other. Those who remain at home are gladdened by news of the murder of men, and when they learn that many [enemies] have been killed, they thank someone whom they call God.
That kind of bullshit? Not bullshit. Experience over theory. Since theory is the only thing you have to fall back on when discussing any issue,it's no surprise you think it is the equal of actual knowledge. And ONLY then, would I be allowed to state what a hell war is. Nope,that is a generalized statement that is an accepted truth. You could let your inner drama queen come out to dance on that one. Anybody with a room temperature IQ knows that to be true. Especially people with rich fantasy lives,like you. Chances are the thought of it scares you so bad you imagine it to be even worse than it really is. BTW,you can take that chip off your shoulder. Nobody really gives a damn that you didn't go to VN. Please. There have been too amny wars, too many books. papers. pleas, written about same. ROFLMAO! Once again,theory triumphs over reality and knowledge in your tight little world! And pain is Universal. So Fuck Off with your "I knows best, what Military Strategy is. OK? LOL! Ah feal yore pain,Genrul Marx!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
What pain? tis the season to be jolly. 8D "ROFLMAO! Once again,theory triumphs over reality and knowledge in your tight little world! " Theory!? From Trotsky desperately fending off the AngloAmericanWhite Army Invasion is theory!? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 8D But don't worry 'bout a thang. just keep traveling that road you're on. Stalingrad is just down the road. You can't miss it. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA 8D Wednesday, 24 November 2004, 16:43 C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 04 DUBLIN 001719 SIPDIS EO 12958 DECL: 11/23/2014 TAGS OVIP, ECON, PREL, ETRD, EINV, PGOV, EU SUBJECT: SECRETARY SNOW,S DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ARCHITECTS OF THE CELTIC TIGER ECONOMY Classified By: Ambassador James C. Kenny for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d) ¶1. (C) Summary: The November 14-15 visit of U.S. Treasury Secretary John W. Snow was an opportunity for discussion on SIPDIS the “secrets” of Ireland,s success with policy-makers and businessmen who were the architects of Ireland,s Celtic Tiger economy. These key figures noted that while the concepts behind Ireland,s reforms had been simple, the political will to carry out the reforms had only come in the context of an economic meltdown in the mid-1980s. They said that good-faith relations with labor, investment in education, and a “dictatorial” leadership that exposed industries to the full discipline of the market had been key to success. Ireland,s skill in securing substantial EU support funds and in exploiting U.S. policy on corporate tax deferral was another important factor in Ireland,s economic turnaround. Looking ahead, the policy-makers cited both the need to ensure Ireland,s continued competitiveness as a magnet for foreign direct investment and also the role of education in shaping Ireland as an innovation-based, higher-value economy. Secretary Snow,s classroom discussion at Dublin City University (DCU) highlighted the role of higher education in promoting innovation and entrepreneurship. End summary. ------------
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#2. To: hondo68 (#0)
#3. To: buckeroo (#2)
#4. To: Fred Mertz (#3)
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
All live is precious,
#6. To: Fred Mertz (#5)
#7. To: Fred Mertz (#3)
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
All live is precious, all love a gift and a joy.
#9. To: buckeroo (#8)
#10. To: buckeroo (#7)
"Only an ignorant PC Congress would chase out REAL men from the military based on this legislation."
#11. To: Fred Mertz (#3)
#12. To: hondo68 (#0)
“By ending 'Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,' no longer will our nation be denied the service of thousands of patriotic Americans forced to leave the military, despite years of exemplary performance, because they happen to be gay,” Obama said in a statement. “And no longer will many thousands more be asked to live a lie in order to serve the country they love.”
#13. To: continental op (#1)
I expect to see a lot of generals and colonels coming out of teh closet
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
So I adopted the girls who are very gentile Marshall Farms ferrets to be with him.
#15. To: buckeroo (#7)
Only an ignorant PC Congress would chase out REAL men from the military based on this legislation.
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
Only an ignorant bigot would socially lynch important people out of the military who have important skills like being a translator, a scarce medical worker, or any other military occupational specialty we are short of to the point it hurts the mission.
#17. To: buckeroo, All (#8)
All live is precious, all love a gift and a joy.
#18. To: sneakypete (#16)
I flat out state that NO homosexual,open or in the closet,should EVER served in a combat command position.
#19. To: sneakypete, Ferret Mike (#16)
Now,let's interject a little reality into the "bunnies and sunflowers" viewpoint.
#20. To: mcgowanjm (#18)
#21. To: mcgowanjm (#18)
Sound just like a Confederate Officer with blacks and women.
#22. To: continental op (#20)
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)
#24. To: sneakypete (#16)
...soon there will be demands and lawsuits demanding females be given these command decisions.
#25. To: lucysmom (#24)
there will be demands and lawsuits demanding females be given these command decisions
Joan of Arc's military career comes to an end, by burning at the stake.
#26. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#12)
#27. To: lucysmom (#24)
...soon there will be demands and lawsuits demanding females be given these command decisions.
#28. To: Mad Dog (#26)
#29. To: sneakypete (#28)
Not trying to piss you off again,but it seems like to me the Navy has always been the most political branch of the military. They are also the most uptight and anal about ruling from the top down and covering their asses. A young Navy officer that makes a mistake is almost always given the boot unless he has a name like McCain and comes from "royalty". Just look at what they did to all those Naval officers below field grade that were at the Tailhook convention.
#30. To: sneakypete (#21)
Based on your vast military experience,Buckwheat?
#31. To: All (#30)
#32. To: mcgowanjm (#30)
If I haven't been in the Middle of Stalingrad I have no idea.
#33. To: sneakypete, All (#32)
(Edited)
LOL! Ah feal yore pain,Genrul Marx!
#34. To: mctoejam aka mcgowanjm, sneakypete (#30)
Based on your vast military experience,Buckwheat?
#35. To: mctoejam aka mcgowanjm, ALL (#31)
#36. To: m, ctoejam aka mcgowanjm (#33)
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