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Title: Will tea partiers protest the $858 billion tax deal?
Source: AJC
URL Source: http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker ... /?cxntfid=blogs_cynthia_tucker
Published: Dec 10, 2010
Author: Cynthia Tucker
Post Date: 2010-12-10 16:52:41 by go65
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Views: 66208
Comments: 104

During the election season, tea party activists declared deficit-reduction one of their primary goals. The nation is swimming in red ink, they noted, posing a huge burden for generations to come. So I’m waiting for those tea party activists to mount a huge protest over the tax deal between President Obama and Republicans. It is expected to cost $858 billion over ten years.

Where’s that tea party protest? Are they headed to Washington to denounce the deal, as they did repeatedly with the health care plan — which will lower the deficit over ten years?

Yes, there are other things in the deal besides tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. But extending the tax cuts for all Americans for two years cost $675.2 billion. Extending them for the richest Americans — along with generous cuts to the estate tax — will cost about $50 billion over two years. Are the tea partiers at all concerned about that?

Then were the ethanol subsidies, which most reasonable people agree are a spectacular waste of government resources — a giveaway to corn farmers. But farm state legislators wanted ethanol subsides included in the package, and they are there.

Any day now, I’m sure, tea partiers will gather on the Mall to protest this big addition to the national deficit. Any of you have your bags packed for the party?

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#2. To: All (#0)

Will tea partiers protest the $858 billion tax deal?

Nah, they are too busy celebrating:

Boehner and company OWNED Owe-bama last night.

Badeye posted on 2010-12-07 11:56:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

and

Must be killing you this morning to learn Owe-bama agrees with me, not you.

Have a nice day....(laughing)

Badeye posted on 2010-12-07 10:09:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

the first deal the GOP leadership strikes with Obama is to add nearly $900 billion to the deficit over two years.

go65  posted on  2010-12-10   16:57:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: go65 (#2)

the first deal the GOP leadership strikes with Obama is to add nearly $900 billion to the deficit over two years.

The only thing that adds to the deficit is spending. The extension to the unemployment insurance Obama insisted on does not amount to additional $900 billion than they politicians were already planning on spending.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-12-10   16:59:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler (#4)

The only thing that adds to the deficit is spending.

Lowering taxes adds to the deficit.

go65  posted on  2010-12-10   17:10:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: go65 (#5)

Lowering taxes adds to the deficit.

You can't have a deficit if you don't spend money.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-12-10   17:13:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: jwpegler (#6)

You can't have a deficit if you don't spend money.

Fair enough, but if you lower taxes without cutting spending, you increase the deficit, as this bill will do by $858 billion over 2 years.

go65  posted on  2010-12-10   17:18:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: go65 (#7) (Edited)

but if you lower taxes without cutting spending, you increase the deficit

Yes, so they need to cut spending.

Again, if Obama were smart he would dump his own deficit commission's report right into Boehner's lap and tell him to pass it.

The commission's recommendations further cuts margin tax rates (to a top rate of 23% for individuals and 25% for businesses) while closing tax loop holes. They also cut a bunch of spending, but not enough.

I'm starting to think that Obama is smart enough to do it. We'll see.

If the GOP were smart, they would agree to implement it and add more spending cuts, especially to Obamacare.

Then we would have change that I can believe in.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-12-10   18:16:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: jwpegler (#8)

Yes, so they need to cut spending.

Except that Ireland showed that if you cut spending in a recession, the end result is further economic stagnation, meaning lower tax revenues, meaning right back to where you started.

How many times has California cut spending in the last couple of years? Is it helping?

I'm all for cutting spending once the economy is growing, just not now.

go65  posted on  2010-12-10   22:15:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: go65 (#12) (Edited)

Except that Ireland showed that if you cut spending in a recession, the end result is further economic stagnation, meaning lower tax revenues, meaning right back to where you started.

Ireland's troubles are very similar to ours. Their crash was caused by reckless borrowing and lending. Irish households have the second highest debt burden in the world. The government ran up a huge debt because of their profligate spending. Ireland's credit rating has plummeted. They have no choice but to cut spending.

The only thing that has temporarily saved us is that the dollar is still the world's reserve currency. That won't last long unless the U.S. government cuts spending as well.

How many times has California cut spending in the last couple of years? Is it helping?

They haven't cut spending enough. Their taxes are too high. Businesses are fleeing the state. California needs to shut down all non-essential programs, departments, and services, fire half of the bureaucracy, replace the lavish pensions for the remaining bureaucrats with 401Ks, and cut their income tax rates in half. Otherwise, they will continue to lose businesses to Washington, Idaho, Oregon, Arizona, Texas and China.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-12-11   13:34:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: jwpegler (#30)

Otherwise, they will continue to lose businesses to Washington, Idaho, Oregon, Arizona, Texas and China.

Nevada has no income tax; not for individuals and not for corporations. Why did you leave Nevada off your short list?

lucysmom  posted on  2010-12-11   16:38:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#32)

Why did you leave Nevada off your short list?

Over the last couple of decades, Los Vegas was one of the fastest growing cities in the country. But it was mostly the result of uneducated, unskilled people moving into the state to take menial jobs in the tourist industry.

Nevada doesn't have a strong skill base to support the high tech companies that are moving out of California. The states I mentioned do.

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#41. To: jwpegler (#39)

Nevada doesn't have a strong skill base to support the high tech companies that are moving out of California. The states I mentioned do.

With such a favorable tax situation, and the difference between housing costs in California and Nevada, why don't companies move to Nevada and bring their employees with them?

Nevada's high school dropout rate has increased 21% since 2002 and now has a 51% graduation rate, so the local skill thing ain't likely to improve anytime soon.

Oregon ranks 14th in the "State Business Tax Climate Index" while Nevada ranks 4th.

www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/52.html

Once upon a time Casinos were considered good employers providing well paying jobs, however working conditions and real wages have been declining since the 80s.

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