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Title: Death Tax Deal Breaker?
Source: Wall Street Journal
URL Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100 ... 533540.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Published: Dec 10, 2010
Author: WSJ
Post Date: 2010-12-10 13:16:14 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 2713
Comments: 10

Conservative opponents of the tax deal argue that it's better to start over in January with a new GOP House majority.

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One reason for the House Democratic revolt against the tax deal is the 35% death tax provision. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said that the liberal caucus, which is interchangeable with the Democratic caucus, wants a 45% or 55% rate.

Meanwhile, conservatives are rebelling against the tax compromise for the opposite reason. They want a much lower rate, and some are insisting on total abolition. The American Family Business Institute, a leading opponent of the estate tax, said Wednesday that a rate of 35% is unacceptable. According to the group's president, Dick Patten, "even a 35% rate loses nearly one million jobs."

John Fund says House Democrats are trying to rewrite President Obama's deal and raise the death tax rate.

Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina has announced that he will vote against the bill, in part because the death tax "is raised from zero to 35%." And there may be as many as 30 to 35 House Republicans who vote "no" because of the death tax revival and other concerns, according to House whip calculations.

A coalition of conservative leaders led by Brent Bozell, head of the For America grassroots group, issued a press release Thursday that criticized "the revival of the death tax and a costly extension of unemployment insurance that is still not paid for." His group is urging a "no" vote on the deal.

Republican Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona orchestrated the compromise on the death tax, which is zero today but rises to 55% next year if Congress doesn't act. "This is the best deal we could get on the death tax with this president," said a Senate aide. "The alternative was to go to 55%."

Mr. Bozell and other conservative opponents of the tax deal argue that it's better to start over in January with a new GOP majority in the House. If Nancy Pelosi and her minions have their way, Mr. Bozell's wish may come true.

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#3. To: go65 (#0)

One reason for the House Democratic revolt against the tax deal is the 35% death tax provision. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said that the liberal caucus, which is interchangeable with the Democratic caucus, wants a 45% or 55% rate.

All three numbers demonstrate how crooked the politicians really are. People have already paid taxes on this money. The death tax is double taxation. It destroys family farms and family businesses.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that the left in America has to be completely destroyed.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-12-10   17:03:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#3) (Edited)

All three numbers demonstrate how crooked the politicians really are. People have already paid taxes on this money. The death tax is double taxation. It destroys family farms and family businesses.

the argument for eliminating the estate tax is that it destroys the idea of a meritocracy by concentrating more and more wealth into fewer and fewer hands. We've reached a point in this country where after 20 years of a shrinking middle class, and an increasing share of the nations wealth concentrated into 5% of the population, that those who have most suffered from this trend are the loudest proponents of increasing it. I can't explain it. And, the fact of the matter is about 80 estates owed any tax in 2009, or .003% of all estates.

You keep arguing for infrastructure and education investments, but the Conservatives you seem to support keep arguing for more tax cuts for the wealthy and more defense spending at the "expense" of infrastructure and education.

go65  posted on  2010-12-10   17:08:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: go65 (#4) (Edited)

concentrating more and more wealth into fewer and fewer hands

LOL. Right. And how many trust fund babies use their concentrated wealth wisely? Almost none.

For the most part, the death tax penalizes first generation, moderately successful entrepreneurs and their families by forcing them to sell the family business when their parents die.

Great, here's what I'll agree to -- a tax on estates worth over $100 million. No tax on estates worth less. Take the money away from the Kennedy's, Rockefeller's, etc. Put these lazy ass third and forth generation kids to work. No problem with me.

Don't steal money from someone who busted their butt 12 to 14 hours a day their entire life to leave their kids a convenience store, restaurant, family farm, or an auto repair shop and make their kids sell the business just to pay the tax. That's both immoral and counter productive.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-12-10   17:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: jwpegler (#5)

For the most part, the death tax penalizes first generation, moderately successful entrepreneurs and their families by forcing them to sell the family business when their parents die.

Not where it's at now, with only .003% of estates being subject to it.

go65  posted on  2010-12-10   22:17:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: go65 (#6)

Not where it's at now, with only .003% of estates being subject to it.

This year, no one is subject to it. Next year, estates worth over $1 million will be taxed at 55%.

$1 million isn't squat. It's cost about $1.5 million on average to open a McDonald's.

55% of $500,000 = $275,000. Who has that kind of money laying around? So, you wind up having to sell the entire business just to pay the taxes.

It's immoral and counterproductive.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-12-11   13:41:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: jwpegler (#8)

his year, no one is subject to it. Next year, estates worth over $1 million will be taxed at 55%.

$1 million isn't squat. It's cost about $1.5 million on average to open a McDonald's.

the first $1 million is exempt from the tax, is it not?

go65  posted on  2010-12-11   18:59:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#10. To: go65 (#9) (Edited)

the first $1 million is exempt from the tax, is it not?

Since you didn't comprehend it, let me repeat it again.

Dad dies and leaves you a McDonalds. The government says its worth $1,500,000 and taxes you $275,000 = ($1,500,000 - $1,000,000) * .55. You don't have $275,000 so you have to sell the entire business to pay the stinking government. They government has just ruined your family business that your family has worked their entire lives to build.

It's immoral and counter productive.

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