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Obama Wars Title: Criminals or Enemy Combatants -- Obama Can't Keep Dodging In Terror Debate Criminals or Enemy Combatants -- Obama Can't Keep Dodging In Terror Debate By Judith Miller Published November 18, 2010 | FoxNews.com The verdict in the government’s case against Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, the first Guantanamo Bay detainee to be tried in Federal criminal court, is a stunner. It is hugely important. It is already provoking impassioned debate. And it is a decision that only a lawyer could love. Finally, the outcome – a conviction on one of some 285 counts of murder and conspiracy -- should be both deeply reassuring and disturbing to all of us. First, the good news (if one can use that term to describe any aspect of this terrible ordeal): New York is still standing. Let’s not forget that some terrorism experts warned that trying Ghailani in open civilian court herein New York would prompt terrorists to target the courthouse and create mayhem to punish Gotham for putting one of their own on trial. But nothing happened. Zip. Nadda. Trying Ghailani here did not make the city any more of a terrorist target than it already is. Second, the jury of six men and six women, deliberating not far from the site of the World Trade Center, rendered American justice, as presiding U.S. District Court Lewis A. Kaplan said, “calmly, deliberately, and fairly” and with “fidelity to the constitution.” These were “ordinary people, people who are not beholden to any government, not even ours,” he said in praise of the jury. Writing in Mother Jones, Karen Greenberg, head of the Center on Law and Security at New York University, argued that “for the first time” in such a high-profile terrorism case, “a jury had not been cowed by the notion that to be accused of terrorism is tantamount to being guilty.” The jury, she said, “did exactly what they were instructed to do” – weigh the evidence, consider the law, and decide the case “on the merits.” But this is where the alleged great victory for the rule of law gets murky. After five days of often troubled deliberations – with one juror holding out against the rest -- the jury apparently concluded as his lawyers alleged, that the now 36-year-old Ghailani was “duped” into the conspiracy -- buying a truck and components for the explosives, storing a detonator at home, and letting his cellphone be the “operational” phone prior to the attacks that killed 224 people and maimed thousands in 1998 at the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Ghailani was convicted of only one of the 285 charges against him –conspiring to destroy U.S. buildings. He was acquitted of 284 counts of murder or conspiring to murder the 224 people in the buildings. How can that be? Even some legal eagles found this puzzling. Writing in his blog “Lawfare,” terrorism legal expert Robert Chesney said it was “exceedingly hard to understand how a jury could conclude” that Ghailani conspired to bomb the embassy in question yet not also to kill the “inevitable victims of the bombing.” Did the jury think that Ghailani knew there was a plan was to bomb the embassy, but thought that the attack would be so small that it would not kill anyone? The verdict, he adds, “smacks of a compromise.” Andrew C. McCarthy, who prosecuted the 1993 bombers of the World Trade Center, said the compromise undoubtedly reflected the presence of one “terrible” juror. “In exchange for the holdout’s agreement to convict on one important charge, the other jurors apparently agreed to acquit on all the rest. And like most compromise verdicts, it is irrational,” he wrote today for National Review Online. We don’t know what was on the jurors’ minds, (though this being America, we will probably soon find out, despite the fact that jurors are supposed to be anonymous, presumably for their own protection). But there seems little doubt that the verdict was deeply affected by the prosecutors’ and judge’s decision to withhold crucial evidence from the jurors. Early on in the case, the prosecutors chose not to present what prosecutors called Ghailani’s “confession” at Guantanamo in 2007 about his role in the attack. In the 52-page statement, Ghailani said that while he was never specifically told about the plot, he realized that the embassy would be hit “by putting the pieces of the puzzle together.” He also acknowledged that he could have “saved many lives” if he had warned anyone.” He did not do so, he told interrogators, because “he thought of himself as being involved” and felt he was as guilty as Al Qaeda’s planners themselves. “He was “really bothered” by the number of Africans killed in Tanzania, the interrogation notes say, but not by the Americans who died there. The prosecutors chose not to introduce the statement, which they claim Ghailani gave voluntarily, because his defense attorneys argued that the statements had been coerced and were hence inadmissible. Nor did the jury have the testimony of witness Hussein Abebe. He would have told them that he had sold Ghailani the explosives for the strike. So presumably, Ghailani knew how forceful the explosion would be. But Judge Kaplan barred his testimony because the Bush Administration had learned of Abebe’s identity not through legal interrogation, but by torturing Ghailani in 2004 while in C.I.A. custody. While national security hardliners argue that the judge’s ruling shows why Ghailani should have been tried in a military commission, Chesney and Benjamin Wittes, neither a national security wimp, insist that a military court would undoubtedly have made the same call. Torture is wrong. It is also illegal. The United States cannot begin accepting evidence secured in that way, be it in a civilian or military panel. Despite the absence of this evidence, Ghailani, who has already been imprisoned without charges for six years, including for two years at a CIA "black site," is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison. Preet Bharara, the US. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, said that his office would seek the maximum penalty – a life sentence, in this case, a mandatory minimum term of 20 years in jail. Fear not: There is no chance that Ghailani will be buying a halal Sabrett’s hot dog on the streets of New York City anytime soon. But this case seems destined to further enflame the already fierce debate about whether and where such terrorism suspects should be held and brought to justice. It also seems likely to further undermine the Obama administration’s dogged determination to try already accused terrorists, even 9/11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, in civilian court. Even those who oppose such civilian trials in terrorism cases should be deeply troubled by the administration’s logic, and I use that word loosely. Long before the trial began, Attorney General Eric Holder indicated that even if Ghailani were acquitted on counts of an indictment, the government could continue to hold him an enemy combatant under the “law of war.” Judge Kaplan referred to that ability in his decision not to permit the government to call Abebe as a witness. If that is so, why did the administration go to the time, trouble and expense of staging this sham of a trial in New York? Knowing that Ghailani would most probably be incarcerated forever regardless of the civilian trial’s outcome, argued Glenn Greenwald, a legal analyst writing in Salon, made the trial in New York “more ‘show trial’ than ‘showcase’” for the government’s effort to continue trying terrorism cases in civilian court. The Obama administration should not be permitted to have it both ways. It is time for the president to decide whether the Ghailanis of the world are particularly pernicious crooks and criminals or rather, enemy combatants involved in a war against the United States and its allies. If they are merely criminals – never mind that Ghailani and KSM are not American citizens and were not arrested on American soil -- then civilian courts should decide their fate, unless as Wittes and others have argued, the government establishes a new civilian national security court for people specifically accused of terrorism. If they are not American citizens or arrested on American soil, but enemy combatants involved in a war, justice should be rendered by military commissions either as swiftly as possible, or when this war against terrorism is declared over. Dodging a broader decision about the nature of the conflict we have been waging threatens not only to further inflame the debate about how to try alleged terrorists, but also to make a mockery of what was perhaps an unsatisfying, but acceptable outcome in the Ghailani case. Judith Miller is a writer, Manhattan Institute scholar and Fox News contributor
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FIRST. J Miller is a War Criminal goebbels jr for her All Lies articles pre dating the Invasion of Iraq. See Judith Miller WMD 8D Next. Obama is a war criminal. He can murder anyone. Americans anyone. And answer to no one. Everything else is second.
See Judith Miller WMD 8D Right. And every Presidential ticket via the DNC since 1992 was also lying about Iraq WMD's, in a vast conspiracy that involved Russia, China, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, France, Britian, Germany, Japan, Canada, Spain, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Italy, Sicily, Greece, Syria, Iran, Mexico, Brazil, Columbia, Argentina, Dick Durbin, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Charlie Rangle, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Charlie Schumer...the shear size and scope of this 'conspiracy' is STAGGERING. (sarcasm setting: EXTREME) If you have anything on the topic, I'd love to see it. If you just have mindless rants like the above, please don't waste my time. Thanks in advance.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Judith Miller and her lying about WMDS? Lies that have yet to have repercussions for same? www.google.com/search?ie=...+and+her+lying+about+WMDS per usual, you'll have to scroll past the First few Historical Revision Articles to get to the truth of the matter. Happy Reading! or not. LMFAO 8D
It is now critical to note a further implication of this murderous method of dealing with others. Just as it is not possible for an individual to restrict what constitutes a fundamental psychological methodology to only one area of his life, so a ruling class will not employ one approach in foreign policy while dealing with matters of domestic politics in a radically different manner. In any case, the U.S. ruling class never had such a desire: in one way or another, other nations would be made to submit to the demands of the U.S. government -- and the same is true for U.S. citizens. The citizens of America will do exactly as the ruling class demands -- or else. As far as the ruling class is concerned, you have as little reason to complain as the murdered Iraqis do: the ruling class only wishes to improve your life. The ruling class acts only on your behalf, and "for your own good." You now witness these tactics of intimidation and of the most transparently, viciously manipulative fear-mongering deployed by almost every member of the ruling class in connection with the bailout bill. ... The words speak for themselves, but the purpose of these pronouncements should be emphasized: our rulers do not want to scare you to death, although your death would hardly approach a matter of any serious concern for them. While your death is not (necessarily) required, your obedience is. You will obey them -- or else.
If you have anything on the topic, I'd love to see it. Judith Miller and her lying about WMDS? Lies that have yet to have repercussions for same? So...every Presidential ticket since 1992 lied about Iraq and WMDS? Riiight.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Riiight. So every POTUS, All 3 of them, lied their ass off. "Was it worth the deaths of 500 000 Iraqi chidren?" Sec of State Madeline Albright: "Yes. Yes, it was."
See The Big Lie repeated often enough. See Afghans don't know why the US is in Afghanistan Reuters AlertNet - Few Afghans know reason for war, new study shows 11 attacks on the United States and don't know they precipitated the foreign ... U.S.-backed Afghan forces toppled the Islamist Taliban ... www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SGE6AI0FK.htm
So everyone of them 'lied' about Iraq? Thats what YOU believe?
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Here's a short version on how it works. Selling your Soul 101: More important, all too many Americans have yet to confront the moral implications of invading and occupying Iraq. U.S. officials continue to exhort the American people to judge the war and occupation on whether it proves to be "successful" in establishing "stability." and "democracy" in Iraq. If so, the idea will be that the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis, including countless Iraqi children, will have been worth it. It would be difficult to find a more morally repugnant position than that." You don't immediately resign your position. Like when you find out your POTUS tortures/kills out of hand. YOU, become complicit in the crime.
He'll never get that in his pea brain.
Quiet as a church on monday here. Hello? Anyone out there? 8D
Squeak squeak...
I think it's just you and me here this am., Fred. The Inmates are running the Asylum. 8D
We got an inch of snow last night but the roads are clear. Other than a bit of grocery shopping - beans and rice, etc. - I'll avoid the shopping centers, but I'll drive by and see if they're busy. One of our Dollar stores was robbed at gunpoint the other night. A vehicle was stolen from a church parking lot during church service. Bad signs.
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