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Title: George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/ ... y&utm_term=Daily+Brief#s181208
Published: Nov 12, 2010
Author: Ryan Grim
Post Date: 2010-11-12 23:41:32 by go65
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Views: 41667
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When Crown Publishing inked a deal with George W. Bush for his memoirs, the publisher knew it wasn't getting Faulkner. But the book, at least, promises "gripping, never-before-heard detail" about the former president's key decisions, offering to bring readers "aboard Air Force One on 9/11, in the hours after America's most devastating attack since Pearl Harbor; at the head of the table in the Situation Room in the moments before launching the war in Iraq," and other undisclosed and weighty locations.

Crown also got a mash-up of worn-out anecdotes from previously published memoirs written by his subordinates, from which Bush lifts quotes word for word, passing them off as his own recollections. He took equal license in lifting from nonfiction books about his presidency or newspaper or magazine articles from the time. Far from shedding light on how the president approached the crucial "decision points" of his presidency, the clip jobs illuminate something shallower and less surprising about Bush's character: He's too lazy to write his own memoir.

Bush, on his book tour, makes much of the fact that he largely wrote the book himself, guffawing that critics who suspected he didn't know how to read are now getting a comeuppance. Not only does Bush know how to read, it turns out, he knows how to Google, too. Or his assistant does. Bush notes in his acknowledgments that "[m]uch of the research for this book was conducted by the brilliant and tireless Peter Rough. Peter spent the past 18 months digging through archives, searching the internet[s], and sifting through reams of paper." Bush also collaborated on the book with his former speechwriter, Christopher Michel.

Many of Bush's literary misdemeanors exemplify pedestrian sloth, but others are higher crimes against the craft of memoir. In one prime instance, Bush relates a poignant meeting between Afghan President Hamid Karzai and a Tajik warlord on Karzai's Inauguration Day. It's the kind of scene that offers a glimpse of a hopeful future for the beleaguered nation. Witnessing such an exchange could color a president's outlook, could explain perhaps Bush's more optimistic outlook and give insight into his future decisions. Except Bush didn't witness it. Because he wasn't at Karzai's inauguration.

His absence doesn't stop Bush from relating this anecdote: "When Karzai arrived in Kabul for his inauguration on December 22 - 102 days after 9/11 - several Northern Alliance leaders and their bodyguards greeted him at an airport. As Karzai walked across the tarmac alone, a stunned Tajik warlord asked where all his men were. Karzai, responded, 'Why, General, you are my men. All of you who are Afghans are my men.'"

That meeting would sound familiar to Ahmed Rashid, author of "The Mess in Afghanistan", who wrote in the New York Review of Books: "At the airport to receive [Karzai] was the warlord General Mohammad Fahim, a Tajik from the Panjshir Valley .... As the two men shook hands on the tarmac, Fahim looked confused. 'Where are your men?' he asked. Karzai turned to him in his disarmingly gentle manner of speaking. 'Why General," he replied, "you are my men--all of you are Afghans and are my men.'"

Bush's lifting of the anecdote, while disappointing on a literary level, does raise the intriguing possibility that Bush actually read Rashid's article. Doubtful. It was excerpted in the Googleable free intro to his NYRB story. (Still, thinking of Bush browsing the NYRB's website almost makes it worthwhile.)

In a separate case of scene fabrication, though, Bush writes of a comment made by his rival John McCain as if it was said to him directly. "The surge gave [McCain] a chance to create distance between us, but he didn't take it. He had been a longtime advocate of more troops in Iraq, and he supported the new strategy wholeheartedly. "I cannot guarantee success," he said, "But I can guarantee failure if we don't adopt this new strategy." A dramatic and untold coming-together of longtime rivals? Well, not so much. It comes straight from a Washington Post story. McCain was talking to reporters, not to Bush.

In most instances of Bush's literary swiping, he was at least present for the scene. But the point of a memoir is that it is the author's version of events. Bush's book is a collection of other people's versions of events. But that's not what Bush promises readers. "Decision Points is based primarily on my recollections. With help from researchers, I have confirmed my account with government documents, personal interviews, news reports, and other sources, some of which remain classified," he offers. Bush, in his memoir, confesses to authorizing waterboarding, which is a war crime, so the lifting of a few passages might seem like a minor infraction. But Bush's laziness undermines the historical value of the memoir. Bush "recollects" - in a more literal sense of the term - quotes by pulling his and others verbatim from other books, calling into question what he genuinely remembers from the time and casting doubt on any conclusions he draws about what his mindset was at the time.

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In a final irony, Bush appears to draw heavily from several of Bob Woodward's books and also from Robert Draper's "Dead Certain". The Bush White House called the books' accuracy into question when they were initially published.

The similarities between the way Bush recollects his and other quotes may be a case of remarkable random chance or evidence that he and his deputies were in an almost supernatural sync. If so, he essentially shares a brain with General Tommy Franks.

Bush writes: "Tommy told the national security team that he was working to apply the same concept of a light footprint to Iraq... 'If we have multiple, highly skilled Special Operations forces identifying targets for precision-guided munitions, we will need fewer conventional grounds forces,' he said. 'That's an important lesson learned from Afghanistan.' I had a lot of concerns. ... I asked the team to keep working on the plan. 'We should remain optimistic that diplomacy and international pressure will succeed in disarming the regime,' I said at the end of the meeting. 'But we cannot allow weapons of mass destruction to fall into the hands of terrorists. I will not allow that to happen.'"

Franks, in his memoir American Soldier, writes: "'For example, if we have multiple, highly skilled Special Operations forces identifying targets for precision-guided munitions, we will need fewer conventional ground forces. That's an important lesson learned from Afghanistan.' President Bush's questions continued throughout the briefing.... Before the VTC ended, President Bush addressed us all. 'We should remain optimistic that diplomacy and international pressure will succeed in disarming the regime.' ... The President paused. 'Protecting the security of the United States is my responsibility,' he continued. 'But we cannot allow weapons of mass destruction to fall into the hands of terrorists.' He shook his head. 'I will not allow that to happen.'"

A Crown official rejected the suggestion that Bush had done anything inappropriate, suggesting that the similarities speak to its inherent accuracy. The editor of Bush's book wasn't immediately able to comment.

But if you already bought Bush's book thinking you were getting only his own thoughts, you haven't entirely wasted your money. Finding lifted passages in Bush's book is like an Easter egg hunt. Look for passages with a number of quotes back to back and then slap the passage into Google Books or plagiarism detection software you might have access to. The slideshow below shows what HuffPost has found so far. If you find any more, send the passage to ryan@huffingtonpost.com and we'll verify it and add it to the list.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes, badeye, lucysmom, fred mertz, war, sneakypete, brian s, skip intro (#0)

His absence doesn't stop Bush from relating this anecdote: "When Karzai arrived in Kabul for his inauguration on December 22 - 102 days after 9/11 - several Northern Alliance leaders and their bodyguards greeted him at an airport. As Karzai walked across the tarmac alone, a stunned Tajik warlord asked where all his men were. Karzai, responded, 'Why, General, you are my men. All of you who are Afghans are my men.'"

That meeting would sound familiar to Ahmed Rashid, author of "The Mess in Afghanistan", who wrote in the New York Review of Books: "At the airport to receive [Karzai] was the warlord General Mohammad Fahim, a Tajik from the Panjshir Valley .... As the two men shook hands on the tarmac, Fahim looked confused. 'Where are your men?' he asked. Karzai turned to him in his disarmingly gentle manner of speaking. 'Why General," he replied, "you are my men--all of you are Afghans and are my men.'"

No gnu's head is going to explode.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-11-12   23:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#0)

The slideshow below shows what HuffPost has found so far.

Ryan Grim..After grad school, I got a job with the Marijuana Policy Project, an advocacy group that wants to see marijuana legalized- or, in their focus- group-tested language, "taxed and regulated." I was one of the people writing those MoveOn-style e-mails urging folks to contact this legislator or write a letter to that paper or whatever.

What a fookin joke!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-13   3:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65 (#0)

Give him a break. What do you expect when you ask a blackout drinker and born cretin to write his memories,other than a "Is it real or is it Memorex" moment?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-13   8:40:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: go65 (#1)

No gnu's head is going to explode.

So would yours if you were honest enough to admit that as stupid as Boy Jorge is,he is still smarter than Barry Soetoro.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-13   8:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

So would yours if you were honest enough to admit that as stupid as Boy Jorge is,he is still smarter than Barry Soetoro.

Do you mean George is smarter or those who do George's thinking are smarter?

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-11-13   10:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: lucysmom (#5)

Do you mean George is smarter or those who do George's thinking are smarter?

Both.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-13   10:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#6)

Both.

How would you know?

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-11-13   10:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lucysmom (#7)

Both.

How would you know?

It's so obvious even Stevie Wonder has to look away to keep from hurting his eyes.

Barry Soetoro is so incompetent and unqualified he makes Boy Jorge look like George Washington by comparison.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-13   13:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: go65 (#0)

Started reading it Saturday. Its a well written book, and not your average Presidential Biography, although it does touch on the basics in that regard.

Selecting Huff Puff for this is simply laughable. But par for the course I suppose.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-15   11:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#3)

Give him a break. What do you expect when you ask a blackout drinker and born cretin to write his memories,other than a "Is it real or is it Memorex" moment?

He's much more accomplished than you, petey. Guess that thought hasn't occured to you, huh?

(laughing)

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-15   11:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Badeye (#10)

He's much more accomplished than you, petey.

Well,his major accomplishment came early. He was born into it.

If he hadn't been born into a wealthy and politically-connected family he would be the assistant manager at a Dunkin Donuts somewhere.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-15   17:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#8)

It's so obvious even Stevie Wonder has to look away to keep from hurting his eyes.

Barry Soetoro is so incompetent and unqualified he makes Boy Jorge look like George Washington by comparison.

Obama may be a crappy leader, and he is.

But he isn't stupid. Magna Cum Laude at Harvard Law is extremely impressive. Law school exams are blindly graded and are strictly timed. So it's not like some bullshit philosophy exam.

But smart isn't sufficient for a good leader.

Rhino  posted on  2010-11-15   18:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Rhino (#12)

Magna Cum Laude at Harvard Law is extremely impressive.

Not if you are a AA student,and Harvard Law School wants to show how "evolved" they are.

What were his grades? Were are the papers he wrote?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-15   19:42:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete, Rino (#13)

Barry Soetoro is so incompetent and unqualified he makes Boy Jorge look like George Washington by comparison.

Magna Cum Laude at Harvard Law is extremely impressive.

Not if you are a AA student,and Harvard Law School wants to show how "evolved" they are.

"If our President had the slightest sense of irony, he might have paused to ask himself, "Wait a minute. How did I get into Yale?" It wasn't because of any academic achievement: his high school record was ordinary. It wasn't because of his life experience--prosperous family, fancy prep school--which was all too familiar at Yale. It wasn't his SAT scores: 566 verbal and 640 math.

They may not have had an explicit point system at Yale in 1964, but Bush clearly got in because of affirmative action. Affirmative action for the son and grandson of alumni. Affirmative action for a member of a politically influential family. Affirmative action for a boy from a fancy prep school. These forms of affirmative action still go on.

The Wall Street Journal reported last week that Harvard accepts 40% of applicants who are children of alumni but only 11% of applicants generally... George W. Bush, in fact, may be the most spectacular affirmative-action success story of all time".

www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLIT...0/timep.affirm.action.tm/

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-11-15   22:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#13)

Not if you are a AA student,and Harvard Law School wants to show how "evolved" they are.

What were his grades? Were are the papers he wrote?

823 of Volume 103 of the Harvard Law Review is supposed to be his.

Law grading is blind, the professor doesn't see your name when they grade. The Law Review Editor job might be AA, and he almost without a doubt got in via AA, but he finished near the top of his class.

He is smart, but smart doesn't make one wise.

Rhino  posted on  2010-11-15   22:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lucysmom, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#14)

They may not have had an explicit point system at Yale in 1964, but Bush clearly got in because of affirmative action. Affirmative action for the son and grandson of alumni. Affirmative action for a member of a politically influential family. Affirmative action for a boy from a fancy prep school. These forms of affirmative action still go on.

No question about it.

The only question is why does this outrage you when it is a alleged Republican,but are as quiet as death about Barry Soetoro,the Kennedy's,Biden's,Gores,Clintons,etc,etc,etc?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-15   23:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Rhino (#15)

823 of Volume 103 of the Harvard Law Review is supposed to be his.

Law grading is blind, the professor doesn't see your name when they grade. The Law Review Editor job might be AA, and he almost without a doubt got in via AA, but he finished near the top of his class.

And you know this based on what,he told you?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-15   23:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sneakypete (#16)

The only question is why does this outrage you when it is a alleged Republican,but are as quiet as death about Barry Soetoro,the Kennedy's,Biden's,Gores,Clintons,etc,etc,etc?

Who says I'm outraged?

I think Bill Clinton had to make it on his own merit. Too white for AA, and family too low on the totem pole for a legacy admission.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-11-16   0:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#17)

And you know this based on what,he told you?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/316vvyov.asp

The weekly standard seems to back it up. It says he graduated manga cum laude. That's probably around 10-15%.

Whether Obama got in because of AA or not, he sure as hell beat a lot of people who got in without it.

It's possible he didn't get in via AA. Harvard is the second best law school in the country, and probably the best for politics because of the name recognition. While most black people at Harvard law got a boost in admissions some of them would get in regardless.

Rhino  posted on  2010-11-16   0:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lucysmom (#18)

I think Bill Clinton had to make it on his own merit. Too white for AA, and family too low on the totem pole for a legacy admission.

You mean the boy with the Hot Spring whore that suddenly married the city Buick dealer after getting pregnant by someone else?

The son of the Hot Springs Ho that used to "work as a housekeeper" for old man Joe Kennedy when he was in Hot Springs,drinking,gambling,and chasing Hos?

The son of the Hot Springs Ho that got selected as Arkansas "Boy's Governor" at age 13 and sent to DC to meet with JFK?

The son of the Hot Springs Ho that had Senator William Fulbright as his rabbi,and had the Ark NG create a special slot for him during the VN war so he wouldn't be drafted despite there being a waiting list for people to join?

The son of the Hot Springs Ho that got a job working for Fulbright on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee handing Top Secret National Defense secrets despite NOT having a security clearance the summer before he went to the USSR back when only US communists were allowed visas to go there?

The son of the Hot Springs Ho that had Fulbright get him a Rhodes Scholarship to further help him avoid the draft?

The son of the Hot Springs Ho that never had a private job in his life,but walked right into the Ark AG office after graduating from law school at Yale?

THAT son of the Hot Springs Ho that had no connections?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-16   5:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rhino (#19)

The weekly standard seems to back it up. It says he graduated manga cum laude. That's probably around 10-15%.

ROFLMAO!

Uhhhhh,how can you graduate at the top ten percent of your class based on your grades when there are no grades other than pass and fail?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-16   5:41:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#20)

THAT son of the Hot Springs Ho that had no connections?

So tell me, how does a son of "the Hot Springs Ho" get all them connections?

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-11-16   7:35:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#21)

Uhhhhh,how can you graduate at the top ten percent of your class based on your grades when there are no grades other than pass and fail?

Ask Bush, he went to Harvard after being rejected by University of Texas Law School.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-11-16   7:44:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lucysmom (#22)

So tell me, how does a son of "the Hot Springs Ho" get all them connections?

His daddy was Joe Kennedy.

It's pretty ironic that the ONLY child he fathered that wasn't a moron was a child that couldn't carry his name.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-16   7:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lucysmom (#23)

Uhhhhh,how can you graduate at the top ten percent of your class based on your grades when there are no grades other than pass and fail?

Ask Bush, he went to Harvard after being rejected by University of Texas Law School.

See? Even a leftist elitist like you knows that a Harvard degree is a "gimmee".

You just only see it when it's not a Dim that is being discussed.

BTW,I DID notice that you forgot (lol!) to answer the question,so I will ask it again. "How do you know he graduated in the top 10 percent of his class when nobody in that class received any grades other than pass or fail?".

Never mind. I already know. He got extra credits for being off-white.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-16   7:52:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#25)

See? Even a leftist elitist like you knows that a Harvard degree is a "gimmee".

"The presidential hopeful graduated magna cum laude from the Law School in 1991; his wife earned the degree three years earlier."

www.thecrimson.com/articl...ma-left-mark-on-hls-days/

Even Conservapedia doesn't dispute Obama's class rank.

"After working as a "community organizer" in New York City and Chicago, Illinois, Obama enrolled at Harvard Law School. He became a member of the Harvard Law Review, which uses racial quotas, in 1989. He was then elected by popular vote as its first African American president in 1990, a story that was immediately promoted in the New York Times.[60] He graduated magna cum laude with his J.D. in 1991, but did not serve in a clerkship. Federal clerkships are the typical post-graduate position for top law students. Obama has stated that his favorite professors in school were Marxists."

www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Hussein_Obama

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-11-16   9:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lucysmom (#26)

The presidential hopeful graduated magna cum laude from the Law School in 1991

Can you offer one bit of proof that other than someone just saying it? We know the dumbass has never released his grades.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-11-16   9:09:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#11)

He's much more accomplished than you, petey. Well,his major accomplishment came early. He was born into it.

Right. Degrees from Havard and Yale, two terms as Governor of Texas, and you want to claim he got there 'by birth'?

Thats pathetic, and says more about yourself than him.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-16   9:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Badeye (#28)

Right. Degrees from Havard and Yale, two terms as Governor of Texas, and you want to claim he got there 'by birth'?

What should be scary is to consider how Obama got there.

He certainly wasn't born to anything and he hasn't accomplished anything either.

What the hell is he DOING there?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-11-16   9:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: no gnu taxes (#29)

What should be scary is to consider how Obama got there.

He certainly wasn't born to anything and he hasn't accomplished anything either.

What the hell is he DOING there?

Short answre is 'fucking up by the numbers'.

The longer answer is this is what results from a co-opted mainstream media. I still shake my head when I think about Charlie Rose and and a former network anchor admitting BEFORE the election 'we don't know anything about this man'.

Actually, they knew plenty, they just choose to ignore it. The 22 years attending a black liberation theology church based on raw hatred, insane conspiracy theories, and overt racism being the biggest example.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-16   9:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lucysmom (#26)

He graduated magna cum laude with his J.D. in 1991,

Once again,Affirmative Action.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-16   9:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Badeye (#28)

Right. Degrees from Havard and Yale, two terms as Governor of Texas, and you want to claim he got there 'by birth'?

Yes,just like his goomba,Fat Teddy Kennedy.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-16   9:51:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: no gnu taxes (#29)

He certainly wasn't born to anything

Yeah,he was. He was born to dedicated Marxists,and raised to be a Marxist.

and he hasn't accomplished anything either.

Well,he accomplished getting away with claiming he was a African for years.

What the hell is he DOING there?

Simple. He is a simpleton that his globalist handlers know they can handle because he is a true-believer. He is the front man,nothing more. His handlers understood that America was desperate to elect a off-white president,and he is the one they had waiting in the wings.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-16   9:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Badeye (#30)

The 22 years attending a black liberation theology church based on raw hatred, insane conspiracy theories, and overt racism being the biggest example.

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"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-16   9:59:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete (#32)

Yes,just like his goomba,Fat Teddy Kennedy.

Wrong again. 1st Rule of Holes is now in effect.

You should stop digging.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-16   10:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#34)

Now thats on target.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-16   10:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: no gnu taxes (#27)

Can you offer one bit of proof that other than someone just saying it?

Not just anybody said it, The Crimson said it.

The Harvard Crimson, the nation's oldest continuously published daily college newspaper, was founded in 1873 and incorporated in 1967. The newspaper traces its history to the first issue of "The Magenta," published January 24, 1873, and changed its name to "The Crimson" to reflect the new color of the college on May 21, 1875. The Crimson has a rich tradition of journalistic integrity and counts among its ranks of editorship some of America's greatest journalists. The faces of Pulitzer Prize-winning Crimson editors line the walls of The Crimson. Past editors include John F. Kennedy '40. The name of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Class of 1904, is proudly engraved upon The Crimson's president's chair. One hundred and thirty-five years after its founding, having grown from a fortnightly newspaper to a daily, The Harvard Crimson continues to flourish with a strong body of undergraduate staff volunteers.

www.thecrimson.com/about/

Conservapedia said it too.

Conservapedia is a clean and concise resource for those seeking the truth. We do not allow liberal bias to deceive and distort here. Founded initially in November 2006 as a way to educate advanced, college-bound homeschoolers, this resource has grown into a marvelous source of information for students, adults and teachers alike. Our courses are ongoing and open to all here: Conservapedia:Index. We have received over 100 million page views!

A conservative approach to education is powerful and helpful in many ways. It equips students and adults to overcome inevitable obstacles, such as addiction and depression, and it guides learners to lasting insights. There are few, if any, conservative schools, and Conservapedia freely provides this unique approach for the benefit you and those around you...

...

No other encyclopedic resource on the internet is free of corruption by liberal untruths...

www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:About

When two such disparate sources agree, it is probably safe to assume the issue is settled.

That doesn't mean it has to be settled for you, however, so carry on.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2010-11-16   10:16:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#21)

ROFLMAO!

Uhhhhh,how can you graduate at the top ten percent of your class based on your grades when there are no grades other than pass and fail?

Harvard has grades. They recently moved to a LP/P/HP/S system, but even then there is a top of the class and a bottom. Back when Obama went they had an A/B/C/D/F system.

Rhino  posted on  2010-11-16   11:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Badeye (#35)

Wrong again. 1st Rule of Holes is now in effect.

You should stop digging.

Yes you are,and yes you should.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-16   16:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rhino (#38)

Harvard has grades.

Really? Name ONE person who attended Harvard that flunked out.

Fat Teddy doesn't count. He was booted out after being caught cheating.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-16   16:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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