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Title: Is Marco Rubio a "Natural Born Citizen"?
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URL Source: http://libertysflame.org
Published: Nov 12, 2010
Author: Me
Post Date: 2010-11-12 19:40:56 by Skip Intro
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There has been talk on other sites (hint: Goldi-Lox and LP) about the desirability of Marco Rubio running for president. Since these sites are also by and large "birther" sites, I want to know if Rubio is considered a "natural born citizen" and if so, why.
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#1. To: Skip Intro (#0)
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If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born. He needs to show his parents citizenship papers, and his long form birth certificate. All that's needed to prove hObama ineligible is a long form birth certificate from ANYWHERE showing that his father is Barack Obama. We already know that he was a British subject, that never became a US citizen.
You need to evaluate this according to the "birther" theory of law. In "real" law, being born on US soil is enough. "Birther" law is another thing entirely, and should be consistent with how it has been applied to Obama.
Dead wrong. Check out the 14th amendment.... subject to the jurisdiction thereof (US). Not British jurisdiction, or Kenyan.
I repeat, in "real" law being born on US soil is enough. Unless you have real proof otherwise - a Supreme Court decision, for example - let's stick to the original question.
let's stick to the original question. US vs Kim Wong Ark. SCOTUS deemed that he was a US citizen, but did NOT say that he was "a natural born US citizen". He was born is the US, but his parents were Chinese citizens. He never became president, or even a candidate. Mitt Romney is probably ineligible since his father George was Mexican born. It's unknown if or when he became a US citizen. He was governor of Michigan. Bill Richardson is ineligible since his mother was a Mexican citizen at the time of his birth. You can't leave law out of this, so it's relevant to the original question.
Getting back to the original question, this is from the US Dept of State Website: The Government of Cuba does not recognize the U.S. nationality of U.S. citizens who are Cuban-born or are the children of Cuban parents. These individuals will be treated solely as Cuban citizens and may be subject to a range of restrictions and obligations, including military service. So, is Rubio legally allowed to run for president, again using birther law as the guide?
So, is Rubio legally allowed to run for president, again using birther law as the guide? No, under Cuban law he's ineligible to be THEIR president, it seems. What has this to do with Rubio's eligibility to be US president? I cite a US Supreme court decision, and you cite Cuban law. What's up with that? Are you under the jurisdiction of Fidel, Raul? Sandra Day0 is retired from SCOTUS, so we need not consider Scottish law, or Cuban I dare say.
Because the birthers always cite Kenyan Law or British Law to try and make their case. I agree with you that only US law applies. Interestingly, the FReepers are having this same discussion about Jindal. You can read it here.
Jurisdiction means subject to the power of the courts. Basically anyone who can be sued or charged with a crime. So at the time it meant not Indians, or Diplomats. But even today, Indians are now under the jurisdiction so they count.
IMO her new found love of Rubio coincided with his recent suck-up trip to Israel. Probably not the ideal basis for choosing a US president.
US V. Wong doesn't decide whether he was a natural born citizen or not. I'm looking at the case in full in WestLaw. The majority opinion never says natural born. The dissent briefly mentions it, but it doesn't outright say he wasn't natural born.
he's not according to those who are arguing that Obama isn't natural born because his father wasn't a citizen.
Constitutional Parents Conjunction Location Conjunction Other Legal Reference Natural Born Citizen Both are U. S. Citizens AND Born in the U.S. mainland US Constitution U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, Minor v. Happersett Citizen Born to at least 1 US Citizen Parent OR Born in the U.S. mainland OR Naturalized US Constitution Native-Born Citizen Born in the U.S. mainland US Constitution Much much more... www.theobamafile.com/obamanaturalborn.htm If you want to be a competent "birther" you've got to study, study, study.
Careful hondope, there may be a Joo under your bed!
If true, he's ineligible. No big loss.
Who cares? Only a CT tard like you, would worry about such nonsense.
Why you do, hondope. You openly displayed your concern about Rubio making a trip to Israel? Can you provide a link where you display similar concern for Obama visiting a muslim country?
What a fake you are yukon. Why should hondo68 waste time on obama. Everyone knows what he is. hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction that can DEFEAT obama, and you attack him. If there's anyone here defending obama and the "one party", it's you yukon.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
A lie. I expressed the opinion that that's not the best basis for choosing a president. Israel is way down on my list of priorities, just above Paliswillian ragheads, which are at the bottom.
Why should hondo68 waste time on obama. hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction What a fookin delusional moron you are chipped toothed organ-grinder. He's the fookin POTUS, dumbass! What "faction" is that? You liebertardian phony 6 percenters are insignificant. The tea party has done and accomplished more in a matter of months than you clueless agitators have accomplished in decades.
So why even bring it into the discussion, HONDOPE? You aren't too bright, are you? Are you and Wood Chipper twins?
The tea party, yukon. They don't need RINOs. You know, RINOs. The type that want amnesty, and endorse McCain, like Palin did, and the type like you that defend them. You seem agitated tonight yukon. Pissed, really. The spittle must be all over your monitor with the personal attacks you've been slinging tonight. Have you broken any keys on your keyboard while pounding away?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
You seem agitated tonight yukon. Put the paint thinner down, asshole. The tea party doesn't need phony jerks like you. You're not even a 6 percenter. Don't start crying psycho!
Don't start crying psycho! Somebody needs a nap.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction that can DEFEAT obama, and you attack him. Why do you attack someone who doesn't like obama?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
I'm looking at the full text of Wong right now. The majority opinion doesn't say anything about natural born citizen. Neither Minor, nor Perkins define natural born citizen.
Will that stop you from being a delusional, lying POS?
Cut and paste much, organ grinder?
If he was born in the U.S., he is a citizen. PERIOD. It has nothing to do with his parents.
Ah, but the question is NOT if he's a US citizen. To be president you've got to be "a natural born US citizen". Thus the parents enter the picture.
No. If you born in the U.S. you are a natural born citizen. PERIOD. This is one reason people so outraged about illegal immigration. Mexican women cross the border illegally, have a baby in the U.S., and that baby is a U.S. citizen. Rubio was born in Miami, Florida so he is a natural born citizen. He is eligible to run for President.
The Constitution reads "natural born citizen" for a reason. If they wanted to include all citizens they would have left out "natural born". They did not want the president to have any foreign allegiances, so no dual citizens like Obama and Rubio. (If in fact his parents had not renounced their Cuban citizenship by the time of his birth) If immigrants want their kids to be president they need to swear allegiance to the USA, before they have a child.
Huh??? What gives you the idea that Rubio is a dual citizen? Natural born means a person was born inside the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats). PERIOD. The other type of citizen is a naturalized citizen -- someone who wasn't born here, but became a citizen by choice. They cannot become President.
The only people living in the U.S. who are not subject to our laws are people who have diplomatic immunity. Rubio's dad was a Cuban exile, not a Cuban diplomat.
None of the above. He left Cuba before the revolution and Castro. He was an immigrant, not an exile/refugee. AFAIK he was a REAL immigrant, and NOT an illegal alien.
Legal or illegal, it doesn't matter. For better or worse, children of illegal immigrants are US citizens, unless the Federal government gives up jurisdiction over illegal immigrants.
I don't believe that his parents were illegal aliens, but they may not have completed naturalization at the time of Marco's birth. US citizen yes, natural born maybe not. Just being born in the US doesn't make one a natural born citizen. We need the naturalization dates of the parents to know that.
We need the naturalization dates of the parents to know that. Natural born citizen means born a citizen.
.... in the USA, of parents who are US citizens. Finished it for ya.
The other type of citizen is a naturalized citizen -- someone who wasn't born here, but became a citizen by choice. They cannot become President. Incorrect jwpegler. The 14th amendment (which today has been bastardized) was nowhere in sight when the Constitution was written by the Founders. Using modern day terminology as you have, I could claim someone born via c-section was not "natural born". You have to look at what the meaning of words were when the Constitution was written. "Gay" today means something totally different than when the Constitution was penned.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
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#2. To: hondo68 (#1)
If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born. He needs to show his parents citizenship papers, and his long form birth certificate.
#3. To: Skip Intro (#2)
In "real" law, being born on US soil is enough
#4. To: hondo68 (#3)
#5. To: Skip Intro (#4)
a Supreme Court decision
#6. To: hondo68 (#5)
#7. To: Skip Intro (#6)
(Edited)
The Government of Cuba does not recognize the U.S. nationality of U.S. citizens who are Cuban-born or are the children of Cuban parents. These individuals will be treated solely as Cuban citizens and may be subject to a range of restrictions and obligations, including military service.
#8. To: hondo68 (#7)
I cite a US Supreme court decision, and you cite Cuban law. What's up with that?
#9. To: hondo68 (#3)
Dead wrong. Check out the 14th amendment.... subject to the jurisdiction thereof (US). Not British jurisdiction, or Kenyan.
#10. To: Skip Intro (#0)
(Edited)
Goldi-Lox and LP) about the desirability of Marco Rubio running for president
#11. To: hondo68 (#5)
US vs Kim Wong Ark. SCOTUS deemed that he was a US citizen, but did NOT say that he was "a natural born US citizen". He was born is the US, but his parents were Chinese citizens. He never became president, or even a candidate.
#12. To: Skip Intro (#0)
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#13. To: Rhino (#11)
it doesn't outright say he wasn't natural born.
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Ronald Reagan on the left, Barack Obama on the right.
#14. To: hondo68, Skip Intro (#10)
IMO her new found love of Rubio coincided with his recent suck-up trip to Israel.
#15. To: go65 (#12)
isn't natural born because his father wasn't a citizen.
#16. To: Ibluafartsky (#14)
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there may be a Joo under your bed!
#17. To: hondo68 (#16)
Who cares?
#18. To: Ibluafartsky, hondo68 (#17)
Can you provide a link where you display similar concern for Obama visiting a muslim country?
#19. To: Ibluafartsky (#17)
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You openly displayed your concern about Rubio making a trip to Israel
#20. To: Wood_Chopper, hondo68 (#18)
What a fake you are yukon.
#21. To: hondo68, Wood Chopper (#19)
Israel is way down on my list of priorities
#22. To: Ibluafartsky (#20)
(Edited)
What "faction" is that?
#23. To: Wood_Chopper (#22)
The tea party, yukon.
#24. To: Ibluafartsky (#23)
Put the paint thinner down, asshole. The tea party doesn't need phony jerks like you. You're not even a 6 percenter.
#25. To: Ibluafartsky (#23)
#26. To: hondo68 (#13)
#27. To: Wood_Chopper (#24)
Somebody needs a nap.
#28. To: Wood_Chopper (#25)
hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction
#29. To: hondo68 (#1)
If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#30. To: jwpegler (#29)
(Edited)
If he was born in the U.S., he is a citizen.
#31. To: hondo68 (#30)
To be president you've got to be "a natural born US citizen". Thus the parents enter the picture.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#32. To: jwpegler (#31)
(Edited)
#33. To: hondo68 (#32)
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#34. To: hondo68 (#3)
subject to the jurisdiction thereof
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#35. To: jwpegler (#34)
(Edited)
Rubio's dad was a Cuban exile, not a Cuban diplomat.
#36. To: hondo68 (#35)
None of the above. He left Cuba before the revolution and Castro. He was an immigrant, not an exile/refugee. AFAIK he was a REAL immigrant, and NOT an illegal alien.
#37. To: Rhino (#36)
For better or worse, children of illegal immigrants are US citizens
#38. To: hondo68 (#37)
I don't believe that his parents were illegal aliens, but they may not have completed naturalization at the time of Marco's birth. US citizen yes, natural born maybe not. Just being born in the US doesn't make one a natural born citizen.
#39. To: Rhino (#38)
Natural born citizen means born a citizen
#40. To: jwpegler, hondo68 (#33)
Natural born means a person was born inside the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats). PERIOD.
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