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Title: Is Marco Rubio a "Natural Born Citizen"?
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Published: Nov 12, 2010
Author: Me
Post Date: 2010-11-12 19:40:56 by Skip Intro
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There has been talk on other sites (hint: Goldi-Lox and LP) about the desirability of Marco Rubio running for president. Since these sites are also by and large "birther" sites, I want to know if Rubio is considered a "natural born citizen" and if so, why.
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#1. To: Skip Intro (#0)
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If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born. He needs to show his parents citizenship papers, and his long form birth certificate. All that's needed to prove hObama ineligible is a long form birth certificate from ANYWHERE showing that his father is Barack Obama. We already know that he was a British subject, that never became a US citizen.
You need to evaluate this according to the "birther" theory of law. In "real" law, being born on US soil is enough. "Birther" law is another thing entirely, and should be consistent with how it has been applied to Obama.
Dead wrong. Check out the 14th amendment.... subject to the jurisdiction thereof (US). Not British jurisdiction, or Kenyan.
I repeat, in "real" law being born on US soil is enough. Unless you have real proof otherwise - a Supreme Court decision, for example - let's stick to the original question.
let's stick to the original question. US vs Kim Wong Ark. SCOTUS deemed that he was a US citizen, but did NOT say that he was "a natural born US citizen". He was born is the US, but his parents were Chinese citizens. He never became president, or even a candidate. Mitt Romney is probably ineligible since his father George was Mexican born. It's unknown if or when he became a US citizen. He was governor of Michigan. Bill Richardson is ineligible since his mother was a Mexican citizen at the time of his birth. You can't leave law out of this, so it's relevant to the original question.
Getting back to the original question, this is from the US Dept of State Website: The Government of Cuba does not recognize the U.S. nationality of U.S. citizens who are Cuban-born or are the children of Cuban parents. These individuals will be treated solely as Cuban citizens and may be subject to a range of restrictions and obligations, including military service. So, is Rubio legally allowed to run for president, again using birther law as the guide?
So, is Rubio legally allowed to run for president, again using birther law as the guide? No, under Cuban law he's ineligible to be THEIR president, it seems. What has this to do with Rubio's eligibility to be US president? I cite a US Supreme court decision, and you cite Cuban law. What's up with that? Are you under the jurisdiction of Fidel, Raul? Sandra Day0 is retired from SCOTUS, so we need not consider Scottish law, or Cuban I dare say.
Because the birthers always cite Kenyan Law or British Law to try and make their case. I agree with you that only US law applies. Interestingly, the FReepers are having this same discussion about Jindal. You can read it here.
Jurisdiction means subject to the power of the courts. Basically anyone who can be sued or charged with a crime. So at the time it meant not Indians, or Diplomats. But even today, Indians are now under the jurisdiction so they count.
IMO her new found love of Rubio coincided with his recent suck-up trip to Israel. Probably not the ideal basis for choosing a US president.
US V. Wong doesn't decide whether he was a natural born citizen or not. I'm looking at the case in full in WestLaw. The majority opinion never says natural born. The dissent briefly mentions it, but it doesn't outright say he wasn't natural born.
he's not according to those who are arguing that Obama isn't natural born because his father wasn't a citizen.
Constitutional Parents Conjunction Location Conjunction Other Legal Reference Natural Born Citizen Both are U. S. Citizens AND Born in the U.S. mainland US Constitution U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, Minor v. Happersett Citizen Born to at least 1 US Citizen Parent OR Born in the U.S. mainland OR Naturalized US Constitution Native-Born Citizen Born in the U.S. mainland US Constitution Much much more... www.theobamafile.com/obamanaturalborn.htm If you want to be a competent "birther" you've got to study, study, study.
Careful hondope, there may be a Joo under your bed!
If true, he's ineligible. No big loss.
Who cares? Only a CT tard like you, would worry about such nonsense.
Why you do, hondope. You openly displayed your concern about Rubio making a trip to Israel? Can you provide a link where you display similar concern for Obama visiting a muslim country?
What a fake you are yukon. Why should hondo68 waste time on obama. Everyone knows what he is. hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction that can DEFEAT obama, and you attack him. If there's anyone here defending obama and the "one party", it's you yukon.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
A lie. I expressed the opinion that that's not the best basis for choosing a president. Israel is way down on my list of priorities, just above Paliswillian ragheads, which are at the bottom.
Why should hondo68 waste time on obama. hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction What a fookin delusional moron you are chipped toothed organ-grinder. He's the fookin POTUS, dumbass! What "faction" is that? You liebertardian phony 6 percenters are insignificant. The tea party has done and accomplished more in a matter of months than you clueless agitators have accomplished in decades.
So why even bring it into the discussion, HONDOPE? You aren't too bright, are you? Are you and Wood Chipper twins?
The tea party, yukon. They don't need RINOs. You know, RINOs. The type that want amnesty, and endorse McCain, like Palin did, and the type like you that defend them. You seem agitated tonight yukon. Pissed, really. The spittle must be all over your monitor with the personal attacks you've been slinging tonight. Have you broken any keys on your keyboard while pounding away?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
You seem agitated tonight yukon. Put the paint thinner down, asshole. The tea party doesn't need phony jerks like you. You're not even a 6 percenter. Don't start crying psycho!
Don't start crying psycho! Somebody needs a nap.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction that can DEFEAT obama, and you attack him. Why do you attack someone who doesn't like obama?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
I'm looking at the full text of Wong right now. The majority opinion doesn't say anything about natural born citizen. Neither Minor, nor Perkins define natural born citizen.
Will that stop you from being a delusional, lying POS?
Cut and paste much, organ grinder?
If he was born in the U.S., he is a citizen. PERIOD. It has nothing to do with his parents.
Ah, but the question is NOT if he's a US citizen. To be president you've got to be "a natural born US citizen". Thus the parents enter the picture.
No. If you born in the U.S. you are a natural born citizen. PERIOD. This is one reason people so outraged about illegal immigration. Mexican women cross the border illegally, have a baby in the U.S., and that baby is a U.S. citizen. Rubio was born in Miami, Florida so he is a natural born citizen. He is eligible to run for President.
The Constitution reads "natural born citizen" for a reason. If they wanted to include all citizens they would have left out "natural born". They did not want the president to have any foreign allegiances, so no dual citizens like Obama and Rubio. (If in fact his parents had not renounced their Cuban citizenship by the time of his birth) If immigrants want their kids to be president they need to swear allegiance to the USA, before they have a child.
Huh??? What gives you the idea that Rubio is a dual citizen? Natural born means a person was born inside the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats). PERIOD. The other type of citizen is a naturalized citizen -- someone who wasn't born here, but became a citizen by choice. They cannot become President.
The only people living in the U.S. who are not subject to our laws are people who have diplomatic immunity. Rubio's dad was a Cuban exile, not a Cuban diplomat.
None of the above. He left Cuba before the revolution and Castro. He was an immigrant, not an exile/refugee. AFAIK he was a REAL immigrant, and NOT an illegal alien.
Legal or illegal, it doesn't matter. For better or worse, children of illegal immigrants are US citizens, unless the Federal government gives up jurisdiction over illegal immigrants.
I don't believe that his parents were illegal aliens, but they may not have completed naturalization at the time of Marco's birth. US citizen yes, natural born maybe not. Just being born in the US doesn't make one a natural born citizen. We need the naturalization dates of the parents to know that.
We need the naturalization dates of the parents to know that. Natural born citizen means born a citizen.
.... in the USA, of parents who are US citizens. Finished it for ya.
The other type of citizen is a naturalized citizen -- someone who wasn't born here, but became a citizen by choice. They cannot become President. Incorrect jwpegler. The 14th amendment (which today has been bastardized) was nowhere in sight when the Constitution was written by the Founders. Using modern day terminology as you have, I could claim someone born via c-section was not "natural born". You have to look at what the meaning of words were when the Constitution was written. "Gay" today means something totally different than when the Constitution was penned.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Finished it for ya. There isn't a law or court case that says this. And before you show me Wong Ark Kim, give me a pinpoint citation. Because I read the case in the entirety and it doesn't even mention natural born in the majority opinion.
Using modern day terminology as you have, I could claim someone born via c-section was not "natural born". You have to look at what the meaning of words were when the Constitution was written. "Gay" today means something totally different than when the Constitution was penned. You don't look toward the original intent when there has been an amendment that affects that issue. The constitution isn't the bible, it's a changing document. Amendments are just as valid as any part of the whole. Natural born means the same thing it did in 1789. That you were born a citizen. The 14th amendment changed who was born a citizen.
You are familiar with Jus soli and jus sanguinis, right?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
You're wrong on this.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
There are many cases to study for precedence, far too many to list here. Please use the link to obamafiles in my post #13.
Since the 14th amendment the United States has had both. Actually the Civil Rights of 1866 installed Jur Soli.
So give me one. I've skimmed those cases. Not one defines natural born citizen in the majority opinion.
Correct. But it did not change who was a "natural born" citizen, it only changed who was a "citizen". I see nowhere in the 14th that "natuarl born" is mentioned, nor do I see a change in the defintion of "natual born citizen" therein. In the days of the Founders, "natural born citizen" and "citizen" were different, or they would not have included "natural born" in the requirements for President, they would have just said "citizen".
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
But it did not change who was a "natural born" citizen, it only changed who was a "citizen". I see nowhere in the 14th that "natuarl born" is mentioned, nor do I see a change in the defintion of "natual born citizen" therein. In the days of the Founders, "natural born citizen" and "citizen" were different, or they would not have included "natural born" in the requirements for President, they would have just said "citizen". Natural born citizen means exactly what it appears to. It means you were born a citizen. A citizen is either a natural born citizen or is a naturalized citizen. The founders were looking for people who were citizens from birth rather than than people who became citizens.
You do understand that people born in foreign countries can be a "citizen" of the U.S without naturalization, don't you?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
That's just plain wrong. They also wanted no foreign allegiances by birth.
Wrong.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Correct.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Yet it didn't ban dual citizenship. Your interpretation sounds unlikely. Also plenty of American's get dual citizenship and have children. Under your definition they'd be natural born, yet have the same allegiance issues.
Dual citizenship is illegal in the U.S.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
LOL no it isn't.
LOL no it isn't. Yeah, it is. Other countries bestow it upon U.S. citizens, but it is not recognized by the U.S. Try naturalizing to a U.S. citizen without first renouncing any other citizenship and see how far you get.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Other countries bestow it upon U.S. citizens, but it is not recognized by the U.S. Try naturalizing to a U.S. citizen without first renouncing any other citizenship and see how far you get. It's true that the US ignores dual citizenship, but that is far from it being illegal. There are likely hundreds of thousands of dual citizen Americans. In fact the US Supreme court has ruled that dual citizenship doesn't mean renunciation of the US citizenship. Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964). And there isn't a renunciation requirement for naturalization. You guys realize that law isn't some shit you can just speculate about right?
Lawyers and judges do it all the time. Haven't you ever been to court?
Well you certainly got me there.
You're so full of shit: Oath "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God." You do see that word "renounce" in the oath don't you? I hope you're not representative of the youth in this country. But you probably are. Which is why this country is in the shape it is in. Fuck you.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
You do see that word "renounce" in the oath don't you? I hope you're not representative of the youth in this country. But you probably are. Which is why this country is in the shape it is in. Fuck you. Allegiance isn't citizenship. Settle down old man. That SCOTUS case I just cited proves it.
Fuck you. Fuck you.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Fuck you. renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen Fuck you. Notice how it uses allegiance and citizen but not interchangeably. That means they aren't the same thing.
If you are too fucking stupid to understand the definition of "heretofore", I can't help you. I will soon be dead. My only regret is that my children and grandchildren will have to battle brain-dead morons like you to preserve their freedoms. You, are an idiot.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Before, or up til now. I'd wager I'm smarter than whatever scum slid down your daughter's leg.
You've got a lot of class, Rhino. All of it third. You're a moron Rhino. You are, in a nutshell, a prime example of why this country is in the shape it is in. My only purpose here is to expose you, and those like you, for others to see. You've done your part to prove you are a complete imbecile, I've done my part to expose you, now let's see if others here do their part to recognize it.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
The 14th Amendment is part of the Constitution. PERIOD. If you don't like, try to repeal. Right now, it's the law of the land. PERIOD.
As WC so correctly pointed out "natural born" is not addressed in the 14th amendment, so that amendment has NOTHING to do with Rubio or Obama's eligibility to be president. The purpose or the 14th was to grant ex-slaves citizenship, not make them natural born citizens. Your misinterpretation of the 14th to permit citizen anchor babies, is a topic for another thread. You could start a 14th amendment/anchor baby, thread for that?
Right your. There are all types of citizens. Their are those that were born in hospitals and those that were born in the back of a cab. Its silly to think that those are the same. Then their are those that were born on dark Indian Ocean nights. Those are you're Bengals fans of which aint nothing natral.
Then their are those that were born on dark Indian Ocean nights. Those are you're Bengals fans of which aint nothing natral. Hello, war. Back again, misspellings and all, see. What is this? Your fourth of fifth re-tread?
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)
It's an inbred spandex wearing NYC cracka, so ignorance is as natural as water rolling off of a ducks back.
I can see the metro-sexual at the nest giggling like a four year old girl about going over to boards he was booted from in order to publicly proclaim his emotional and intellectual retardation. Oh well. You can take out the trash but the stink lingers awhile.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)
If anyone ever doubted his insanity, this should clear it up.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#2. To: hondo68 (#1)
If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born. He needs to show his parents citizenship papers, and his long form birth certificate.
#3. To: Skip Intro (#2)
In "real" law, being born on US soil is enough
#4. To: hondo68 (#3)
#5. To: Skip Intro (#4)
a Supreme Court decision
#6. To: hondo68 (#5)
#7. To: Skip Intro (#6)
(Edited)
The Government of Cuba does not recognize the U.S. nationality of U.S. citizens who are Cuban-born or are the children of Cuban parents. These individuals will be treated solely as Cuban citizens and may be subject to a range of restrictions and obligations, including military service.
#8. To: hondo68 (#7)
I cite a US Supreme court decision, and you cite Cuban law. What's up with that?
#9. To: hondo68 (#3)
Dead wrong. Check out the 14th amendment.... subject to the jurisdiction thereof (US). Not British jurisdiction, or Kenyan.
#10. To: Skip Intro (#0)
(Edited)
Goldi-Lox and LP) about the desirability of Marco Rubio running for president
#11. To: hondo68 (#5)
US vs Kim Wong Ark. SCOTUS deemed that he was a US citizen, but did NOT say that he was "a natural born US citizen". He was born is the US, but his parents were Chinese citizens. He never became president, or even a candidate.
#12. To: Skip Intro (#0)
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#13. To: Rhino (#11)
it doesn't outright say he wasn't natural born.
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#14. To: hondo68, Skip Intro (#10)
IMO her new found love of Rubio coincided with his recent suck-up trip to Israel.
#15. To: go65 (#12)
isn't natural born because his father wasn't a citizen.
#16. To: Ibluafartsky (#14)
(Edited)
there may be a Joo under your bed!
#17. To: hondo68 (#16)
Who cares?
#18. To: Ibluafartsky, hondo68 (#17)
Can you provide a link where you display similar concern for Obama visiting a muslim country?
#19. To: Ibluafartsky (#17)
(Edited)
You openly displayed your concern about Rubio making a trip to Israel
#20. To: Wood_Chopper, hondo68 (#18)
What a fake you are yukon.
#21. To: hondo68, Wood Chopper (#19)
Israel is way down on my list of priorities
#22. To: Ibluafartsky (#20)
(Edited)
What "faction" is that?
#23. To: Wood_Chopper (#22)
The tea party, yukon.
#24. To: Ibluafartsky (#23)
Put the paint thinner down, asshole. The tea party doesn't need phony jerks like you. You're not even a 6 percenter.
#25. To: Ibluafartsky (#23)
#26. To: hondo68 (#13)
#27. To: Wood_Chopper (#24)
Somebody needs a nap.
#28. To: Wood_Chopper (#25)
hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction
#29. To: hondo68 (#1)
If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#30. To: jwpegler (#29)
(Edited)
If he was born in the U.S., he is a citizen.
#31. To: hondo68 (#30)
To be president you've got to be "a natural born US citizen". Thus the parents enter the picture.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#32. To: jwpegler (#31)
(Edited)
#33. To: hondo68 (#32)
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#34. To: hondo68 (#3)
subject to the jurisdiction thereof
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#35. To: jwpegler (#34)
(Edited)
Rubio's dad was a Cuban exile, not a Cuban diplomat.
#36. To: hondo68 (#35)
None of the above. He left Cuba before the revolution and Castro. He was an immigrant, not an exile/refugee. AFAIK he was a REAL immigrant, and NOT an illegal alien.
#37. To: Rhino (#36)
For better or worse, children of illegal immigrants are US citizens
#38. To: hondo68 (#37)
I don't believe that his parents were illegal aliens, but they may not have completed naturalization at the time of Marco's birth. US citizen yes, natural born maybe not. Just being born in the US doesn't make one a natural born citizen.
#39. To: Rhino (#38)
Natural born citizen means born a citizen
#40. To: jwpegler, hondo68 (#33)
Natural born means a person was born inside the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats). PERIOD.
#41. To: hondo68 (#39)
.... in the USA, of parents who are US citizens.
#42. To: Wood_Chopper (#40)
(Edited)
Incorrect jwpegler. The 14th amendment (which today has been bastardized) was nowhere in sight when the Constitution was written by the Founders.
#43. To: Rhino (#41)
#44. To: Rhino (#42)
#45. To: Rhino (#41)
give me a pinpoint citation.
#46. To: Wood_Chopper (#43)
You are familiar with Jus soli and jus sanguinis, right?
#47. To: hondo68 (#45)
(Edited)
There are many cases to study for precedence, far too many to list here. Please use the link to obamafiles in my post #13.
#48. To: Rhino (#42)
The 14th amendment changed who was born a citizen.
#49. To: Wood_Chopper (#48)
Correct.
#50. To: Rhino (#49)
#51. To: Rhino (#49)
(Edited)
The founders were looking for people who were citizens from birth
#52. To: Rhino (#49)
A citizen is either a natural born citizen or is a naturalized citizen.
#53. To: hondo68 (#51)
That's just plain wrong. They also wanted no foreign allegiances.
#54. To: hondo68 (#51)
That's just plain wrong. They also wanted no foreign allegiances by birth.
#55. To: Rhino (#54)
Yet it didn't ban dual citizenship.
#56. To: Wood_Chopper (#55)
Dual citizenship is illegal in the U.S.
#57. To: Rhino (#56)
Dual citizenship is illegal in the U.S.
#58. To: Wood_Chopper (#57)
Yeah, it is.
#59. To: Rhino (#58)
law isn't some shit you can just speculate about right?
#60. To: hondo68 (#59)
Lawyers and judges do it all the time. Haven't you ever been to court?
#61. To: Rhino (#58)
(Edited)
And there isn't a renunciation requirement for naturalization.
#62. To: Wood_Chopper (#61)
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
#63. To: Rhino (#62)
(Edited)
Allegiance isn't citizenship.
renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen
#64. To: Wood_Chopper (#63)
Allegiance isn't citizenship.
#65. To: Rhino (#64)
#66. To: Wood_Chopper (#65)
(Edited)
#67. To: Rhino (#66)
I'd wager I'm smarter than whatever scum slid down your daughter's leg.
#68. To: Wood_Chopper (#40)
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#69. To: jwpegler, Wood_Chopper (#68)
(Edited)
The 14th Amendment is part of the Constitution. PERIOD
#70. To: hondo68 (#69)
#71. To: Boofer T And The Humvees, A K A Stone (#70)
Right your. There are all types of citizens. Their are those that were born in hospitals and those that were born in the back of a cab. Its silly to think that those are the same.
#72. To: Rudgear (#71)
(Edited)
Hello, war. Back again, misspellings and all
#73. To: hondo68 (#72)
#74. To: Rudgear (#71)
Hello, war. Back again, misspellings and all, see. What is this? Your fourth of fifth re-tread?
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