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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In The Water Cooler See other The Water Cooler Articles Title: Is Marco Rubio a "Natural Born Citizen"? Source: [None] URL Source: http://libertysflame.org Published: Nov 12, 2010 Author: Me Post Date: 2010-11-12 19:40:56 by Skip Intro Keywords: None Views: 72498 Comments: 74 There has been talk on other sites (hint: Goldi-Lox and LP) about the desirability of Marco Rubio running for president. Since these sites are also by and large "birther" sites, I want to know if Rubio is considered a "natural born citizen" and if so, why. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 49. #1. To: Skip Intro (#0) (Edited) If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born. He needs to show his parents citizenship papers, and his long form birth certificate. All that's needed to prove hObama ineligible is a long form birth certificate from ANYWHERE showing that his father is Barack Obama. We already know that he was a British subject, that never became a US citizen. Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-12   19:59:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: hondo68 (#1) If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born. If he was born in the U.S., he is a citizen. PERIOD. It has nothing to do with his parents. jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-13   12:27:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: jwpegler (#29) (Edited) If he was born in the U.S., he is a citizen. Ah, but the question is NOT if he's a US citizen. To be president you've got to be "a natural born US citizen". Thus the parents enter the picture. Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-13   13:24:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: hondo68 (#30) To be president you've got to be "a natural born US citizen". Thus the parents enter the picture. No. If you born in the U.S. you are a natural born citizen. PERIOD. This is one reason people so outraged about illegal immigration. Mexican women cross the border illegally, have a baby in the U.S., and that baby is a U.S. citizen. Rubio was born in Miami, Florida so he is a natural born citizen. He is eligible to run for President. jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-13   14:32:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: jwpegler (#31) (Edited) The Constitution reads "natural born citizen" for a reason. If they wanted to include all citizens they would have left out "natural born". They did not want the president to have any foreign allegiances, so no dual citizens like Obama and Rubio. (If in fact his parents had not renounced their Cuban citizenship by the time of his birth) If immigrants want their kids to be president they need to swear allegiance to the USA, before they have a child. Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-13   18:06:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: hondo68 (#32) Huh??? What gives you the idea that Rubio is a dual citizen? Natural born means a person was born inside the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats). PERIOD. The other type of citizen is a naturalized citizen -- someone who wasn't born here, but became a citizen by choice. They cannot become President. jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-13   18:26:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: jwpegler, hondo68 (#33) Natural born means a person was born inside the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats). PERIOD. The other type of citizen is a naturalized citizen -- someone who wasn't born here, but became a citizen by choice. They cannot become President. Incorrect jwpegler. The 14th amendment (which today has been bastardized) was nowhere in sight when the Constitution was written by the Founders. Using modern day terminology as you have, I could claim someone born via c-section was not "natural born". You have to look at what the meaning of words were when the Constitution was written. "Gay" today means something totally different than when the Constitution was penned. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-13   22:59:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: Wood_Chopper (#40) (Edited) Incorrect jwpegler. The 14th amendment (which today has been bastardized) was nowhere in sight when the Constitution was written by the Founders. Using modern day terminology as you have, I could claim someone born via c-section was not "natural born". You have to look at what the meaning of words were when the Constitution was written. "Gay" today means something totally different than when the Constitution was penned. You don't look toward the original intent when there has been an amendment that affects that issue. The constitution isn't the bible, it's a changing document. Amendments are just as valid as any part of the whole. Natural born means the same thing it did in 1789. That you were born a citizen. The 14th amendment changed who was born a citizen. Rhino  posted on  2010-11-13   23:02:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: Rhino (#42) The 14th amendment changed who was born a citizen. Correct. But it did not change who was a "natural born" citizen, it only changed who was a "citizen". I see nowhere in the 14th that "natuarl born" is mentioned, nor do I see a change in the defintion of "natual born citizen" therein. In the days of the Founders, "natural born citizen" and "citizen" were different, or they would not have included "natural born" in the requirements for President, they would have just said "citizen". Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-13   23:15:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: Wood_Chopper (#48) Correct. But it did not change who was a "natural born" citizen, it only changed who was a "citizen". I see nowhere in the 14th that "natuarl born" is mentioned, nor do I see a change in the defintion of "natual born citizen" therein. In the days of the Founders, "natural born citizen" and "citizen" were different, or they would not have included "natural born" in the requirements for President, they would have just said "citizen". Natural born citizen means exactly what it appears to. It means you were born a citizen. A citizen is either a natural born citizen or is a naturalized citizen. The founders were looking for people who were citizens from birth rather than than people who became citizens. Rhino  posted on  2010-11-13   23:20:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 49. #50. To: Rhino (#49) You do understand that people born in foreign countries can be a "citizen" of the U.S without naturalization, don't you? Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-13 23:24:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: Rhino (#49) (Edited) The founders were looking for people who were citizens from birth That's just plain wrong. They also wanted no foreign allegiances by birth. Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-13 23:26:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: Rhino (#49) A citizen is either a natural born citizen or is a naturalized citizen. Wrong. Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-13 23:26:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 49. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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