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Source: [None] URL Source: http://libertysflame.org Published: Nov 12, 2010 Author: Me Post Date: 2010-11-12 19:40:56 by Skip Intro Keywords: None Views: 72331 Comments: 74 There has been talk on other sites (hint: Goldi-Lox and LP) about the desirability of Marco Rubio running for president. Since these sites are also by and large "birther" sites, I want to know if Rubio is considered a "natural born citizen" and if so, why. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 47. #1. To: Skip Intro (#0) (Edited) If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born. He needs to show his parents citizenship papers, and his long form birth certificate. All that's needed to prove hObama ineligible is a long form birth certificate from ANYWHERE showing that his father is Barack Obama. We already know that he was a British subject, that never became a US citizen. Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-12   19:59:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: hondo68 (#1) If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born. He needs to show his parents citizenship papers, and his long form birth certificate. You need to evaluate this according to the "birther" theory of law. In "real" law, being born on US soil is enough. "Birther" law is another thing entirely, and should be consistent with how it has been applied to Obama. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-11-12   20:05:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Skip Intro (#2) In "real" law, being born on US soil is enough Dead wrong. Check out the 14th amendment.... subject to the jurisdiction thereof (US). Not British jurisdiction, or Kenyan. Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-12   20:09:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: hondo68 (#3) subject to the jurisdiction thereof The only people living in the U.S. who are not subject to our laws are people who have diplomatic immunity. Rubio's dad was a Cuban exile, not a Cuban diplomat. jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-13   18:36:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: jwpegler (#34) (Edited) Rubio's dad was a Cuban exile, not a Cuban diplomat. None of the above. He left Cuba before the revolution and Castro. He was an immigrant, not an exile/refugee. AFAIK he was a REAL immigrant, and NOT an illegal alien. Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-13   18:46:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: hondo68 (#35) None of the above. He left Cuba before the revolution and Castro. He was an immigrant, not an exile/refugee. AFAIK he was a REAL immigrant, and NOT an illegal alien. Legal or illegal, it doesn't matter. For better or worse, children of illegal immigrants are US citizens, unless the Federal government gives up jurisdiction over illegal immigrants. Rhino  posted on  2010-11-13   22:31:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: Rhino (#36) For better or worse, children of illegal immigrants are US citizens I don't believe that his parents were illegal aliens, but they may not have completed naturalization at the time of Marco's birth. US citizen yes, natural born maybe not. Just being born in the US doesn't make one a natural born citizen. We need the naturalization dates of the parents to know that. Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-13   22:49:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: hondo68 (#37) I don't believe that his parents were illegal aliens, but they may not have completed naturalization at the time of Marco's birth. US citizen yes, natural born maybe not. Just being born in the US doesn't make one a natural born citizen. We need the naturalization dates of the parents to know that. Natural born citizen means born a citizen. Rhino  posted on  2010-11-13   22:51:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: Rhino (#38) Natural born citizen means born a citizen .... in the USA, of parents who are US citizens. Finished it for ya. Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-13   22:58:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: hondo68 (#39) .... in the USA, of parents who are US citizens. Finished it for ya. There isn't a law or court case that says this. And before you show me Wong Ark Kim, give me a pinpoint citation. Because I read the case in the entirety and it doesn't even mention natural born in the majority opinion. Rhino  posted on  2010-11-13   23:00:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: Rhino (#41) give me a pinpoint citation. There are many cases to study for precedence, far too many to list here. Please use the link to obamafiles in my post #13. Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-13   23:06:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: hondo68 (#45) (Edited) There are many cases to study for precedence, far too many to list here. Please use the link to obamafiles in my post #13. So give me one. I've skimmed those cases. Not one defines natural born citizen in the majority opinion. Rhino  posted on  2010-11-13   23:12:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 47.         There are no replies to Comment # 47. End Trace Mode for Comment # 47. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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