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Title: Is Marco Rubio a "Natural Born Citizen"?
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URL Source: http://libertysflame.org
Published: Nov 12, 2010
Author: Me
Post Date: 2010-11-12 19:40:56 by Skip Intro
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There has been talk on other sites (hint: Goldi-Lox and LP) about the desirability of Marco Rubio running for president. Since these sites are also by and large "birther" sites, I want to know if Rubio is considered a "natural born citizen" and if so, why.
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#18. To: Ibluafartsky, hondo68 (#17)
What a fake you are yukon. Why should hondo68 waste time on obama. Everyone knows what he is. hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction that can DEFEAT obama, and you attack him. If there's anyone here defending obama and the "one party", it's you yukon.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
A lie. I expressed the opinion that that's not the best basis for choosing a president. Israel is way down on my list of priorities, just above Paliswillian ragheads, which are at the bottom.
Why should hondo68 waste time on obama. hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction What a fookin delusional moron you are chipped toothed organ-grinder. He's the fookin POTUS, dumbass! What "faction" is that? You liebertardian phony 6 percenters are insignificant. The tea party has done and accomplished more in a matter of months than you clueless agitators have accomplished in decades.
So why even bring it into the discussion, HONDOPE? You aren't too bright, are you? Are you and Wood Chipper twins?
The tea party, yukon. They don't need RINOs. You know, RINOs. The type that want amnesty, and endorse McCain, like Palin did, and the type like you that defend them. You seem agitated tonight yukon. Pissed, really. The spittle must be all over your monitor with the personal attacks you've been slinging tonight. Have you broken any keys on your keyboard while pounding away?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
You seem agitated tonight yukon. Put the paint thinner down, asshole. The tea party doesn't need phony jerks like you. You're not even a 6 percenter. Don't start crying psycho!
Don't start crying psycho! Somebody needs a nap.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction that can DEFEAT obama, and you attack him. Why do you attack someone who doesn't like obama?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
I'm looking at the full text of Wong right now. The majority opinion doesn't say anything about natural born citizen. Neither Minor, nor Perkins define natural born citizen.
Will that stop you from being a delusional, lying POS?
Cut and paste much, organ grinder?
If he was born in the U.S., he is a citizen. PERIOD. It has nothing to do with his parents.
Ah, but the question is NOT if he's a US citizen. To be president you've got to be "a natural born US citizen". Thus the parents enter the picture.
No. If you born in the U.S. you are a natural born citizen. PERIOD. This is one reason people so outraged about illegal immigration. Mexican women cross the border illegally, have a baby in the U.S., and that baby is a U.S. citizen. Rubio was born in Miami, Florida so he is a natural born citizen. He is eligible to run for President.
The Constitution reads "natural born citizen" for a reason. If they wanted to include all citizens they would have left out "natural born". They did not want the president to have any foreign allegiances, so no dual citizens like Obama and Rubio. (If in fact his parents had not renounced their Cuban citizenship by the time of his birth) If immigrants want their kids to be president they need to swear allegiance to the USA, before they have a child.
Huh??? What gives you the idea that Rubio is a dual citizen? Natural born means a person was born inside the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats). PERIOD. The other type of citizen is a naturalized citizen -- someone who wasn't born here, but became a citizen by choice. They cannot become President.
The only people living in the U.S. who are not subject to our laws are people who have diplomatic immunity. Rubio's dad was a Cuban exile, not a Cuban diplomat.
None of the above. He left Cuba before the revolution and Castro. He was an immigrant, not an exile/refugee. AFAIK he was a REAL immigrant, and NOT an illegal alien.
Legal or illegal, it doesn't matter. For better or worse, children of illegal immigrants are US citizens, unless the Federal government gives up jurisdiction over illegal immigrants.
I don't believe that his parents were illegal aliens, but they may not have completed naturalization at the time of Marco's birth. US citizen yes, natural born maybe not. Just being born in the US doesn't make one a natural born citizen. We need the naturalization dates of the parents to know that.
We need the naturalization dates of the parents to know that. Natural born citizen means born a citizen.
.... in the USA, of parents who are US citizens. Finished it for ya.
The other type of citizen is a naturalized citizen -- someone who wasn't born here, but became a citizen by choice. They cannot become President. Incorrect jwpegler. The 14th amendment (which today has been bastardized) was nowhere in sight when the Constitution was written by the Founders. Using modern day terminology as you have, I could claim someone born via c-section was not "natural born". You have to look at what the meaning of words were when the Constitution was written. "Gay" today means something totally different than when the Constitution was penned.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Finished it for ya. There isn't a law or court case that says this. And before you show me Wong Ark Kim, give me a pinpoint citation. Because I read the case in the entirety and it doesn't even mention natural born in the majority opinion.
Using modern day terminology as you have, I could claim someone born via c-section was not "natural born". You have to look at what the meaning of words were when the Constitution was written. "Gay" today means something totally different than when the Constitution was penned. You don't look toward the original intent when there has been an amendment that affects that issue. The constitution isn't the bible, it's a changing document. Amendments are just as valid as any part of the whole. Natural born means the same thing it did in 1789. That you were born a citizen. The 14th amendment changed who was born a citizen.
You are familiar with Jus soli and jus sanguinis, right?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
You're wrong on this.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
There are many cases to study for precedence, far too many to list here. Please use the link to obamafiles in my post #13.
Since the 14th amendment the United States has had both. Actually the Civil Rights of 1866 installed Jur Soli.
So give me one. I've skimmed those cases. Not one defines natural born citizen in the majority opinion.
Correct. But it did not change who was a "natural born" citizen, it only changed who was a "citizen". I see nowhere in the 14th that "natuarl born" is mentioned, nor do I see a change in the defintion of "natual born citizen" therein. In the days of the Founders, "natural born citizen" and "citizen" were different, or they would not have included "natural born" in the requirements for President, they would have just said "citizen".
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
But it did not change who was a "natural born" citizen, it only changed who was a "citizen". I see nowhere in the 14th that "natuarl born" is mentioned, nor do I see a change in the defintion of "natual born citizen" therein. In the days of the Founders, "natural born citizen" and "citizen" were different, or they would not have included "natural born" in the requirements for President, they would have just said "citizen". Natural born citizen means exactly what it appears to. It means you were born a citizen. A citizen is either a natural born citizen or is a naturalized citizen. The founders were looking for people who were citizens from birth rather than than people who became citizens.
You do understand that people born in foreign countries can be a "citizen" of the U.S without naturalization, don't you?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
That's just plain wrong. They also wanted no foreign allegiances by birth.
Wrong.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Correct.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Yet it didn't ban dual citizenship. Your interpretation sounds unlikely. Also plenty of American's get dual citizenship and have children. Under your definition they'd be natural born, yet have the same allegiance issues.
Dual citizenship is illegal in the U.S.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
LOL no it isn't.
LOL no it isn't. Yeah, it is. Other countries bestow it upon U.S. citizens, but it is not recognized by the U.S. Try naturalizing to a U.S. citizen without first renouncing any other citizenship and see how far you get.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Other countries bestow it upon U.S. citizens, but it is not recognized by the U.S. Try naturalizing to a U.S. citizen without first renouncing any other citizenship and see how far you get. It's true that the US ignores dual citizenship, but that is far from it being illegal. There are likely hundreds of thousands of dual citizen Americans. In fact the US Supreme court has ruled that dual citizenship doesn't mean renunciation of the US citizenship. Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964). And there isn't a renunciation requirement for naturalization. You guys realize that law isn't some shit you can just speculate about right?
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#19. To: Ibluafartsky (#17)
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You openly displayed your concern about Rubio making a trip to Israel
#20. To: Wood_Chopper, hondo68 (#18)
What a fake you are yukon.
#21. To: hondo68, Wood Chopper (#19)
Israel is way down on my list of priorities
#22. To: Ibluafartsky (#20)
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What "faction" is that?
#23. To: Wood_Chopper (#22)
The tea party, yukon.
#24. To: Ibluafartsky (#23)
Put the paint thinner down, asshole. The tea party doesn't need phony jerks like you. You're not even a 6 percenter.
#25. To: Ibluafartsky (#23)
#26. To: hondo68 (#13)
#27. To: Wood_Chopper (#24)
Somebody needs a nap.
#28. To: Wood_Chopper (#25)
hondo68 is working to strengthen a faction
#29. To: hondo68 (#1)
If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#30. To: jwpegler (#29)
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If he was born in the U.S., he is a citizen.
#31. To: hondo68 (#30)
To be president you've got to be "a natural born US citizen". Thus the parents enter the picture.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#32. To: jwpegler (#31)
(Edited)
#33. To: hondo68 (#32)
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#34. To: hondo68 (#3)
subject to the jurisdiction thereof
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#35. To: jwpegler (#34)
(Edited)
Rubio's dad was a Cuban exile, not a Cuban diplomat.
#36. To: hondo68 (#35)
None of the above. He left Cuba before the revolution and Castro. He was an immigrant, not an exile/refugee. AFAIK he was a REAL immigrant, and NOT an illegal alien.
#37. To: Rhino (#36)
For better or worse, children of illegal immigrants are US citizens
#38. To: hondo68 (#37)
I don't believe that his parents were illegal aliens, but they may not have completed naturalization at the time of Marco's birth. US citizen yes, natural born maybe not. Just being born in the US doesn't make one a natural born citizen.
#39. To: Rhino (#38)
Natural born citizen means born a citizen
#40. To: jwpegler, hondo68 (#33)
Natural born means a person was born inside the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats). PERIOD.
#41. To: hondo68 (#39)
.... in the USA, of parents who are US citizens.
#42. To: Wood_Chopper (#40)
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Incorrect jwpegler. The 14th amendment (which today has been bastardized) was nowhere in sight when the Constitution was written by the Founders.
#43. To: Rhino (#41)
#44. To: Rhino (#42)
#45. To: Rhino (#41)
give me a pinpoint citation.
#46. To: Wood_Chopper (#43)
You are familiar with Jus soli and jus sanguinis, right?
#47. To: hondo68 (#45)
(Edited)
There are many cases to study for precedence, far too many to list here. Please use the link to obamafiles in my post #13.
#48. To: Rhino (#42)
The 14th amendment changed who was born a citizen.
#49. To: Wood_Chopper (#48)
Correct.
#50. To: Rhino (#49)
#51. To: Rhino (#49)
(Edited)
The founders were looking for people who were citizens from birth
#52. To: Rhino (#49)
A citizen is either a natural born citizen or is a naturalized citizen.
#53. To: hondo68 (#51)
That's just plain wrong. They also wanted no foreign allegiances.
#54. To: hondo68 (#51)
That's just plain wrong. They also wanted no foreign allegiances by birth.
#55. To: Rhino (#54)
Yet it didn't ban dual citizenship.
#56. To: Wood_Chopper (#55)
Dual citizenship is illegal in the U.S.
#57. To: Rhino (#56)
Dual citizenship is illegal in the U.S.
#58. To: Wood_Chopper (#57)
Yeah, it is.
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