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Title: Is Marco Rubio a "Natural Born Citizen"?
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URL Source: http://libertysflame.org
Published: Nov 12, 2010
Author: Me
Post Date: 2010-11-12 19:40:56 by Skip Intro
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Comments: 74
There has been talk on other sites (hint: Goldi-Lox and LP) about the desirability of Marco Rubio running for president. Since these sites are also by and large "birther" sites, I want to know if Rubio is considered a "natural born citizen" and if so, why.
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#1. To: Skip Intro (#0)
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If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born. He needs to show his parents citizenship papers, and his long form birth certificate. All that's needed to prove hObama ineligible is a long form birth certificate from ANYWHERE showing that his father is Barack Obama. We already know that he was a British subject, that never became a US citizen.
You need to evaluate this according to the "birther" theory of law. In "real" law, being born on US soil is enough. "Birther" law is another thing entirely, and should be consistent with how it has been applied to Obama.
Dead wrong. Check out the 14th amendment.... subject to the jurisdiction thereof (US). Not British jurisdiction, or Kenyan.
I repeat, in "real" law being born on US soil is enough. Unless you have real proof otherwise - a Supreme Court decision, for example - let's stick to the original question.
let's stick to the original question. US vs Kim Wong Ark. SCOTUS deemed that he was a US citizen, but did NOT say that he was "a natural born US citizen". He was born is the US, but his parents were Chinese citizens. He never became president, or even a candidate. Mitt Romney is probably ineligible since his father George was Mexican born. It's unknown if or when he became a US citizen. He was governor of Michigan. Bill Richardson is ineligible since his mother was a Mexican citizen at the time of his birth. You can't leave law out of this, so it's relevant to the original question.
US V. Wong doesn't decide whether he was a natural born citizen or not. I'm looking at the case in full in WestLaw. The majority opinion never says natural born. The dissent briefly mentions it, but it doesn't outright say he wasn't natural born.
Constitutional Parents Conjunction Location Conjunction Other Legal Reference Natural Born Citizen Both are U. S. Citizens AND Born in the U.S. mainland US Constitution U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, Minor v. Happersett Citizen Born to at least 1 US Citizen Parent OR Born in the U.S. mainland OR Naturalized US Constitution Native-Born Citizen Born in the U.S. mainland US Constitution Much much more... www.theobamafile.com/obamanaturalborn.htm If you want to be a competent "birther" you've got to study, study, study.
#26. To: hondo68 (#13)
I'm looking at the full text of Wong right now. The majority opinion doesn't say anything about natural born citizen. Neither Minor, nor Perkins define natural born citizen.
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#2. To: hondo68 (#1)
If he was born in the US, and his parents had become US citizens and renounced allegiance to Cuba by the time of his birth, he's natural born. He needs to show his parents citizenship papers, and his long form birth certificate.
#3. To: Skip Intro (#2)
In "real" law, being born on US soil is enough
#4. To: hondo68 (#3)
#5. To: Skip Intro (#4)
a Supreme Court decision
#11. To: hondo68 (#5)
US vs Kim Wong Ark. SCOTUS deemed that he was a US citizen, but did NOT say that he was "a natural born US citizen". He was born is the US, but his parents were Chinese citizens. He never became president, or even a candidate.
#13. To: Rhino (#11)
it doesn't outright say he wasn't natural born.
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Term
(And, Or)
of Birth
(And, Or)
Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 5
169 U.S. 649 (1898)
(1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168
Perkins v. Elg,
307 U.S. 325 (1939)
by
Statute
14th Amendment,
Sec. 1
U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark,
169 U.S. 649 (1898)
Perkins v. Elg,
307 U.S. 325 (1939)
14th Amendment,
Sec. 1
U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark,
169 U.S. 649 (1898)
Perkins v. Elg,
307 U.S. 325 (1939)
Ronald Reagan on the left, Barack Obama on the right.
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