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Title: Obama's Deficit Panel: $4 Trillion in Deficit Reduction
Source: Consumer Reports
URL Source: http://blogs.consumerreports.org/mo ... ding_cuts_government_jobs.html
Published: Nov 11, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-11-11 12:17:45 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 9819
Comments: 38

President Obama's panel on reducing the federal debt released a proposal today aimed at reducing $4 billion in projected deficits through 2020, achieving those savings through deep cuts in defense and domestic spending. It would affect everything from Social Security, to medical spending, to tax rates.

It's just a proposal, with ideas that could be taken separately or as a whole. Members of the bipartisan deficit-reduction panel are expected to hold discussions aimed at ironing out differences until Dec. 1, the date of the commission's last public meeting. The panel would need 14 of 18 votes to send the plan to Congress, which would put it up for a vote. Here's a breakdown of how it would affect government, business and consumers.

How it would affect government:

- Cuts 10% of the federal work force by 2015 through attrition, and eliminates 250,000 contractor jobs

- Freezes salaries and bonuses of federal employees for 3 years bans earmarks

- Cuts Pentagon spending through closing one-third of overseas military bases and

- Freezing noncombat pay for three years, among other cuts

How it would affect consumers:

- Raises the full retirement age for collecting Socal Security from 67 to 68 by 2050; rising to 69 by 2075, but adds an exemption for hardship cases at age 62 and creates new benefits to reduce elderly poverty.

- Lowers individual income tax rates to as low as 8 percent on the lowest income bracket (now 10%) and to 23 percent on the highest bracket (now 35%)

- Abolishes the alternative minimum tax (AMT)

- Eliminates mortgage interest deduction on second homes, home-equity loans, and mortgages over $500,000

- Caps exemption from taxes for employees’ health benefits

How it would affect business:

- Reduces corprate tax rates to as low as 26%, from the current 35%

- Slashes farm subsidies by $3 billion annually

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#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)

LOL. Pelosi is already declaring it unacceptable, but of course she has no way to stop it.

I agree with Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell that it may be a good start but it isn't enough. Cutting projected deficits by $4 trillion over 10 years is not enough when the U.S government is running trillion annual deficits.

The tax side of the proposal looks rational and reasonable. They are lowering everyone's income tax rates. They are abolishing the alternative minimum tax. They are lower business tax rates. They are "paying for it" by eliminated deductions for wealthier people, e.g., mortgages over $500K. The GOP used to argue for a simpler tax system with lower rates. This is a good step in the right direction.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-11   12:19:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: jwpegler (#1)

LOL. Pelosi is already declaring it unacceptable, but of course she has no way to stop it.

EVERYONE is declaring it unacceptable, Republicans refuse to consider any tax hikes and they've already said that Medicare, SS, and Defense are off the table.

So how do they close a $1.2 trillion deficit when only $421 billion is left to cut?

go65  posted on  2010-11-11   12:28:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65 (#2) (Edited)

EVERYONE is declaring it unacceptable, Republicans refuse to consider any tax hikes

That is not what I heard from several GOP Senators and Governors this morning. They all said it's a good start. Some said it doesn't go far enough. One Senator didn't like the military cuts.

No one mentioned taxes. Why? Because economically literate Republicans want to lower marginal tax rates to stimulate growth. This proposal lowers the top margin rate from 36% (or 39.6% when the Bush tax cuts expire) to 23%! It also eliminates the AMT, which is snaring more middle class people all of the time. In addition, it lowers the top corporate tax rate from 36% to 26%. They pay for it by eliminating some deductions, for example deductions for jumbo mortgages over $500K.

This is exactly that type of proposal that Ronald Reagan and Bill Bradley agreed to in 86.

In the 80s and 90s, many Republicans wanted to eliminated all tax deductions and further lower and flatten the rates.

This is a rational and reasonable tax proposal. I think you'll see a lot of Republicans and Senate Democrats taking this very seriously.

However, the spending cuts aren't enough. They need to be broader, deeper, and implemented more quickly.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-11   12:51:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: jwpegler (#3)

That is not what I heard from several GOP Senators and Governors this morning. They all said it's a good start. Some said it doesn't go far enough. One Senator didn't like the military cuts.

Can you point me to any Republican other than Mitch Daniels who said they would consider tax hikes?

Do you really think Republicans will vote to raise taxes?

go65  posted on  2010-11-11   13:20:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: go65 (#6) (Edited)

We have a serious gap in our definitions.

No, there isn't a single Republican with a brain anywhere that would accept an increase in tax rates. This proposal dramatically lowers tax rates.

The top tax rate would be cut to 23%. That's a 36% cut from the current 36% top rate and a 42% cut from 39.6% (where the rate will be if the Bush tax cuts expire).

This is what Reagan did, twice -- once at the beginning of 80s when the top rate was cut from 70% to 50% -- and again in 86 when it was cut from 50% to 28%.

This proposal would cut the top rate to 23%. It would also collapse the current 6 rates (10, 15, 25, 28, 33, 36) to 3 rates (8, 14, and 23). Plus it eliminates the AMT and cuts the corporate tax rates. It is magnificent. This is what we need to get the economy growing.

They "pay for it" by eliminating deductions. The GOP has wanted to flatten rates and eliminate deductions for 30+ years. One deduction to go is the deduction for jumbo loans. No, subsidizing the purchase of million dollar homes is not the right thing to do to stimulate the economy. People certainly should be able to buy a million home if they can afford it, but the code shouldn't subsidize consumption over production.

I like the tax proposal as a start.

However, the spending cuts aren't deep enough. They are not even close to being deep enough. They didn't touch Obamacare because the members had "healthcare fatigue" after the debates of last year. They are waiting too long (2075) to make minor changes to Social Security. They don't do much about the Departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Eduction, and Labor. The proposal will NOT balance the budget in 10 years.

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#8. To: jwpegler (#7)

No, there isn't a single Republican with a brain anywhere that would accept an increase in tax rates. This proposal dramatically lowers tax rates.

it lowers rates, but it ends deduction so at the end of the day it's a net increase in taxes. One of the proposals is to treat capital gains as ordinary income, a huge tax increase for investors. They also propose ending deductions on state/local taxes and capping property tax deductions at $500k. And they proposed increasing the SS cap.

Go back and look at the Reagan tax plan of 1986, at the end of the day it was the largest tax increase in U.S. history.

go65  posted on  2010-11-11 15:10:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: jwpegler (#7)

The proposal will NOT balance the budget in 10 years.

that's not a goal nor an aim of the plan, the goal they set was to reduce the deficit to a manageable level of less than about $250 billion a year.

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