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Title: What if states ditch Medicaid?
Source: Washington Post
URL Source: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ez ... _if_states_ditch_medicaid.html
Published: Nov 9, 2010
Author: Suzy Khimm
Post Date: 2010-11-09 10:51:10 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 11758
Comments: 46

The Medicaid expansion was meant to be one of the hallmark accomplishments of health-care reform. The Affordable Care Act will expand the program rapidly by subsidizing insurance for all Americans up to 133 percent of the poverty line, which will add an estimated 16 million new Medicaid enrollees. During the health-care debate, Democrats heralded the move for helping to bring the country closer than ever to achieving universal coverage.

But the Medicaid expansion has also become one of the biggest points of tension between the federal and state governments. The federal government will cover all the costs of the expansion until 2019, but the states will eventually be responsible for shouldering part of the burden thereafter, as Medicaid has traditionally been a federal-state cost-sharing program. Many GOP state governments, along with a handful of Democratic ones, have complained that the expansion will bankrupt already cash-strapped budgets.

Texas, however, has taken such protestations a step further. Conservative state lawmakers are now demanding that the state drop out of the program altogether to alleviate the state's $25 billion shortfall. If Texas went ahead with such a plan, it's unlikely that the Medicaid program would entirely disappear, but its reimbursement rates would fall so low without state support that almost no one provider would accept the coverage, as Mike Tomasky explains.

What would justify such a move? The New York Times cites one veteran GOP state representative who's pushing the idea: "We need to get out of it. And with the budget shortfall we're anticipating, we may have to act this year."

The underlying rationale is that sacrificing the health coverage of poor people would be a worthwhile move if it solves the state's budget crisis. If you're a purist in opposing the welfare state — even at significant human cost to the most vulnerable — it's a logical argument to make. But even if we all agree the goal is fiscal solvency, there's also a chance that gutting Medicaid could end up backfiring.

The uninsured poor have already been resorting to hospital emergency rooms for care, and hospitals, in turn, have relied on state governments to cover the costs. If Medicaid coverage were pared back, the hospital ER would likely become the de facto safety net: The number of uninsured ER visits would invariably rise, and the state government would end up paying the price anyway. Texas's own comptroller, Susan Combs, has admitted as much: In a 2005 paper, she proposes that the state's Medicaid should be slashed and hospital reimbursements upped instead. But ER visits are extremely expensive, and they won't serve as a particular cost-effective solution to eliminating insurance, which at least gives patients other options for care.

To be sure, there's no question that Medicaid has been costly for state governments, and it's understandable that the lingering recession would make state officials feel panicky about the future expansion. There are deeper programs still: the cash-strapped program only pays providers 66 percent of Medicare reimbursement rates, making it hard for Medicaid patients to find doctors who accept their coverage. Such dilemmas strengthen the argument for simply federalizing the entire Medicaid program, protecting it from the ideological and fiscal battles on the state level.

But until the day comes that a better Medicaid overhaul is possible, states must also realize that simply trying to wash their hands of the problem by stripping Medicaid coverage from the poor — without providing a reasonable alternative — won't be the answer either. The uninsured poor will continue to get sick. They will continue to seek out health care. And many institutions — including state governments — will still end up paying for it.

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#1. To: All (#0)

The uninsured poor have already been resorting to hospital emergency rooms for care, and hospitals, in turn, have relied on state governments to cover the costs. If Medicaid coverage were pared back, the hospital ER would likely become the de facto safety net: The number of uninsured ER visits would invariably rise, and the state government would end up paying the price anyway. Texas's own comptroller, Susan Combs, has admitted as much: In a 2005 paper, she proposes that the state's Medicaid should be slashed and hospital reimbursements upped instead. But ER visits are extremely expensive, and they won't serve as a particular cost-effective solution to eliminating insurance, which at least gives patients other options for care.

The only way this plan would save the state money is if ERs are allowed to validate insurance before treating patients, and then turning those away who are not insured, or require payment up front.

go65  posted on  2010-11-09   10:52:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65 (#1)

First off. Notice all those Depression Era pics.

There aren't any obese people. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-11-09   21:55:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mcgowanjm (#3)

First off. Notice all those Depression Era pics. There aren't any obese people.

There were damned few in the '50's and '60's, mcclown.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-09   21:58:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ibluafartsky (#5)

There were damned few in the '50's and '60's, mcclown.

Yep, and damned few farm subsidies to promote high fructose corn syrup.

go65  posted on  2010-11-09   22:04:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: go65 (#7)

Yep, and damned few farm subsidies to promote high fructose corn syrup.

Percent of Americans Who are Obese Another 30% of Americans are simply overweight. And these percentages are only expected to rise. Dr. Marion Nestle has deemed the obesity epidemic ... www.professorshouse.com › Family › Health › Articles - Cached - Similar

Going to 42%. A Guarantee of widespread chronic illness.

Drink soda. Get fat.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-11-09   22:11:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#10)

Single Payer Medicare/VA for All.

People don't realize how close we came to Revolution in 1932-37.

Get rid of the promise of Medicaid/Medicare/SS while funding the Banksters/bp/Israel/USEmpire.

"For two years, politicians have danced around the nationalization issue, but ForeclosureGate may be the last straw. The megabanks are too big to fail, but they aren't too big to reorganize as federal institutions serving the public interest.[..]"-Ellen Brown

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-11-09   22:18:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mcgowanjm (#13)

Single Payer Medicare/VA for All.

Just like Canada. They have great health care system, until you are really sick. Then you cross the border and rely on a ghetto hospital in Detroit to save your sorry ass.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-09   22:20:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: jwpegler (#15)

Just like Canada. They have great health care system, until you are really sick. Then you cross the border and rely on a ghetto hospital in Detroit to save your sorry ass.

That's only for the same 1% Elite who are raping your nation right now.

And you can give me the definition of Bernanke's job now.

$600 Fucking Billion to his Wall St Buddies. Just like that.

Highway robbers.

And EVERY Canadian I've talked to LOVE their system. Unless you compare with the EU/Scandinavia.

And NO ONE is fighting for America's. A 1/3 World Nation with China firing missiles now 35 off LA and the Pentagon doing bullshit about it.

Single Payer Medicare/VA for ALL.

And I've know Many VA patients. None complain about the price. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-11-09   22:27:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: mcgowanjm (#17) (Edited)

That's only for the same 1% Elite

Nope. My sister is an emergency room nurse in Detroit. 40,000 Canadians cross the border every year and declare an "emergency" so that they can get help in an American hospital rather than sitting on a waiting list to die in Canada.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-09   22:30:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: jwpegler (#19)

Nope. My sister is an emergency room nurse in Detroit. 40,000 Canadians cross the border every year and declare an "emergency" so that they can get help in an American hospital rather than sitting on a waiting list to die in Canada.

Nope. More Americans cross into Canada.

From Seattle to N Dakota to Duluth to Buffalo.

Canada loses money on this exchange.

This is insane. The US will default as it's citizens get poorer by the day.

Our Life Expectancy is dropping as I type.

and a 'waiting list to die'. Please. I'll need specifics. Like Canada doesn't do hip surgery on 90 year olds.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-11-09   22:38:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: mcgowanjm (#22) (Edited)

More Americans cross into Canada.

To get healthcare services? No.

Cite it. Right now. Where's the reference? Right now. Show us.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-09   22:39:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: jwpegler (#24) (Edited)

More Americans cross into Canada.

To get healthcare services? No.

Cite it. Right now. Where's the reference? Right now. Show us.

44 - Palin says her family went to Canada for health care when she ... Mar 8, 2010 ... To this day more Americans go to Canada for health care than the reverse. .... in the US hence the reason to cross the border into Canada to ... voices.washingtonpost.com...-she-used-canadian-h.html Anything else? ;}

And I can get 100 Celebrex for $100 less. Free Shipping.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-11-09   22:41:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mcgowanjm (#26)

You said more Americans cross over to Canada to get healthcare services than Canadians who come to the U.S. to do the same.

Cite that statistic. Show us the reference. Right now.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-09   22:44:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: jwpegler (#27)

more Americans cross over to Canada to get healthcare services than Canadians who come to the U.S. to do the same.

Common sense.

Prescriptions alone make Group bus tours a Big $$$ Bizness.

More tomorrow. Hasta Manana.

8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-11-09   22:49:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mcgowanjm (#28) (Edited)

Common sense.

You are nothing but a bullshitter.

I won't respond to you any longer. just like lucy's mom. Maybe you two can form a liars club and spin each other into the ground.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-09   22:50:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: jwpegler (#29)

Common sense.

You are nothing but a bullshitter.

And Fuck You also. I told you that I was going to bed. Be back in the AM.

I didn't tell you that Google is no help when it comes to Comparisons of US/Other Health Systems(You have to know beforehand almost exactly what the article is before the search.

In other words, Google will not offend it's Host Nation. 8D

Now where was I. Oh yeah, telling you that Canada's System is better than ours.

Debunking myths about Canadian health care

Are Canadians flooding into the United States to get better health care? No. Are Canadian doctors immigrating to the United States to work for our health-care system? No. 2010

By Ezra Klein | October 12, 2010; 10:53 AM ET

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/10/debunking_myths_about_canadian.html

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