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Title: Juan Williams Sees Rove-vs.-Palin ‘Civil War’ Inside GOP
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/ ... sees-rove-palin-gop-civil-war/
Published: Nov 7, 2010
Author: David Edwards
Post Date: 2010-11-07 13:41:56 by Brian S
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The midterm elections brought big wins for the Republicans but they also exposed fractures within the party. Fox News' Juan Williams described Sunday what he called a "civil war" between the establishment Republicans and the tea party. "I think there is a civil war of sorts going on," Williams said. "We don't talk about it much -- between the Republican establishment and tea party people. It's Sarah Palin [vs.] Karl Rove if you want to personify it." In no place were the divisions as obvious during the mid-term elections as they were with opinions on Christine O'Donnell, the GOP's Senate candidate in Delaware. Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin endorsed O'Donnell during the primaries, which may have put the candidate over the top in winning the Republican endorsement. On the night that she won her primary victory, Rove told Fox News' Sean Hannity that O'Donnell was known for saying "nutty things." "This is not a race we're going to be able to win," Rove added. Following O'Donnell's loss in the general election, Rove said, "Look, it gave me no pleasure to say she was unlikely to win." "This again proves a lesson. This is a candidate right on the issues, but had mishandled a series of questions raised by the press early on in the race about her background and previous statements." Palin called out Rove by name after O'Donnell's loss. "I look forward to Karl Rove and others looking at...reporting that exit polls are showing that Mike Castle would have even lost to Chris Coons," she said on Fox News. "There was never any guarantee that a hard-core conservative would win in a deep blue state like Delaware." But Rove's viewpoint may be representative of other establishment Republicans who weren't fond of O'Donnell. "I think Delaware was a missed opportunity to have a really good United States senator, Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday. Rove and Palin also clashed over the former governor's new reality show. Rove told the Telegraph that he failed to see how a reality show helped Palin make a serious run at the presidency in 2012. "There are high standards that the American people have for [the presidency] and they require a certain level of gravitas, and they want to look at the candidate and say 'that candidate is doing things that gives me confidence that they are up to the most demanding job in the world,'" he said. The next week, Palin compared herself to another entertainer, President Ronald Reagan, to defend her new show. "Those standards have to be high for someone who would ever want to run for president like, um, wasn't Ronald Reagan an actor? Wasn't he in Bedtime for Bonzo, bozo or something? Ronald Reagan was an actor," she said. "Now look. I'm not in a reality show. I have eight episodes documenting Alaska's resources, what it is that we can contribute to the rest of US to economically and physically secure our union, and my family comes along for the ride because I am family, family is us, and my family comes along on the ride to document these eight episodes for The Learning Channel. ... So Karl is wrong right there in calling it a reality show," she said. This video is from Fox's Fox News Sunday, broadcast Nov. 7, 2010.
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#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)
He said no such thing. Yes,he did. I saw it and heard it the night he was on.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
He said he wasn't supporting anyone at the moment. paraphrase
Quit clowning around with the DELETED.
Fuck you.
Got a hardon for Stoney, eh faggot freddie? Go for it, homo!
No,his answer to the direct question "Is Sarah Palin presidential material,and do you consider her to be a front runner in 2012?",McLunatic laughed and said "No". He then added something along the line of "She's just not ready."
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I think you are lying or have a bad memory. How about some proof. You made the claim so it is up to you to prove it.
You don't insult the host. Bye. I may let you back in, I may not. Tired of wasting my time on you.
It's more than just a wage issue. It's also about excess taxes and regulations. Intel has said that 25% of the cost of building a new $4 billion fab in the U.S. is due to government taxes and regulations. So, they are building fabs in Taiwan and China instead. Maybe it wasn't such a big deal when textile manufacturing when to China. In an emergency, it's pretty easy to throw some suing machines in a room and make cloths. You can't build clean rooms overnights to produce microprocessors. Letting high-tech manufacturing migrate overseas is a huge deal for the future of this country. Brain dead politicians are clearly to blame.
Oh come on, there are 3 or 4 politicians / ex-politicians that are clearly tea party leaders. Dick Armey, Jim DeMint, Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, now Rand Paul, and maybe one or two others. Of the bunch, Palin did more to help the movement in the last year than anyone else.
I think you need to kiss my ass,RINO Boy. You made the claim so it is up to you to prove it. Fuck you. YOU made the claim I am lying,so YOU do your own work to search out a video clip of the show and prove it. *I* watched the show. You didn't.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Laura Ingram was singing Rand Paul's praises on Fox & Friends this morning because of some interview he did this weekend. She he's smart, articulate, detailed in his answers, can handle the press, and dedicated to changing things. She thinks he is going to be a conservative rock star. I believe she is right.
You can NOT say you "adore John McCain and support him 100%." and be anything other than a RINO. Period. As for Dick Armey,the SOB is trying to jump ahead of the pack so he can take over for his globalist RINO buddies and destroy it from inside. He talks a good talk,but he is a big government fascist to his rotten core.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That is very true. Here's an example: Traditionally, a captain commanded a ship. An Admiral commanded a fleet of ships. Today, there are more Admirals in the Navy than ships. WHY????? The military has become a big inefficient government bureaucracy, just like every other big inefficient government bureaucracy. Throwing money at these bureaucrats is not enhancing our national security. In fact, it's detracting from it. There are a growing number of people on the right who get this, and not just the new comers. Tom Coburn is one of the most conservative people in the senate. He has also been pushing for cuts in the military budget as part of Obama's deficit commission.
Period. This was nothing more than her paying him back for propelling her to the national stage. You don't stab someone in the back who helped your career. Because if you do so, no one will trust you and help you again. It's no different than in business. It doesn't mean you have to agree with them on the issues or vote the way they want you. I've helped a lot of people's careers over the years when I was in big business. Now that I'm on my own, if I need an introduction or a recommendation I go right back to the people I've helped and ask them to do it for me. They do. It's the way successful people operate -- by creating and leveraging relationships.
I've helped a lot of people's careers over the years when I was in big business. Now that I'm on my own, if I need an introduction or a recommendation I go right back to the people I've helped and ask them to do it for me. They do. It's the way successful people operate -- by creating and leveraging relationships. You have just described the "good ol' boy" network perfectly. You want it to continue, yet hope for a different result. Insanity. You have made very clear that Palin's loyalty is to the powers that be, and not to America, its Constitution, or its people.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
And speaking of war. Just a btw, if anyone lives in California. Monday 5 pm Mystery Missile Launch 35 miles off the West Coast seen by millions. And yet, not a word til now.
He did not say this, sneaky.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
So you are praying to the Aqua Buddah? :-)
he's referring to this: April 14, 2009: That cost him any chance of beating Paul. Weird you would bring it up, given it was THE most disasterous political campaign decision of the entire cycle.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Who's poised to lead the Republican party out of the woods? John McCain seems convinced that one GOP notable is not the person for the job, someone he's quite familiar with - his former running mate. On Monday's "Tonight Show," Jay Leno asked the Arizona Senator to name the new guiding lights of the Republican party, and McCain was quick to rattle off a list of "young, dynamic" governors around the country. Palin wasn't one of them. McCain singled out Lousisana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Florida Gov. Charlie Christ, Minnesota's Tim Pawlenty, and Mitt Romney, McCain's chief rival for the Republican presidential nod in 2008. In case anyone missed his conspicuous omission of Palin, McCain then added, "And I've left out somebody's name, and I'm gonna hear about it." Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/04/14/2009-04-14_john_mccainsarah_palin_rift_grows_wider_as_sen_leaves_former_running_mate_off_li.html#ixzz14nlapI8O McCain has made it plain the wool she pulled over his eyes is gone. He does not think her qualified or presidential timber. You are correct, Stone - as usual - is politically delusional.
Post this quote by mccain, and the link, where he said (exactly)'she's not qualified'...
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
A democrat wasn't going to win in Kentucky. What the GOP proved in this cycle was tea party nuts can only win in deep red states.
rotflmao. Riiiight. It was all those evil gun and bible clingers....(eyes rolling)
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Tell me how excluding her from his list of presidential possibles and then sarcastically noting he willfully excluded her is anything but saying she is not presidential timber. All you do here in the face of the obvious is play the child who will scream and take her toys and go home if something is not said exactly as she wants the message. The inability to see the obvious is your affliction, not mine. Besides; all I did was dig up what Pete was referring to. I already knew Palin is not a good choice for the presidency. And ultimately, my opinion which is in concordance with McCain's on her regarding qualification for that office is what I care about. I have known Pete since the mid nineties, and he is a shrewd judge of political and social things, and has the reputation of meaning what he says. No one who knows Pete takes accusations he tells lies seriously, he is too well known as someone who refuses to fib. But people are used to seeing you let your emotions overload your brain pan and go into a hissy fit of rage. Call whom you wish to a liar if you want to. People consider the source; and Pete has a far better reputation in forums than you ever will. ;-D
This was nothing more than her paying him back for propelling her to the national stage. She paid him back by pulling in enough votes that he didn't lose the election by Biblical proportions. Most of the people I know that voted for him ONLY voted for him because she was his running mate. You don't stab someone in the back who helped your career. He did. He was stabbing her in the back within days of the election being over.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You ought to compare polling numbers before and after he selected her. He ended up doing worse with her then he was doing without her, she was a negative draw on his campaign.
He did not say this, sneaky. You are right. He merely smiled and said "No." when Leno asked him if Palin were qualified to be a presidential front runner and maybe president in 2012.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And Leno asked a follow up question and named Palin by name.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You are giving Murron a nervous breakdown because she's not getting this message in the exact wording she wants. And she's refusing the peace offering of a Midol tablet. She's making all of us who know you laugh ourselves silly by calling you a liar. Thanks for sparking the unintended and very amusing sideshow.
If she were as politically aware as the Palinites claim she is she would BRAG about that.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Exactly.
Yeah,I know that is the mantra of the neo-cons and their brothers of the left,but it just ain't so no matter how much the press tried to push it. The game was set up for McLunatic to lose to the Chocolate Messiah,and the ruling elite were happy and had things going their way. They even approved of him picking the "nobody from nowhere" as a running mate because she was unknown and inexperienced in national politics. Then she started hitting the ball out of the ballpark when attacking Barry Soetoro,and the ticket she was on was starting to gain traction. Actually I "spoke" (wrote?) too soon. McLunatic started stabbing her in the back BEFORE the election was over. EVERY time she would give a speech and slam Barry over his his incompetence and stupidity,McLunatic would jump in front of a microphone and apologize for her. I lost every speck of respect I had for her when she started defending that treasonous bastard after the election was over,and even supported his Senate re-election campaign. There just ain't no excuse for that. Even IF you buy the "loyalty to the man who put her on the map" nonsense,you are applauding somebody that puts loyalty to self ahead of loyalty to the country and the Constitution. As I wrote earlier,there just ain't no excuse for that.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
It was Stone that called me a liar,not her.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)
You have a link to that? To McCain telling the entire world he made a horrific choice, especialy given his advanced age and well documented medical ailments?
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
sneaky, Every poll showed a huge bump for McCain after he nominated her, especially among Republicans/Conservatives. Its not 'mantra' its documented fact. Look it up for yourself.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
You are willfully stupid, aren't you?
And then a huge fall-off as people got to know her. See favorability ratings below: And from an NBC/WSJ poll on October 28th:
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestHe back stabbed her within days by saying she wasn't qualified to run for president on the Tonight Show.
#55. To: sneakypete (#54)
#56. To: Fred Mertz (#53)
#57. To: A K A Stone (#56)
#58. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone (#57)
Fuck you.
#59. To: A K A Stone (#55)
He said he wasn't supporting anyone at the moment. paraphrase
#60. To: sneakypete (#59)
#61. To: Fred Mertz (#57)
#62. To: A K A Stone (#24)
They undercut our wages and our people are out of work.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#63. To: sneakypete (#25)
she is NOT a Tea Party "leader" in any respect.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#64. To: A K A Stone (#60)
I think you are lying or have a bad memory.
#65. To: go65 (#28)
he'll change his tune the minute he gets to D.C., just as he already did on the civil rights act and medicare.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#66. To: jwpegler (#63)
(Edited)
Oh come on, there are 3 or 4 politicians / ex-politicians that are clearly tea party leaders. Dick Armey, Jim DeMint, Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, now Rand Paul, and maybe one or two others.
#67. To: sneakypete (#31)
(Edited)
Very few people are more pro-military than me,but their budgeting now has more to do with buying votes for select politicians than it does defending the country.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#68. To: sneakypete (#66)
(Edited)
You can NOT say you "adore John McCain and support him 100%." and be anything other than a RINO.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#69. To: jwpegler, sneakypete (#68)
This was nothing more than her paying him back for propelling her to the national stage.
#70. To: jwpegler, All (#68)
#71. To: sneakypete (#51)
He back stabbed her within days by saying she wasn't qualified to run for president on the Tonight Show.
#72. To: jwpegler (#65)
I believe she is right.
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#73. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete, badeye (#52)
He back stabbed her within days by saying she wasn't qualified to run for president on the Tonight Show.
On Monday's "Tonight Show," Jay Leno asked the Arizona Senator to name the new guiding lights of the Republican party, and McCain was quick to rattle off a list of "young, dynamic" governors around the country.
Palin wasn't one of them.
McCain singled out Lousisana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Florida Gov. Charlie Christ, Minnesota's Tim Pawlenty, and Mitt Romney, McCain's chief rival for the Republican presidential nod in 2008.
In case anyone missed his conspicuous omission of Palin, McCain then added, "And I've left out somebody's name, and I'm gonna hear about it."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/04/14/2009-04- 14_john_mccainsarah_palin_rift_grows_wider_as_sen_leaves_former_running_mate_off_li.html#ixzz14nk rJRWn
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#74. To: go65 (#72)
So you are praying to the Aqua Buddah?
#75. To: sneakypete (#54)
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#75)
"He does not think her qualified.."
#77. To: Badeye (#74)
That cost him any chance of beating Paul. Weird you would bring it up, given it was THE most disasterous political campaign decision of the entire cycle.
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#78. To: go65 (#77)
A democrat wasn't going to win in Kentucky
#79. To: Murron (#76)
(Edited)
"Post this quote by mccain, and the link, where he said (exactly)'she's not qualified'..."
#80. To: jwpegler (#68)
#81. To: sneakypete (#80)
She paid him back by pulling in enough votes that he didn't lose the election by Biblical proportions. Most of the people I know that voted for him ONLY voted for him because she was his running mate.
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#82. To: Badeye (#71)
He back stabbed her within days by saying she wasn't qualified to run for president on the Tonight Show.
#83. To: go65 (#73)
In case anyone missed his conspicuous omission of Palin, McCain then added, "And I've left out somebody's name, and I'm gonna hear about it."
#84. To: sneakypete (#80)
#85. To: Ferret Mike (#75)
McCain has made it plain the wool she pulled over his eyes is gone. He does not think her qualified or presidential timber.
#86. To: sneakypete (#85)
If she were as politically aware as the Palinites claim she is she would BRAG about that.
#87. To: go65 (#81)
You ought to compare polling numbers before and after he selected her. He ended up doing worse with her then he was doing without her, she was a negative draw on his campaign.
#88. To: Ferret Mike, AKA Stone, Murron (#84)
She's making all of us who know you laugh ourselves silly by calling you a liar.
#89. To: sneakypete (#54)
#90. To: sneakypete (#82)
You are right. He merely smiled and said "No." when Leno asked him if Palin were qualified to be a presidential front runner and maybe president in 2012.
#91. To: sneakypete (#87)
Yeah,I know that is the mantra of the neo-cons and their brothers of the left,but it just ain't so no matter how much the press tried to push it.
#92. To: go65 (#81)
she was a negative draw on his campaign
#93. To: Badeyel sneakypete (#91)
(Edited)
Every poll showed a huge bump for McCain after he nominated her, especially among Republicans/Conservatives.
In addition, for the first time, more voters have a negative opinion of her than a positive one. In the survey, 47 percent view her negatively, versus 38 percent who see her in a positive light.
That's a striking shift since McCain chose Palin as his running mate in early September, when she held a 47 to 27 percent positive rating.
Palin's qualifications to be president now rank as voters' top concern about John McCain's candidacy - "ahead of continuing President Bush's policies, enacting economic policies that only benefit the rich and keeping too high of a troop presence in Iraq,"
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
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