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Title: Juan Williams Sees Rove-vs.-Palin ‘Civil War’ Inside GOP
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/ ... sees-rove-palin-gop-civil-war/
Published: Nov 7, 2010
Author: David Edwards
Post Date: 2010-11-07 13:41:56 by Brian S
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The midterm elections brought big wins for the Republicans but they also exposed fractures within the party. Fox News' Juan Williams described Sunday what he called a "civil war" between the establishment Republicans and the tea party. "I think there is a civil war of sorts going on," Williams said. "We don't talk about it much -- between the Republican establishment and tea party people. It's Sarah Palin [vs.] Karl Rove if you want to personify it." In no place were the divisions as obvious during the mid-term elections as they were with opinions on Christine O'Donnell, the GOP's Senate candidate in Delaware. Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin endorsed O'Donnell during the primaries, which may have put the candidate over the top in winning the Republican endorsement. On the night that she won her primary victory, Rove told Fox News' Sean Hannity that O'Donnell was known for saying "nutty things." "This is not a race we're going to be able to win," Rove added. Following O'Donnell's loss in the general election, Rove said, "Look, it gave me no pleasure to say she was unlikely to win." "This again proves a lesson. This is a candidate right on the issues, but had mishandled a series of questions raised by the press early on in the race about her background and previous statements." Palin called out Rove by name after O'Donnell's loss. "I look forward to Karl Rove and others looking at...reporting that exit polls are showing that Mike Castle would have even lost to Chris Coons," she said on Fox News. "There was never any guarantee that a hard-core conservative would win in a deep blue state like Delaware." But Rove's viewpoint may be representative of other establishment Republicans who weren't fond of O'Donnell. "I think Delaware was a missed opportunity to have a really good United States senator, Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday. Rove and Palin also clashed over the former governor's new reality show. Rove told the Telegraph that he failed to see how a reality show helped Palin make a serious run at the presidency in 2012. "There are high standards that the American people have for [the presidency] and they require a certain level of gravitas, and they want to look at the candidate and say 'that candidate is doing things that gives me confidence that they are up to the most demanding job in the world,'" he said. The next week, Palin compared herself to another entertainer, President Ronald Reagan, to defend her new show. "Those standards have to be high for someone who would ever want to run for president like, um, wasn't Ronald Reagan an actor? Wasn't he in Bedtime for Bonzo, bozo or something? Ronald Reagan was an actor," she said. "Now look. I'm not in a reality show. I have eight episodes documenting Alaska's resources, what it is that we can contribute to the rest of US to economically and physically secure our union, and my family comes along for the ride because I am family, family is us, and my family comes along on the ride to document these eight episodes for The Learning Channel. ... So Karl is wrong right there in calling it a reality show," she said. This video is from Fox's Fox News Sunday, broadcast Nov. 7, 2010.
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#6. To: sneakypete (#5)
You must have never been to tea party event. They Love Palin.
Laughable how the mainstream media is pretending this is something 'new' or 'odd'. This is how it goes after EACH election cycle, especially when part of the Congress changes Majority control. Its minor jockeying for position. The really interesting fight is within the Democrats House caucus, with the brain dead Pelosi insisting she be retained despite a history making massacre last Tuesday. Personally, I'm more than happy with the three headed uber liberal beast of Pelosi, Reid and Owe-bama. Pass the popcorn.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Cristie is another one like Palin who talks tough, and then endorses liberal anti-American globalists like Castle and McCain. Party before principle, or are they just globalist traitors at heart? Either way, they're not worth a damn.
I think the jury is still out on Palin. Time will tell.
Hmmm. I don't think it is. She did what was necessary politically with an eye towards her future as it relates to 2012. If she hadn't endorsed McCain - and I think you know I hate that little self righteous prick - it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I certainly wouldn't lump Chris Christie with Karl Rove. Christie has cut the New Jersey budget by 9% across the board. That wasn't a cut in projected spending. It was a real cut in year over year spending. Doing that at the federal level would mean that the government would spend $320 billion less next year than this year. Rove on the other hand was the primary architect of Bush's attempt to buy the senior citizen vote with Medicare part D, which will run a $1 trillion deficit over the next 10 years. Christie is a good guy. Rove is a big government moron.
I like Palin. I will vote for her if she wins the nomination. I'd rather have a Rand Paul though. When I say the jury is out what I am saying is that we can't really know her views unless she is elected and we get to see what she does. I know she would do a better job then the unqualified Obama.
...cuts the New Jersey budget -- a real cut, not a "cut" in projected spending.
There is no fight there. Pelosi would not have announced she wants to be minority leader if she didn't already have the votes locked in. There might be a fight for the number 2 spot, but Pelosi will be minority leader.
If she was going to compromise, she'd have done so already in my view.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Given she 'announced' last Monday the Dems would retain the House, pardon me if I doubt her grasp of 'reality' here, jw. That said...probably correct. All that survived last Tuesday are hardcore leftwingnuts.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Heath Schuler is a hardcore leftwingnut? Chuckle.
All that survived last Tuesday are hardcore leftwingnuts. Heath Schuler is a hardcore leftwingnut? Is he as far left as the average Dem that survived the massacre? By a small matter of degree, maybe you can make that argument. See his voting record and how it kow tows to Pelosi the past two years. The voting record is the record that matters.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
See his voting record and how it kow tows to Pelosi the past two years. http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=57781
Maybe we have different standards. If we want jobs back dump NAFTA GATT etc. Put tariffs on imports. Is Palin a free trader? I hope not but suspect she probably is. They also need to end these stupid wars that are helping to bankrupt us. Everything needs to be on the table as far as spending cuts go. Those are my main concerns that I think Palin will be on the opposite side of. Except maybe the spending cuts.
FYI: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/07/AR2010070704809.html ------- None of the above would help the US economy. In fact it would make it worse.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I like Rand Pauls idea better. Everything on the table.
We are already losing the trade war. They undercut our wages and our people are out of work. Time to end the global trade agreements and the world trade organization and start looking after our people. How can it be any worse? If we put tariffs on foreign goods and they retaliate so what. They are already beating us with their slave wages. We need things made in the USA if we are to remain prosperous. It gives companies to bring the jobs back here. Face it the economy started going bad after all these globalist ideas. That is the root problem.
You must have never been to tea party event. You're right. I haven't. They Love Palin. Some do and some don't,but she is NOT a Tea Party "leader" in any respect. She is a Republican and is more of a neo-con RINO than she is a conservative. Yeah,she has endorsed some good TP candidates,and a couple of loons like O'Donnell,but so what. That doesn't make her management. The only truly conservative positive political thing that can be said about her is that she is pro-2nd Amendment. She can't possibly have a pro-TP outlook when their main focus is on fiscal conservatism,and she wants amnesty (but not "total" amnesty) for illegal aliens.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
How is O'Donnell a loon?
Either way, they're not worth a damn. Because it needs to be said again. If Palin doesn't run in 2012,I have no doubt she will endorse The Huckster. After all,he was a fundie preacher.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
he'll change his tune the minute he gets to D.C., just as he already did on the civil rights act and medicare.
Think about what you just wrote,and the explain to me how we are supposed to change things and save the Republic by working within the RINO Party? The ONLY way to "work within" the party is to be subservient to the RINO leadership,which she has really done a bang-up job of doing,but while that may benefit HER,all that gets us is more of the same.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You don't REALLY think that Palin has any interest in ending a Holy War,do you? Every word I have heard her say about the current disasters is pro-War/Onward Christian Soldiers.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And it should be. Very few people are more pro-military than me,but their budgeting now has more to do with buying votes for select politicians than it does defending the country. Hell,they get major items like aircraft they don't even want because they happen to be built in a state or city where a prominent politician calls home. Then they don't get the things they want and need because the money has already been spent buying votes.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Uhhh,scientists breeding animals with humans in labs? Not to mention the whole religious loon End Times BullBarack.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Time to end the global trade agreements and the world trade organization and start looking after our people. Ending NAFTA and GATT will only excerbate the situation. And we aren't in a 'trade war' thank God, cause we'd lose as things stand today. We have the second highest corporate tax rate on the planet. We have one of the highest paid workforces IN HISTORY. Those two are the two primary reasons manufacturing went kaput here in America. Toss in the insane demands of unions, and the end game was predictable as the sun rising in the east.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
That's like saying that Ike had to endorse Hitler in order to beat him. If she is truly NOT a RINO, she will go NOWHERE working WITHIN the GOP. Palin lost a HUGE amount of support by endorsing McCain. Refresh my memory. Did Rand Paul support McCain? Wasn't he just elected? How many of the recently elected tea party candidates endorsed McCain?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years. Think about what you just wrote,and the explain to me how we are supposed to change things and save the Republic by working within the RINO Party? Palin gets nowhere if she doesn't first support those few that gave her an opportunity to walk on to the national stage. McCain doesn't run the GOP, sneaky. He was going to beat JD Hayworth no matter who said what, primarily because JD was a hypocrite, but also seriously outgunned in that race against McCain. Palin's backing McCain didn't change a single vote in that race. But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES. At least thats how its supposed to work. You have to gain control of the party before you can change its direction. Thats happening NOW, but there is another election cycle or two before it can be accomplished. The new GOP office holders coming into the House is an amazing start.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Spare me the drama queen 'hitler' analogies.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
So, you're saying she was lying when she said she supported McCain?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Palin lost a HUGE amount of support by endorsing McCain. Refresh my memory. Did Rand Paul support McCain? Wasn't he just elected? How many of the recently elected tea party candidates endorsed McCain?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
So, the RINO party will be the arbiter of when "her time has come?"
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Palin's backing McCain didn't change a single vote in that race. But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES. So, you're saying she was lying when she said she supported McCain? Did I say that? No.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Really? As measured...how, exactly? She drew huge crowds, raised tons of cash for the GOP AND those she endorsed, 71% of whom WON.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I'm a Conservative by choice, a Republican in Name Only. There are lots of different 'RINO's', some of us belong to the GOP because its the only viable options for Conservatives that want to actually affect things, rather than just beat our chests and claim 'purity' from the sidelines. I have a huge problem with so called 'moderates' and an even bigger issue with the old boy network types like Mitch McConnell in the GOP. But knowing 'how things work' I realize the McConnell's of the GOP are going to be replaced sooner rather than later, if for no other reason than age. The new batch resulting from the Tea Party influence has a great opportunity to remake the Republican Party, bring it back to its roots of smaller government, less interference in the daily lives of average Americans, less taxation and regulation. If all you want to do is throw rocks through the windows of the GOP...while I can understand the urge, I don't think its productive long term. Been there, done that. Look what we got from it. The only alternative is to change it from within. Maybe its a forelorn hope, but maybe not. I like what I'm seeing today as a result of this election cycle. To me, its encouraging.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
The new GOP office holders coming into the House is an amazing start. You're wasting keystrokes attempting to educate the lunatic fringe.
Palin endorsed Rand Paul.
You actually admit it anyway fishlips. Now admit that you're a neo-con.
You don't have to admit that you are a clueless faggot, freddie, we all know it.
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#7. To: Brian S (#0)
#8. To: A K A Stone (#3)
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Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday.
#9. To: hondo68 (#8)
#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)
#11. To: Brian S (#0)
(Edited)
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said...
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#12. To: Badeye (#10)
#13. To: hondo68 (#8)
Cristie is another one like Palin who talks tough, and then...
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#14. To: Badeye (#7)
(Edited)
The really interesting fight is within the Democrats House caucus, with the brain dead Pelosi insisting she be retained despite a history making massacre last Tuesday.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
#15. To: A K A Stone (#12)
#16. To: jwpegler (#14)
There is no fight there. Pelosi would not have announced she wants to be minority leader if she didn't already have the votes locked in.
#17. To: Badeye (#16)
All that survived last Tuesday are hardcore leftwingnuts.
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#18. To: go65 (#17)
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#19. To: Badeye (#18)
Is he as far left as the average Dem that survived the massacre? By a small matter of degree, maybe you can make that argument.
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#20. To: Badeye (#15)
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
Those are my main concerns that I think Palin will be on the opposite side of. Except maybe the spending cuts.
Sarah Palin is waging a battle inside the "tea party" movement to exempt defense spending from the group's small-government, anti-deficit fervor.
"Secretary Gates recently spoke about the future of the U.S. Navy. He said we have to ask whether the nation can really afford a Navy that relies on $3 [billion] to $6 billion destroyers, $7 billion submarines and $11 billion carriers. He went on to ask, 'Do we really need . . . more strike groups for another 30 years when no other country has more than one?' " Palin said. "Well, my answer is pretty simple: Yes, we can and yes, we do, because we must."
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#22. To: A K A Stone (#20)
If we want jobs back dump NAFTA GATT etc. Put tariffs on imports.
#23. To: go65 (#21)
#24. To: Badeye (#22)
#25. To: A K A Stone (#6)
#26. To: sneakypete (#25)
Yeah,she has endorsed some good TP candidates,and a couple of loons like O'Donnell,
#27. To: hondo68 (#8)
Cristie is another one like Palin who talks tough, and then endorses liberal anti-American globalists like Castle and McCain. Party before principle, or are they just globalist traitors at heart?
#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)
I like Rand Pauls idea better. Everything on the table.
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#29. To: Badeye (#10)
it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#20)
They also need to end these stupid wars that are helping to bankrupt us.
#31. To: A K A Stone (#23)
I like Rand Pauls idea better. Everything on the table.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#26)
How is O'Donnell a loon?
#33. To: A K A Stone (#24)
We are already losing the trade war. They undercut our wages and our people are out of work.
#34. To: Badeye (#10)
If she hadn't endorsed McCain ... it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years.
#35. To: sneakypete (#29)
#36. To: Wood_Chopper (#34)
That's like saying that Ike had to endorse Hitler in order to beat him.
#37. To: Badeye (#35)
Palin's backing McCain didn't change a single vote in that race. But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES.
#38. To: Badeye (#36)
#39. To: Badeye (#35)
But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES.
#40. To: Wood_Chopper (#37)
#41. To: Wood_Chopper (#38)
Palin lost a HUGE amount of support by endorsing McCain.
#42. To: Wood_Chopper (#39)
So, the RINO party will be the arbiter of when "her time has come?"
#43. To: Badeye, sneakypete (#35)
You have to gain control of the party before you can change its direction. Thats happening NOW, but there is another election cycle or two before it can be accomplished.
#44. To: Wood_Chopper, Badeye (#38)
Did Rand Paul support McCain? Wasn't he just elected?
#45. To: Badeye (#42)
I'm a Conservative by choice, a Republican in Name Only.
#46. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
You actually admit it
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