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Title: Juan Williams Sees Rove-vs.-Palin ‘Civil War’ Inside GOP
Source: RawStory
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/ ... sees-rove-palin-gop-civil-war/
Published: Nov 7, 2010
Author: David Edwards
Post Date: 2010-11-07 13:41:56 by Brian S
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Comments: 165

The midterm elections brought big wins for the Republicans but they also exposed fractures within the party. Fox News' Juan Williams described Sunday what he called a "civil war" between the establishment Republicans and the tea party.

"I think there is a civil war of sorts going on," Williams said. "We don't talk about it much -- between the Republican establishment and tea party people. It's Sarah Palin [vs.] Karl Rove if you want to personify it."

In no place were the divisions as obvious during the mid-term elections as they were with opinions on Christine O'Donnell, the GOP's Senate candidate in Delaware.

Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin endorsed O'Donnell during the primaries, which may have put the candidate over the top in winning the Republican endorsement.

On the night that she won her primary victory, Rove told Fox News' Sean Hannity that O'Donnell was known for saying "nutty things."

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"This is not a race we're going to be able to win," Rove added.

Following O'Donnell's loss in the general election, Rove said, "Look, it gave me no pleasure to say she was unlikely to win."

"This again proves a lesson. This is a candidate right on the issues, but had mishandled a series of questions raised by the press early on in the race about her background and previous statements."

Palin called out Rove by name after O'Donnell's loss. "I look forward to Karl Rove and others looking at...reporting that exit polls are showing that Mike Castle would have even lost to Chris Coons," she said on Fox News. "There was never any guarantee that a hard-core conservative would win in a deep blue state like Delaware."

But Rove's viewpoint may be representative of other establishment Republicans who weren't fond of O'Donnell.

"I think Delaware was a missed opportunity to have a really good United States senator, Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday.

Rove and Palin also clashed over the former governor's new reality show. Rove told the Telegraph that he failed to see how a reality show helped Palin make a serious run at the presidency in 2012.

"There are high standards that the American people have for [the presidency] and they require a certain level of gravitas, and they want to look at the candidate and say 'that candidate is doing things that gives me confidence that they are up to the most demanding job in the world,'" he said.

The next week, Palin compared herself to another entertainer, President Ronald Reagan, to defend her new show. "Those standards have to be high for someone who would ever want to run for president like, um, wasn't Ronald Reagan an actor? Wasn't he in Bedtime for Bonzo, bozo or something? Ronald Reagan was an actor," she said.

"Now look. I'm not in a reality show. I have eight episodes documenting Alaska's resources, what it is that we can contribute to the rest of US to economically and physically secure our union, and my family comes along for the ride because I am family, family is us, and my family comes along on the ride to document these eight episodes for The Learning Channel. ... So Karl is wrong right there in calling it a reality show," she said.

This video is from Fox's Fox News Sunday, broadcast Nov. 7, 2010.

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#107. To: meguro (#105)

That racist prick? Never.

Temper,temper,Princess.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-10   0:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: sneakypete (#106)

Not especially,although I would have jumped her bones if I had a chance. She is a good-looking woman,and I like women.

You'd probably jump anything with a pulse at this stage of your life.

meguro  posted on  2010-11-10   7:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: meguro (#108)

You'd probably jump anything with a pulse at this stage of your life.

Nope. For one thing,it has to be a woman and the woman has to be either physically or intellectually attractive to me. A woman that is pretty and has a good and curious mind hits it out of the ballpark.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-10   8:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Wood_Chopper (#69)

You have just described the "good ol' boy" network perfectly.

Absolutely not. I've described helping good people with their careers.


"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-10   9:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: meguro (#108)

"You'd probably jump anything with a pulse at this stage of your life".

Coming from a filthy, gender confused, perverted sodomite, that's hilarious...in a sick sort of way!

"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee

Murron  posted on  2010-11-10   9:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: sneakypete (#100)

Every poll showed a huge bump for McCain after he nominated her, especially among Republicans/Conservatives. Yeah,that's what I wrote.

But it seems to be exactly opposite of what you suggested.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-10   9:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Badeye (#112)

But it seems to be exactly opposite of what you suggested.

Only to you.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-10   13:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: sneakypete (#113)

You must be filtering then.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-10   13:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: sneakypete (#100)

Every poll showed a huge bump for McCain after he nominated her, especially among Republicans/Conservatives. Yeah,that's what I wrote.

yes, huge bump, until she opened her mouth.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-11-10   14:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: go65 (#115)

yes, huge bump, until she opened her mouth.

As usual,you have it backwards. Every time she opened her mouth,McLunatic's ratings went up. Until the media bitched and he jumped in front of a microphone to apologize for what she had said.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-10   14:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: sneakypete (#116)

As usual,you have it backwards. Every time she opened her mouth,McLunatic's ratings went up. Until the media bitched and he jumped in front of a microphone to apologize for what she had said.

go back and watch her interview with Katie Couric.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-11-10   15:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: go65 (#117)

go back and watch her interview with Katie Couric.

That bitch set her up. What would you say if someone asked you what newspapers and magazines you read, huh?

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-11-10   15:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Skip Intro (#118)

Consumer Reports. The new issue came in today's mail.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-11-10   15:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Fred Mertz (#119)

Consumer Reports. The new issue came in today's mail.

Finally going to get that 3D TV?

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-11-10   16:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Skip Intro (#118)

That bitch set her up. What would you say if someone asked you what newspapers and magazines you read, huh?

I'd answer it in about 2 seconds - ESPN, Newsweek, The Washington Post, Scouter, and Life Extension.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-11-10   16:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Fred Mertz (#119)

Consumer Reports. The new issue came in today's mail.

i stopped reading it but i still subscribe to the web site. I've usually found that the products they review are often obsolete by the time the magazine is published.

Though I will say that thanks to them we bought a front-loader washer 8 years ago and couldn't be happier.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-11-10   16:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: go65 (#122)

After about 10 straight years subscribing to Consumer Reports I decided to not renew it. I page through it and sometimes focus on an area of interest or two. It's been like a security blanket - if I need it it's there. Well, the local library has it if I need it.

I think it's in my genes...my dad always subscribed and still does as far as I know. I never did sign up for their online services.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-11-10   16:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Fred Mertz (#123)

It's been like a security blanket

Much like your bottle of 80 proof rotgut.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-10   16:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: go65 (#117)

go back and watch her interview with Katie Couric.

It seems to mean more to you and your fellow leftists that she didn't appear to read national newspapers and magazines than the fact that Barry Soetoro seems to have became a lawyer without taking a single test or writing a single paper.

As for me,I consider that ambush journalism by Kommie Katie. Hell,*I* haven't read a newspaper in decades. I get my news from the web.

I suspect you do,too.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-10   17:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Skip Intro, go65 (#118)

What would you say if someone asked you what newspapers and magazines you read, huh?

He would say "Pravda" (NYT),Salon,and Rolling Stone.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-10   17:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: sneakypete, Skip Intro, go65 (#126)

He would say "Pravda" (NYT),Salon,and Rolling Stone.

Don't forget HuffPo.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-10   17:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: sneakypete (#125) (Edited)

It seems to mean more to you and your fellow leftists that she didn't appear to read national newspapers and magazines than the fact that Barry Soetoro seems to have became a lawyer without taking a single test or writing a single paper.

It meant a lot to a lot of voters, which is why McCain's showing in November was worse than his polling BEFORE he selected her.

NBC/WSJ poll on October 28th:

In addition, for the first time, more voters have a negative opinion of her than a positive one. In the survey, 47 percent view her negatively, versus 38 percent who see her in a positive light.

That's a striking shift since McCain chose Palin as his running mate in early September, when she held a 47 to 27 percent positive rating.

Palin's qualifications to be president now rank as voters' top concern about John McCain's candidacy - "ahead of continuing President Bush's policies, enacting economic policies that only benefit the rich and keeping too high of a troop presence in Iraq,"


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-11-10   18:32:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: go65 (#128)

It meant a lot to a lot of voters, which is why McCain's showing in November was worse than his polling BEFORE he selected her.

It is the economy, STUPID!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-10   18:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Murron (#111)

Coming from a filthy, gender confused, perverted sodomite, that's hilarious...in a sick sort of way!

Do you hate figs too? Personally, I love those Fig Newtons!

meguro  posted on  2010-11-10   20:36:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: meguro (#130)

Personally, I love those Fig Newtons!

You don't look Japanese!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-10   20:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: sneakypete (#109)

For one thing,it has to be a woman and the woman has to be either physically or intellectually attractive to me. A woman that is pretty and has a good and curious mind hits it out of the ballpark.

Given how fascinated you are with both Bush and Obama's sexualities, I have my doubts.

meguro  posted on  2010-11-10   23:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: meguro (#132)

Given how fascinated you are with both Bush and Obama's sexualities, I have my doubts.

Since when is noticing the obvious a fascination?

I mention when it's raining too,but that doesn't make me a weatherman.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-11   10:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: jwpegler (#110)

You have just described the "good ol' boy" network perfectly.

Absolutely not. I've described helping good people with their careers.

So Palin was just helping someone she thinks is "good people" with his career.

Now you're taking my side of the argument. Palin thinks McCain is "good people."

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-11   10:59:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Ibluafartsky (#44)

Palin endorsed Rand Paul.

Palin endorsed McCain.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-12   18:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Wood_Chopper (#135)

Palin endorsed McCain.

Palin endorsed Bachmann.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-12   19:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Ibluafartsky, Wood_Chopper (#136)

Palin endorses Palin! LOL, she's coming here to Lexington for another book signing....

"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee

Murron  posted on  2010-11-12   19:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Ibluafartsky (#136) (Edited)

Palin endorsed Bachmann.

Palin endorsed McCain.

And why shouldn't she. Both she and John want amnesty for illegal aliens.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-12   20:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Murron (#137)

Palin endorses Palin!

She's like the rest of them.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-12   20:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Murron (#137)

LOL, she's coming here to Lexington for another book signing....

Cool! Who wrote it?

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-11-12   20:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Wood_Chopper (#138)

Both she and John want amnesty for illegal aliens

Wantever you say Obamassmuncher!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-12   20:25:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Wood_Chopper, Murron (#139)

Palin endorses Palin!

She's like the rest of them.

It is totally understandable why you don't like yourself, dipshit!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-12   20:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Ibluafartsky (#141)

Both Palin and McCain want amnesty for illegal aliens.

Wantever you say Obamassmuncher!

Obama wants amnesty also. Your personal attack doesn't pass the smell test.

But since you can't defend Palin, it's all you have left.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-12   20:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Wood_Chopper (#143)

But since you can't defend Palin,

I don't see that it's necessary, Obamassmuncher. Lies and baseless allegations are the tools of you marxist assholes.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-12   21:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Ibluafartsky (#144)

I don't see that it's necessary, Obamassmuncher. Lies and baseless allegations are the tools of you marxist assholes.

And accusing anyone who opposes marxist RINOs of being for obama, is a tool used by marxist neo-con one party shills.

Palin wants amnesty for illegal aliens, yukon.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-12   21:14:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Ibluafartsky (#142)

Oh don't get me wrong Iblu, I haven't made my mind up about her yet...time will tell. btw, I do have her book, my son got it for me, he's very infatuated with her, but I'm not in awe of her enough to want her autograph, celeberties don't impress....I'd rather know more about her ideas, where she stands on the issues that concern us, her convictions, and just how far she may go to compromise them...&;-)

"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee

Murron  posted on  2010-11-12   21:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Wood_Chopper (#145)

Palin wants amnesty for illegal aliens, yukon.

Yukon lives in your ignorant, empty marxist skull, dullard. Palin has more intestinal fortitude and integrity than you and all your queer friends will have in a lifetime.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-11-12   22:16:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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