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Title: Juan Williams Sees Rove-vs.-Palin ‘Civil War’ Inside GOP
Source: RawStory
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/ ... sees-rove-palin-gop-civil-war/
Published: Nov 7, 2010
Author: David Edwards
Post Date: 2010-11-07 13:41:56 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 132174
Comments: 165

The midterm elections brought big wins for the Republicans but they also exposed fractures within the party. Fox News' Juan Williams described Sunday what he called a "civil war" between the establishment Republicans and the tea party.

"I think there is a civil war of sorts going on," Williams said. "We don't talk about it much -- between the Republican establishment and tea party people. It's Sarah Palin [vs.] Karl Rove if you want to personify it."

In no place were the divisions as obvious during the mid-term elections as they were with opinions on Christine O'Donnell, the GOP's Senate candidate in Delaware.

Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin endorsed O'Donnell during the primaries, which may have put the candidate over the top in winning the Republican endorsement.

On the night that she won her primary victory, Rove told Fox News' Sean Hannity that O'Donnell was known for saying "nutty things."

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"This is not a race we're going to be able to win," Rove added.

Following O'Donnell's loss in the general election, Rove said, "Look, it gave me no pleasure to say she was unlikely to win."

"This again proves a lesson. This is a candidate right on the issues, but had mishandled a series of questions raised by the press early on in the race about her background and previous statements."

Palin called out Rove by name after O'Donnell's loss. "I look forward to Karl Rove and others looking at...reporting that exit polls are showing that Mike Castle would have even lost to Chris Coons," she said on Fox News. "There was never any guarantee that a hard-core conservative would win in a deep blue state like Delaware."

But Rove's viewpoint may be representative of other establishment Republicans who weren't fond of O'Donnell.

"I think Delaware was a missed opportunity to have a really good United States senator, Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday.

Rove and Palin also clashed over the former governor's new reality show. Rove told the Telegraph that he failed to see how a reality show helped Palin make a serious run at the presidency in 2012.

"There are high standards that the American people have for [the presidency] and they require a certain level of gravitas, and they want to look at the candidate and say 'that candidate is doing things that gives me confidence that they are up to the most demanding job in the world,'" he said.

The next week, Palin compared herself to another entertainer, President Ronald Reagan, to defend her new show. "Those standards have to be high for someone who would ever want to run for president like, um, wasn't Ronald Reagan an actor? Wasn't he in Bedtime for Bonzo, bozo or something? Ronald Reagan was an actor," she said.

"Now look. I'm not in a reality show. I have eight episodes documenting Alaska's resources, what it is that we can contribute to the rest of US to economically and physically secure our union, and my family comes along for the ride because I am family, family is us, and my family comes along on the ride to document these eight episodes for The Learning Channel. ... So Karl is wrong right there in calling it a reality show," she said.

This video is from Fox's Fox News Sunday, broadcast Nov. 7, 2010.

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#5. To: Brian S (#0)

Fox News' Juan Williams described Sunday what he called a "civil war" between the establishment Republicans and the tea party.

Juan got that one 51% right,proving he is among the smarted of the leftist press.

He blew it by saying Palin represents the Tea Party. The only people that have crowned her as the Queen are his leftist pals in the media and the fascist left RINO's of the alleged Republican Party.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-08   8:06:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#5)

You must have never been to tea party event. They Love Palin.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-08   8:12:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#6)

You must have never been to tea party event.

You're right. I haven't.

They Love Palin.

Some do and some don't,but she is NOT a Tea Party "leader" in any respect.

She is a Republican and is more of a neo-con RINO than she is a conservative.

Yeah,she has endorsed some good TP candidates,and a couple of loons like O'Donnell,but so what. That doesn't make her management.

The only truly conservative positive political thing that can be said about her is that she is pro-2nd Amendment. She can't possibly have a pro-TP outlook when their main focus is on fiscal conservatism,and she wants amnesty (but not "total" amnesty) for illegal aliens.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-08   12:36:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: sneakypete (#25)

she is NOT a Tea Party "leader" in any respect.

Oh come on, there are 3 or 4 politicians / ex-politicians that are clearly tea party leaders. Dick Armey, Jim DeMint, Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, now Rand Paul, and maybe one or two others.

Of the bunch, Palin did more to help the movement in the last year than anyone else.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-09   10:05:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: jwpegler (#63) (Edited)

Oh come on, there are 3 or 4 politicians / ex-politicians that are clearly tea party leaders. Dick Armey, Jim DeMint, Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, now Rand Paul, and maybe one or two others.

You can NOT say you "adore John McCain and support him 100%." and be anything other than a RINO.

Period.

As for Dick Armey,the SOB is trying to jump ahead of the pack so he can take over for his globalist RINO buddies and destroy it from inside. He talks a good talk,but he is a big government fascist to his rotten core.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-09   10:10:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: sneakypete (#66) (Edited)

You can NOT say you "adore John McCain and support him 100%." and be anything other than a RINO.

Period.

This was nothing more than her paying him back for propelling her to the national stage. You don't stab someone in the back who helped your career. Because if you do so, no one will trust you and help you again. It's no different than in business. It doesn't mean you have to agree with them on the issues or vote the way they want you.

I've helped a lot of people's careers over the years when I was in big business. Now that I'm on my own, if I need an introduction or a recommendation I go right back to the people I've helped and ask them to do it for me. They do. It's the way successful people operate -- by creating and leveraging relationships.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-11-09   10:16:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: jwpegler (#68)

This was nothing more than her paying him back for propelling her to the national stage.

She paid him back by pulling in enough votes that he didn't lose the election by Biblical proportions. Most of the people I know that voted for him ONLY voted for him because she was his running mate.

You don't stab someone in the back who helped your career.

He did. He was stabbing her in the back within days of the election being over.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-09   13:20:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: sneakypete (#80)

She paid him back by pulling in enough votes that he didn't lose the election by Biblical proportions. Most of the people I know that voted for him ONLY voted for him because she was his running mate.

You ought to compare polling numbers before and after he selected her. He ended up doing worse with her then he was doing without her, she was a negative draw on his campaign.

go65  posted on  2010-11-09   13:22:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: go65 (#81)

You ought to compare polling numbers before and after he selected her. He ended up doing worse with her then he was doing without her, she was a negative draw on his campaign.

Yeah,I know that is the mantra of the neo-cons and their brothers of the left,but it just ain't so no matter how much the press tried to push it.

The game was set up for McLunatic to lose to the Chocolate Messiah,and the ruling elite were happy and had things going their way. They even approved of him picking the "nobody from nowhere" as a running mate because she was unknown and inexperienced in national politics.

Then she started hitting the ball out of the ballpark when attacking Barry Soetoro,and the ticket she was on was starting to gain traction.

Actually I "spoke" (wrote?) too soon. McLunatic started stabbing her in the back BEFORE the election was over. EVERY time she would give a speech and slam Barry over his his incompetence and stupidity,McLunatic would jump in front of a microphone and apologize for her.

I lost every speck of respect I had for her when she started defending that treasonous bastard after the election was over,and even supported his Senate re-election campaign.

There just ain't no excuse for that.

Even IF you buy the "loyalty to the man who put her on the map" nonsense,you are applauding somebody that puts loyalty to self ahead of loyalty to the country and the Constitution.

As I wrote earlier,there just ain't no excuse for that.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-09   13:36:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: sneakypete (#87)

Yeah,I know that is the mantra of the neo-cons and their brothers of the left,but it just ain't so no matter how much the press tried to push it.

sneaky,

Every poll showed a huge bump for McCain after he nominated her, especially among Republicans/Conservatives.

Its not 'mantra' its documented fact. Look it up for yourself.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-09   13:43:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Badeye (#91)

Every poll showed a huge bump for McCain after he nominated her, especially among Republicans/Conservatives.

Yeah,that's what I wrote.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-09   18:02:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: sneakypete (#100)

Every poll showed a huge bump for McCain after he nominated her, especially among Republicans/Conservatives. Yeah,that's what I wrote.

yes, huge bump, until she opened her mouth.

go65  posted on  2010-11-10   14:05:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: go65 (#115)

yes, huge bump, until she opened her mouth.

As usual,you have it backwards. Every time she opened her mouth,McLunatic's ratings went up. Until the media bitched and he jumped in front of a microphone to apologize for what she had said.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-10   14:56:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: sneakypete (#116)

As usual,you have it backwards. Every time she opened her mouth,McLunatic's ratings went up. Until the media bitched and he jumped in front of a microphone to apologize for what she had said.

go back and watch her interview with Katie Couric.

go65  posted on  2010-11-10   15:27:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: go65 (#117)

go back and watch her interview with Katie Couric.

That bitch set her up. What would you say if someone asked you what newspapers and magazines you read, huh?

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-11-10   15:45:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Skip Intro, go65 (#118)

What would you say if someone asked you what newspapers and magazines you read, huh?

He would say "Pravda" (NYT),Salon,and Rolling Stone.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-10   17:47:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#127. To: sneakypete, Skip Intro, go65 (#126)

He would say "Pravda" (NYT),Salon,and Rolling Stone.

Don't forget HuffPo.

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