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Title: Scary New Wage Data
Source: TAX.com
URL Source: http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.n ... alink/UBEN-8AGMUZ?OpenDocument
Published: Oct 25, 2010
Author: David Cay Johnston
Post Date: 2010-10-28 00:38:05 by lucysmom
Keywords: Reaganomics, wealth distribution, unemployment
Views: 36225
Comments: 46

Every 34th wage earner in America in 2008 went all of 2009 without earning a single dollar, new data from the Social Security Administration show. Total wages, median wages, and average wages all declined, but at the very top, salaries grew more than fivefold.

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The number of Americans making $50 million or more, the top income category in the data, fell from 131 in 2008 to 74 last year. But that’s only part of the story.

The average wage in this top category increased from $91.2 million in 2008 to an astonishing $518.8 million in 2009. That’s nearly $10 million in weekly pay!

You read that right. In the Great Recession year of 2009 (officially just the first half of the year), the average pay of the very highest-income Americans was more than five times their average wages and bonuses in 2008. And even though their numbers shrank by 43 percent, this group’s total compensation was 3.2 times larger in 2009 than in 2008, accounting for 0.6 percent of all pay. These 74 people made as much as the 19 million lowest-paid people in America, who constitute one in every eight workers.

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[Author from comments section]

Noel Chun, I think the generosity of millions of American blue collar workers who willingly and deliberately gave up their jobs so the poor in the police state called China and in the democracy called India, as well as other impoverished nations, can have a better economic life is the greatest untold story of human kindness in history.

Oh, but wait, they didn’t act out of altruism. In fact, they did not act at all. They were fired.

The trade rules, like tax rules, tend to be read by very few people and to be shaped mostly by campaign contributions to politicians, who pass laws and approve treaties. The subsidies for moving work offshore come from our elected officials, who depend on those getting the subsidies for the money to get elected.

The duty of a sovereign government is first to its own people, not to the people of another country. Read Adam Smith on policies that benefit the majority being by their nature good policies. What is going on here is not Darwinian economics, but bought-and-paid for economics.

Jim O., I am sure you appreciate my satirical comments above, but you also make an important point without quite explicitly stating it, capitalism and freedom are not linked (see China and Singapore) nor are capitalism and democracy (see India), no matter how much some people say they are.

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#13. To: lucysmom (#0) (Edited)

The average wage in this top category increased from $91,200,000 in 2008 to an astonishing $518,800,000 in 2009. That’s nearly $10,000,000 in weekly pay!

The Democrats "solution" is to raise taxes on "rich" people who make a lousy $250,000 year. Therein lies the problem.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-28   11:00:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: jwpegler (#13)

The Democrats "solution" is to raise taxes on "rich" people who make a lousy $250,000 year. Therein lies the problem.

in the last 30 years we've seen wealth increasingly concentrated at the top, the GOP approach is to cut aid to the less well-off to preserve tax breaks on income over $250k.

Do you not see a problem with so much income concentrated in the hands of so few?

go65  posted on  2010-10-28   19:45:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: go65 (#19) (Edited)

$250,000 is not $518,000,000. People making $250,000 are not rich.

The very rich can buy off politicians to write special tax breaks for them. Raising the tax rate on the "rich" does not actually raise taxes on the rich. It raises taxes on the upper-middle class, many of whom are small business people.

Make the cut off for the top tax bracket $5 million or $10 million a year, and then we can talk, otherwise forget it.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-29   10:12:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: jwpegler (#21)

$250,000 is not $518,000,000. People making $250,000 are not rich.

The very rich can buy off politicians to write special tax breaks for them. Raising the tax rate on the "rich" does not actually raise taxes on the rich. It raises taxes on the upper-middle class, many of whom are small business people.

Make the cut off for the top tax bracket $5 million or $10 million a year, and then we can talk, otherwise forget it.

A realistic compromise would be to restore the pre-2001 top tax rate to income over $500k, but the GOP will not accept any tax hikes whatsoever, so what we will see next year is restoration of the Bush tax cuts at the expense of social programs for the poor.

go65  posted on  2010-10-29   10:16:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: go65 (#22)

what we will see next year is restoration of the Bush tax cuts

If the GOP has a big majority, watch for a push to reform taxes to lower rates and eliminate many deductions. The same kind of thing that Bill Bradley and Reagan did in 96 where they lowered the top tax rate 50% to 28%

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-29   13:03:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: jwpegler (#28)

If the GOP has a big majority, watch for a push to reform taxes to lower rates and eliminate many deductions. The same kind of thing that Bill Bradley and Reagan did in 96 where they lowered the top tax rate 50% to 28%

I'd still like to see a push for a NST.

go65  posted on  2010-10-29   13:55:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: go65 (#30)

I'd still like to see a push for a NST

Thats putting a gun into the mouth of the economy, and pulling the trigger TWICE.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-29   14:01:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Badeye (#32)

Thats putting a gun into the mouth of the economy, and pulling the trigger TWICE.

How so? I'd argue that replacing all income-based taxes on businesses and consumers with a national sales tax would be the biggest shot in the arm we could give the economy.

(CATO agrees).

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#36. To: go65 (#34)

How so? I'd argue that replacing all income-based taxes on businesses and consumers with a national sales tax would be the biggest shot in the arm we could give the economy.

Hmmm. I"m willing to try that.

The problem is most on your side of the aisle won't, and we both know it.

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