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Title: What we can learn from Singapore's health-care model
Source: Washington Post
URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy ... 010/03/03/AR2010030301396.html
Published: Mar 3, 2010
Author: Matt Miller
Post Date: 2010-10-23 13:43:18 by lucysmom
Keywords: government, health care, insurance
Views: 33504
Comments: 52

We interrupt Washington's feud over the president's "way forward" for a brief word on a path not taken, courtesy of the only rich nation that boasts universal coverage with health outcomes better than ours while spending one-fifth as much per person on health care. Introducing (drum roll please): Singapore.

Yes, it's an island city-state of just 5 million people. Yes, it's more or less a benevolent dictatorship. And, yes, until recently, bringing chewing gum into Singapore could land you in jail. But Singapore, a poor country a few decades ago, now boasts a higher per capita income (when adjusted for local purchasing power) than the United States. And here's the astonishing fact: Singapore spends less than 4 percent of its GDP on health care. We spend 17 percent (and Singapore's somewhat younger population doesn't begin to explain the difference). Matching Singapore's performance in our $15 trillion economy would free up $2 trillion a year for other public and private purposes.

Do I have I your attention?

Today we can't find cash to recruit a new generation of great teachers, rebuild our roads and bridges, pay down the national debt, or invest in better airports, high-speed rail, a clean energy revolution or any of a hundred other things sensible patriots know we should do to renew the country. We can't do these things in large part because the Medical Industrial Complex vacuums up every spare dollar in sight. It's only slightly melodramatic to assert that if we could run our health-care system as efficiently as Singapore's, we could solve most of our other problems.

So how does Singapore do it?

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#2. To: lucysmom (#0) (Edited)

Thanks for posting this.

It is amazing to me that you can read this article and come up with exactly the wrong conclusions. Your ideological blinders are the strongest I've ever seen. It is truly remarkable.

roughly one-third of health spending in Singapore is paid directly by individuals... Singaporeans make these payments out of earnings as well as from health savings accounts

That is correct. They've created a nation of healthcare shoppers who have incentives to spend their own healthcare dollars wisely.

who typically buy catastrophic coverage as well

That's right. So they buy their own catastrophic insurance and then pay for their own incidental medical expenses too. A true nation of healthcare shoppers.

in the United States, by contrast, nearly 90 percent is picked up by third- party insurers, employers and governments

Which is why we don't have incentives to use the system wisely. That is why prices have been escalating out of control ever since the federal government created Medicare and Medicaid. Before Medicare and Medicaid, about 25% of medical expenses were paid out of pocket. We should have increased that to 33% like Singapore. Instead, we decreased it to 10%. We went in the wrong direction.

The system is chock-full of incentives for thrift. If you want a private hospital room, for example, you pay through the nose; most people choose less expensive wards.

Exactly. People have a choice and have to pay for what they choose. This is exactly the opposite of what the left wants in the U.S. -- a one-sized fits all government mandated policy for everyone.

adequate savings for retirement and health expenses are mandated by government

As opposed to government mandating Social Security and Medicare taxes, which puts senior citizens at the mercy of unscrupulous politicians. Many of us have been arguing for privatizing retirement and healthcare savings for at least 30 years and the left keeps demagoguing the issue, which is why we are in so much trouble today.

Public hospitals provide 80 percent of the acute care

Which is not at all the same as Lucy's claims that government facilities provide 80% of all care. Acute care = care rendered in an emergency department, ambulatory care clinic, or other short-term stay facility. Public hospitals in the U.S. also account for a large portion of acute care. My sister is an emergency room nurse in a government hospital in Detroit.

including an ample safety net for the poor

Singapore has strict means testing for government subsidies. The government pays for between 40% and 80% of medical bills for the poor. No matter how poor you are, you are on the hook for paying something out of your medical savings.

Singapore has a wonderful healthcare system. My view is that we should adopt much of it in the U.S. Many conservatives agree. Unfortunately, the American left would never allow anything that gave that much choice and responsibility to individuals.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-23   14:27:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: jwpegler (#2)

It is amazing to me that you can read this article and come up with exactly the wrong conclusions. Your ideological blinders are the strongest I've ever seen. It is truly remarkable.

Back attcha dude.

I never denied that Singapore has mandated health savings accounts or that people also buy catastrophic insurance - that is indeed part of the story.

Again:

But that's only half the story. There's also a massive public role. For starters, adequate savings for retirement and health expenses are mandated by government (employees must sock away 20 percent of earnings each year, to which employers add 13 percent). Public hospitals provide 80 percent of the acute care, setting affordable pricing benchmarks with which private providers compete. Supply-side rules that favor training new family doctors over pricey specialists are more extensive than similar notions Hillary Clinton pushed in the '90s. And in Singapore, if a child is obese, they don't get Rose Garden exhortations from the first lady. They get no lunch and mandatory exercise periods during school.

I know this is really, really difficult for conservatives wedded to all or nothing thinking, however it does appear to be true that government run hospitals in Singapore do act on the private sector to contain prices through competition.

In Singapore all the pieces fit together to make the system they have function well both in terms of quality care and cost containment.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-23   20:49:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lucysmom (#16) (Edited)

I've already addressed these points many times, but I'll do it again:

adequate savings for retirement and health expenses are mandated by government

As opposed to government mandating Social Security and Medicare taxes, which puts senior citizens at the mercy of unscrupulous politicians. Conservatives have been arguing for privatizing retirement and healthcare savings for at least 30 years and the left keeps demagoguing the issue, which is why those systems are in so much trouble today. The RIGHT wants this. The LEFT in the won't allow it.

Public hospitals provide 80 percent of the acute care

Acute care is care rendered in an emergency department, ambulatory care clinic, or other short-term stay facility. Public and non-profit hospitals in the U.S. also account for a large portion of acute care in the U.S.. My sister is an emergency room nurse in a government hospital in Detroit. Private clinics and hospitals in Singapore provide most episodic care as well as care of chronic illnesses, just like the U.S.

Well over 80% of urban hospitals in the U.S. are non-profit or public. Suburban hospitals are usually more of a mix of public, non-profit, and private. Half of all hospitals in Washington State are public. They are run by local "hospital districts", not the stinking federal government, which is why they work. Many of the rest are non-profit.

The availability of public hospitals is not what keeps prices down in Singapore. At one point, Singapore had a socialist system. They threw it out, implemented market reforms, and prices fell dramatically. People buying their own insurance and paying their own medical bills is what keeps prices down.

pricing benchmarks

Do you know what a benchmark is? It's not a price control as you have repeatedly claimed on this topic in the past. Benchmarking is the process of comparing your organizations processes and performance metrics to other organizations. My company benchmarks a half dozen metrics from 9 of our competitors to gage how we are doing in relationship to industry norms. Singapore's hospitals are required to publish prices and outcomes for every procedure, which makes it easy to compare.

Again, your ideological filter just won't allow you to evaluate the facts in an objective manner. You and your brain-dead leftists buddies would never allow a system with as much freedom and choice as Singapore's. That's why the left has to be booted from power permanently.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-24   11:12:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: jwpegler (#20)

Conservatives have been arguing for privatizing retirement and healthcare savings for at least 30 years and the left keeps demagoguing the issue, which is why those systems are in so much trouble today. The RIGHT wants this. The LEFT in the won't allow it.

The majority of American citizens won't allow it. Just like prop 13 in California, Social Security and Medicare are third rail programs.

Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H.L. Hunt (you possibly know his background). a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid. President Eisenhower

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-24   12:00:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lucysmom (#21)

The majority of American citizens won't allow it. Just like prop 13 in California, Social Security and Medicare are third rail programs.

They won't allow it because they've been lied to for several decades by Democrat politicians, who claim that payroll taxes are savings being put away into a "trust fund". None of that is true.

Today, Social Security is paying out more than it is taking in. The Social Security Trustees predict escalating deficits starting in 2014. The only choices will be to dramatically raise the payroll tax or cut benefits. Medicare is in even worse shape.

Senior citizens are at the mercy of unscrupulous politicians. Singapore has a better way for both retirement and healthcare.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-24   12:19:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: jwpegler (#24)

Today, Social Security is paying out more than it is taking in. The Social Security Trustees predict escalating deficits starting in 2014. The only choices will be to dramatically raise the payroll tax or cut benefits.

Social Security has something like a 2.3 trillion dollar surplus that has been lent to the government and collects interest.

The last 5 Trustees Reports have indicated that Social Security's Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) Trust Funds would become exhausted between 2037 and 2041 under the intermediate set of economic and demographic assumptions provided in each report. If no legislative change in enacted, scheduled tax revenues will be sufficient to pay only about three fourths of the scheduled benefits after trust fund exhaustion. Many policymakers have developed proposals and options to address this long-range solvency problem.

www.ssa.gov/OACT/solvency/index.html

Either you don't understand how Social Security was designed to work, or you are deliberately misleading.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-24   12:29:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#27)

Either you don't understand how Social Security was designed to work, or you are deliberately misleading.

I know exactly how Social Security works. It's a pyramid scheme, which is illegal in the private sector.

Social Security is a pay as you go system. As soon as Social Security taxes are collected, they are paid out. The Social Security "trust fund" is not a trust fund in the real sense. It is an accounting device.

For a long time, Social Security revenues exceeded expenditures. The problem is that by law 100% of the surpluses were "invested" in Treasury securities, and the money was immediately spent on other government programs.

The Social Security "trust fund" doesn't have any actual resources with which to pay Social Security benefits. It is exactly the same as if you "borrowed" money from your savings account, put it in your checking account, immediately spent it, and wrote an IOU to keep track of the money you owe yourself.

The only way to balance your books is: A.) earn more money or B.) tear up some of the IOUs.

Here's what the Social Security trustees actually say:

Social Security expenditures are expected to exceed tax receipts this year for the first time since 1983. The projected deficit of $41 billion this year (excluding interest income) is attributable to the recession and to an expected $25 billion downward adjustment to 2010 income that corrects for excess payroll tax revenue credited to the trust funds in earlier years. This deficit is expected to shrink substantially for 2011 and to return to small surpluses for years 2012-2014 due to the improving economy. After 2014 deficits are expected to grow rapidly as the baby boom generation’s retirement causes the number of beneficiaries to grow substantially more rapidly than the number of covered workers.

There is no way around this. The payroll tax will have to be increased dramatically or benefits will have to be dramatically cut.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-24   12:40:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: jwpegler (#30)

The Social Security "trust fund" doesn't have any actual resources with which to pay Social Security benefits. It is exactly the same as if you "borrowed" money from your savings account, put it in your checking account, immediately spent it, and wrote an IOU to keep track of the money you owe yourself.

Or when a bank takes my deposit and lends it out.

Money doesn't "stay" anywhere unless one puts it under the mattress.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-24   12:47:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: lucysmom (#32) (Edited)

Or when a bank takes my deposit and lends it out.

Absolutely not. The government is lending to itself. There is no third party to pay it back. The only way the government can pay it back is by dramatically raising the payroll tax. Or they cannot pay the money and cut benefits instead. Both are coming. Guaranteed.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-24   12:54:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: jwpegler (#34)

Absolutely not. The government is lending to itself. There is no third party to pay it back. The only way the government can pay it back is by dramatically raising the payroll tax. Or they cannot pay the money and cut benefits instead. Both are coming. Guaranteed.

what do you do about folks who blow their investments, or manage them so poorly that they don't have enough for retirement. Can they then get welfare or medicaid?

go65  posted on  2010-10-24   13:35:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: go65 (#38)

what do you do about folks who blow their investments

Don't allow them to invest their mandatory savings in the stock market. Make them put it in an interest bearing savings account.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-24   14:35:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: jwpegler (#39)

Don't allow them to invest their mandatory savings in the stock market. Make them put it in an interest bearing savings account.

And what if they don't earn enough to contribute sufficient funds to cover their retirement?

When you start to work through all the what-ifs, and then determine the amount of bureaucracy required to manage it, Social Security doesn't look that bad.

FWIW, the biggest problem with privatizing the program, IMHO, is the cost of covering current obligations while younger workers reduce or stop their contributions.

go65  posted on  2010-10-24   14:42:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: go65 (#40)

And what if they don't earn enough to contribute sufficient funds to cover their retirement?

What did people do before government provided medicare and social security?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-10-24   14:53:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ibluafartsky (#42)

What did people do before government provided medicare and social security?

They died, starved, went homeless, etc., which is WHY programs like Medicare and Social Security were created in the first place.

go65  posted on  2010-10-24   17:14:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: go65 (#43)

They died, starved, went homeless, etc.,

People aren't homeless and don't die today? Absolutely fookin amazing. You do live in lalaland!

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