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Title: 2010 Freedom Index -- Canada more Free than U.S.
Source: Heritage Foundation
URL Source: http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx
Published: Oct 22, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-10-22 17:46:19 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 49687
Comments: 100

15 freest countries:

Hong Kong89.7
Singapore86.1
Australia82.6
New Zealand82.1
Ireland81.3
Switzerland81.1
Canada80.4
United States78.0
Denmark77.9
Chile77.2
United Kingdom76.5
Mauritius76.3
Bahrain76.3
Luxombourg75.4
Netherlands75.0


U.S. drops from "free" to "mostly free". As usual, Hong Kong and Singapore are on top.

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#38. To: A K A Stone (#33)

About what, Stonehead?

Adding comments in brackets to article titles? It's always been allowed everywhere I've ever posted.

Making up one fake title? Well, you do it all the time so I'm just following your lead to see what you'd do. Since it was a change you approved of, you did nothing, like I thought you would.

The rest aren't fake; the idiot WS got it wrong.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-10-23   11:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: go65, Ibluafartsky (#37)

How much freedom of any kind is there in either of your example countries?

Lots more than here, very weak government, no gun control, little regulation, they are both conservative utopias.

Afghanistan does have an income tax so blu may prefer taking his guns to Somalia.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-23   11:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: go65 (#5) (Edited)

I think people lose sight of the fact that universal health insurance means more freedom

Again, I support something like the Singapore system.

A.) Everybody has to save at least 8% of their income. They can use the money to buy catastrophic insurance, pay for incidental medical expenses, or both.

B.) If you don't earn enough to buy insurance, the government will subsidize your savings. This would replace Medicaid.

C.) Healthcare providers must publish prices and outcomes.

D.) Eliminate state laws which restrict competition in providing health insurance.

That program would work here. Everyone would have coverage (that they buy themselves) for catastrophic conditions. They have to pay out of pocket for everything else, which would force prices down. It's what Switzerland, New Zealand, Singapore, Hong Kong, and many other countries do. America has gone in the opposite direction over the last 50 years, which is why our system is so screwed up. Obamacare is more of the same bad policies, which is one reason prices are already escalating.


"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-23   12:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: meguro (#9)

How in the world is Singapore up there?

I've been to Singapore many times. It is a really, really nice place. In fact, if I ever decided to leave the U.S., Singapore would be on my very short list of places to move.


"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-23   12:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lucysmom (#18)

Anyone can use the public hospitals (owned and operated by the government) and most do because the cost is lower.

You are making things up again, which is why I refuse to engage you in a conversation any longer.


"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-23   12:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: jwpegler (#42)

You are making things up again, which is why I refuse to engage you in a conversation any longer.

No, I'm not making it up, you just don't bother to read; not on your own and not the links I've provided in the past.

One more time:

# "The private healthcare system competes with the public healthcare, which helps contain prices in both directions. Private medical insurance is also available."

...

# The government pays for "basic healthcare services... subject to tight expenditure control." Bottom line: The government pays 80% of "basic public healthcare services."

econlog.econlib.org/archi...8/01/singapores_heal.html

Conservatives are right: Singaporeans have the kind of "skin in the game" that promotes prudence.

But that's only half the story. There's also a massive public role. For starters, adequate savings for retirement and health expenses are mandated by government (employees must sock away 20 percent of earnings each year, to which employers add 13 percent). Public hospitals provide 80 percent of the acute care, setting affordable pricing benchmarks with which private providers compete. Supply-side rules that favor training new family doctors over pricey specialists are more extensive than similar notions Hillary Clinton pushed in the '90s. And in Singapore, if a child is obese, they don't get Rose Garden exhortations from the first lady. They get no lunch and mandatory exercise periods during school.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp...3/03/AR2010030301396.html

Close your eyes, cover your ears, and repeat "Lalalalalalalalalala" as loud as you can, but it does not change the facts.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-23   13:21:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysmom (#43) (Edited)

Right, and Singapore censors the media and "cains" people who chew gum.

Don't believe anything you read in the American press about Singapore.

I've been to Singapore many times. My company has an office there. We do business with the Singapore Hospital Authority.

Yes Singapore has government hospitals. So does the U.S. They are called County Hospitals. My two sisters were born in a county hospital. They existed long before the federal government ruined our healthcare system. I've told you this dozens of times before, but it just doesn't sink in.

No, the government does NOT pay for basic health services in Singapore. The government pays about 30% of healthcare expenditures, compared to about 50% in the U.S. No matter what your income level is, you have to pay part of the bill yourself out of your medical savings account. You are required to save money for healthcare.

The reason prices are low in Singapore is primary due to people having to pay their own bills, just like you pay your own grocery bill. Singapore created a nation of healthcare shoppers, while the U.S. created a nation of people who leech off of the productive part of the economy.

You have no real world experience. You Google something and post the first piece of garbage that fits your preconceived notions. This is why I am not going to respond to you any longer.

Bozo bit flipped.


"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-23   13:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: jwpegler (#44)

I've been to Singapore many times. My company has an office there. We do business with the Singapore Hospital Authority.

I've been to India, and even been a patient in India, in addition I was given a private tour of Indian health care facilities guided by the head of Department of Medical Health and Family Welfare in the state of Uttar Pradesh but I'm smart enough to know that that doesn't make me an expert on Indian health care.

BTW, I have experience with Egyptian health care too.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-23   14:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lucysmom (#45) (Edited)

I've been to India, and even been a patient in India, in addition I was given a private tour of Indian health care facilities guided by the head of Department of Medical Health and Family Welfare in the state of Uttar Pradesh but I'm smart enough to know that that doesn't make me an expert on Indian health care.

But I am a consultant who does business with these people. We have a huge focus on healthcare. We are paid to help our customers turn their challenges into opportunities through the proper and cost effective adoption of technology.


"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-23   14:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: All (#0) (Edited)

Singapore Healthcare Thread has moved over here.

Anyone who is concerned about what to do with Obamacare would benefit by reading this.


"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-23   14:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lucysmom (#32) (Edited)

So then the topic is poster screen names and not 2010 Freedom Index -- Canada more Free than U.S.?

Given that terms such as Cracker or Bullets to Whitey aren't topics or even issues for you, you may be a racist.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Liberals:
-Pro nuclear proliferation.
-Support fundamentalist religion that execute gays.
-Have no issues with inmate abuse.
-In discussions to release J.Pollard.

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-23   15:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: jwpegler (#47) (Edited)

Singapore is dictatorship that mandates exercise and jails homosexuals. Its population is almost 80% Chinese.

Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the United States

Ethnic Groups Show Different Cardiovascular Risk Profiles: Chinese Have Lowest Levels of Heart Disease While South Asians Have Highest- Apr. 19, 2010 [snip]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100419132349.htm

[snip]

There are striking differences in the cardiovascular risk profiles of four ethnic groups -- white, Chinese, South Asian and black -- living in Ontario, Canada, found a new study in CMAJ.

[Snip]

The researchers found that the Chinese population had the lowest overall prevalence of heart disease (3.2%) and stroke (0.6%)

[snip]

"Despite universal access to health care, ethnic groups living in Ontario, differed markedly in their cardiovascular risk profiles," writes Ms. Maria Chiu and Dr. Jack Tu, Institute for Clinical Evaluative Sciences (ICES)

-----------------------------------------------------------
Liberals:
-Pro nuclear proliferation.
-Support fundamentalist religion that execute gays.
-Have no issues with inmate abuse.
-In discussions to release J.Pollard.

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-23   15:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Skip Intro, A K A Stone, Skip 'I-want-to-help-kill-posters-here' Intro (#38)

Adding comments in brackets to article titles? It's always been allowed everywhere I've ever posted.


Making up one fake title?

Fake 1:

Ted Olson Defends California's Gay Marriage Ruling On Fox News

Post Date: 2010-08-08 21:21:09 by Skip Intro

True Title:
Ted Olson On FNS: ‘Would You Like Fox’s Right To Free Press Put Up To A Vote?’

============

Fake 2:

Jews give Obama above average approval rating

Post Date: 2010-08-27 16:36:54 by Skip Intro

True Title:

Jews still like Obama, but approval dips

============

Fake 3:

Republicans propose to make it illegal to be a Cornholing Fudgepacker in Montana

Post Date: 2010-09-24 14:38:50 by Skip Intro

True Title:
Republicans propose to make it illegal to be gay in Montana

-----------------------------------------------------------
Liberals:
-Pro nuclear proliferation.
-Support fundamentalist religion that execute gays.
-Have no issues with inmate abuse.
-In discussions to release J.Pollard.

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-23   17:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Fred Mertz, Bullet For WhiteSands, A K A Stone (#35)

You've got the stupid cracker looking back over her shoulder. LOLOL

You feel his screen name is a threat to me.

And given that you advocate shooting those you disagree with ,you have no issue with it.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Liberals:
-Pro nuclear proliferation.
-Support fundamentalist religion that execute gays.
-Have no issues with inmate abuse.
-In discussions to release J.Pollard.

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-23   17:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: meguro, Skip Intro, Fred Mertz (#14)

Yup. This site is hardly better than LP, especially considering that it's largely filled with past and present LP posters.

You share a kindred spirit with the posters here that believe people should be shot based on their political views.

Skip Intro and Fred Mertz.

Sad man.

Really sad.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Liberals:
-Pro nuclear proliferation.
-Support fundamentalist religion that execute gays.
-Have no issues with inmate abuse.
-In discussions to release J.Pollard.

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-23   17:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: WhiteSands, Skip Intro, Fred Mertz.meguro (#52)

You share a kindred spirit with the posters here that believe people should be shot based on their political views.

Skip Intro and Fred Mertz.

Sad man.

Really sad.

They are all just fookin liberal, tyrannical assholes.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-10-23   20:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: lucysmom (#39)

Afghanistan does have an income tax

Is that your "elaboration", goofball?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-10-23   20:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: go65 (#37)

very weak government,

little regulation

they are both conservative utopias.

Weak? A government that controls the populace with violence? You need to stop imbibing!

Oh? How about freedom of religion and speech?

What a moronic statement!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-10-23   20:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: e_type_jag, dwarf, aka, Bullet For Whitey (#15)

Hey dwarf:)

Lycra panties all twisted up again?

Or is it the spandex "ironman" sports bra that's got you spittin again?

BBBBWWWAAAAHHHAAA!!!!

LMAO!!! "'Ironman' sports bra"!!!

Liberator  posted on  2010-10-23   20:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Ibluafartsky (#54)

Is that your "elaboration", goofball?

Just saying, blu, that seeing as how taxation is an issue for you, Somalia might be more to your liking - gun yes, taxes no and all.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-23   21:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: lucysmom (#57)

Just saying,

Somalia might be more to your liking

Just saying isn't elaborating.

Another moronic statement. You are indeed, CLUELESS!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-10-23   21:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Ibluafartsky (#55)

Weak? A government that controls the populace with violence? You need to stop imbibing!

there is virtually no government in Somalia, you really should consider moving there.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-10-23   21:32:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: go65 (#59)

there is virtually no government in Somalia,

Do you pride yourself in posting stupid comments?

Somalia's Hizbul Islam: We Will Negotiate With Government

7 hours ago

Sheikh Hassan Mahdi, a high-ranking official with Hizbul Islam, told a Mogadishu radio station the group is ready to talk with the Somali government

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-10-23   21:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: WhiteSands, Skip Intro, Fred Mertz (#52) (Edited)

You share a kindred spirit with the posters here that believe people should be shot based on their political views.

So says the wacko who supports bombing "liberal cities."

Fuck off, Whitey, you mental case.

meguro  posted on  2010-10-23   22:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Ibluafartsky (#60)

Sheikh Hassan Mahdi, a high-ranking official with Hizbul Islam, told a Mogadishu radio station the group is ready to talk with the Somali government

Then you'd better hurry up, you're opportunity to live a tax free, regulation free, gun toten', libertarian fantasy may be coming to an end.

From Wikipedia

Somalia, from 1991 to 2006, is cited as a real-world example of a stateless society and legal system.[1][2] Since the fall of Siad Barre's government in January 1991, there had been no permanent national government in Somalia[3] until the current Transitional Federal Government. Large areas of the country such as Puntland, and Galmudug are internationally unrecognized autonomous regions, while Somaliland is a de facto sovereign state. The remaining areas, including the capital Mogadishu, were divided into smaller territories ruled by competing warlords. In many areas there were (and still are) no formal regulations or licensing requirements for businesses and individuals.

Somalia is currently claimed as the sovereign territory of the Transitional Federal Government, internationally recognized as the Government of Somalia. Before December 2006, the TFG controlled only the town of Baidoa, the sixth largest city.[3] The intervention of Ethiopian government forces following the rise of the Islamic Courts Union, culminating in the latter's defeat in the Battle of Baidoa, allowed the TFG to expand its control under the protection of the Ethiopians. The TFG has not been able to effectively collect taxes, has no notable finances or real power base,[4] and has struggled to exert control over Mogadishu since an attempted move in late December 2006.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-23   22:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: lucysmom (#62)

From Wikipedia December 2006.

You fookin morons just can't help yourselves, can you?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-10-23   22:08:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: meguro, Skid Mark, Mrs. Bullet (#61)

So says the wacko who supports bombing "liberal cities."

They're already unofficially self-bombing their own liberal cities. Have you seen Detroit?

Liberal PCism helped Muslims bomb NYC on 9/11. NO "profiling" inevitably means "liberal cities" will be cratered from within or without.

You, Meguro, are the one who supports the extermination of pre-born babies and Christians, you flaming fascist.

Liberator  posted on  2010-10-23   22:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: jwpegler (#41) (Edited)

I've been to Singapore many times. It is a really, really nice place. In fact, if I ever decided to leave the U.S., Singapore would be on my very short list of places to move.

Really? Surprised to hear this from someone who strikes me as somewhat of a libertarian (perhaps I've miscategorized your political position?).

I've been there a couple of times myself, most recently last year (I happen to currently live in Tokyo, Japan), and while aspects of it are indeed nice (great food!), you do realize that it has a rather authoritarian government, no? Almost kind of a benign dictatorship... very little political freedom.

But I guess as long as you steer clear of speaking out against the government, drugs, and chewing gum (:- ) ) you'll be fine.

Personally I find it a bit too orderly for my tastes, but it would be a great launching pad to all the other countries in Southeast Asia.

meguro  posted on  2010-10-23   22:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: meguro (#9)

How in the world is Singapore up there? I'll have to analyze the data.

I'll save you the time; They're "free" to surgically become boys-from-girls, or girls-from-boys at the drop of a hat. Isn't that "freedom" to you?

Liberator  posted on  2010-10-23   22:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: meguro (#14)

This site is hardly better than LP, especially considering that it's largely filled with past and present LP posters.

But I don't understand; Do you expect gay Leftists festooning either site? Has it ever occurred to you that you're at the wrong forum either way?

Liberator  posted on  2010-10-23   22:27:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: lucysmom (#20)

The US ranks 37th. Certainly we can do better than that.

We can if not for leftist loons running amok and completely f***ing the country up with its ever gargantuan over governance and regulations, it's obsessive "diversity-is-our-strength" mantra, its socialism, it's moral relativism, its sabotage of education, the economy, and American industry during the last 20 years or so.

Medical bankruptcy does not exist in countries with universal health coverage like Japan, Canada, Great Britain, Taiwan, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Austria, Finland, and France, just to name a quick dozen.33;33; But, here in the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world, medical debt forces many people into bankruptcy.

Yes, but those countries are basically racially or nationally monolithic, and of whom don't have to cover 30 million illegals invaders, and NEVER have to spend a fraction of their GNP on national defense. WE'VE ALWAYS paid for theirs. Moreover, their health care is grossly INFERIOR. Especially in the non-Scandinavian countries and Switzerland.

You have also discounted the regulatory nightmare, liability (thanks to lawyers), and rampant fraud and lawsuits here in America.

Liberator  posted on  2010-10-23   22:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone, Skid Mark (#33)

Hey Skip why are you a hypocrite?

You forget "fat," "stupid," and "drunk."

Liberator  posted on  2010-10-23   22:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Tampon For Fred Mertz, WhiteSands (#35)

You've got the stupid cracker looking back over her shoulder. LOLOL

And Freddy, you are still sniffing around for and braying heavily for Dwarf's lycra-skin blend sack.

Liberator  posted on  2010-10-23   22:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator, A K A Stone (#69)

I'm starting to think hypocrites invented the Democrat party as something to inhabit. Not the other way around. That and the wheels came of Skivvy's wagon when war got shown the door. Sad watching them bumble around.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)

Rudgear  posted on  2010-10-23   22:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: jwpegler, lucysmom (#44)

The reason prices are low in Singapore is primary due to people having to pay their own bills, just like you pay your own grocery bill. Singapore created a nation of healthcare shoppers, while the U.S. created a nation of people who leech off of the productive part of the economy.

Well stated.

Mom of Lucy - please fire up another bowl of weed, incense stick, and 'Strawberry Alarm Clock' album, and contemplate this.

Liberator  posted on  2010-10-23   22:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Rudgear, A K A Stone (#71)

I'm starting to think hypocrites invented the Democrat party as something to inhabit. Not the other way around. That and the wheels came of Skivvy's wagon when war got shown the door. Sad watching them bumble around.

"Sad"? Yeah, in a clinical sense. Funny in an entertainment value sense.

Liberals require enablers and other parrots to validate their insanity and self-denials. It's truly amazing to note how unprincipled these people are, and how the "truth" is ALWAYS relative.

There can be no such thing as a sane liberal-Leftist.

Liberator  posted on  2010-10-23   23:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: meguro (#61)

I don't support bombing liberal cities.

I agree with them, that the US should not defend them.

It's your syph talking again.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Liberals:
-Pro nuclear proliferation.
-Support fundamentalist religion that execute gays.
-Have no issues with inmate abuse.
-In discussions to release J.Pollard.

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-23   23:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Liberator (#73)

Liberals require enablers and other parrots to validate their insanity and self-denials. It's truly amazing to note how unprincipled these people are, and how the "truth" is ALWAYS relative.

That's what the Democrat party is for. It justifies, perpetuates and houses unprincipled people.

Some people are just no damn good. Born rotten, greedy and self-absorbed and dammit, they deserve political representation, too!

I just wish there was a way to hijack their computer cams. I'd love to see their expressions as they eat shit in this election.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)

Rudgear  posted on  2010-10-23   23:13:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Liberator (#68)

Yes, but...

Excuses are like a**holes, every bodys got one.

...NEVER have to spend a fraction of their GNP on national defense. WE'VE ALWAYS paid for theirs.

Japan, 0.8% GDP; Canada, 1.1% GDP; Great Britain, 2.4% GDP; Taiwan, 2.2% GDP; Germany, 1.5% GDP; Italy, 1.8% GDP; Switzerland, 1% of GDP; Sweden, 1.5% GDP; Norway, 1.9% GDP; Austria, 0.8% GDP; Finland, 2% GDP; France, 2.6% GDP.

Guess they do pay a fraction of their GDP on defense. Just for comparison, the US spends 4.6% GDP and ranks 25th. Twenty-four countries spend a higher percentage of their GDP on defense including Singapore which spends 4.9% GDP.

Moreover, their health care is grossly INFERIOR. Especially in the non-Scandinavian countries and Switzerland.

Okay - same list: Japan, ranks 10th; Canada, ranks 30th; Great Britain,ranks 18; Taiwan*, Germany, ranks 25; Italy, ranks 2; Switzerland, ranks 20 (second highest cost after the US) Sweden, ranks 23; Norway, ranks 11; Austria, ranks 9; Finland, ranks 31; and France ranks number 1.

* Taiwan gets healthy; America should look to Taiwan as a model on healthcare. After all, Taiwan based its successful new system on US Medicare.

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You have also discounted the regulatory nightmare, liability (thanks to lawyers), and rampant fraud and lawsuits here in America.

Of course your talking corporate fraud and doctors suing their HMO employers and drug companies suing each other. A lot of that suing and fraud stuff going on in the private sector.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-23   23:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Liberator (#72)

please fire up another bowl of weed...

I'm not your servant.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-23   23:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Ibluafartsky (#60)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy_in_Somalia

A conservative paradise from 1991 to 2006.


On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.

go65  posted on  2010-10-24   0:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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