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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Opinions/Editorials See other Opinions/Editorials Articles Title: Juan Williams, NPR and the Death of Liberalism Source: aolnews.com URL Source: http://www.aolnews.com/opinion/arti ... e-death-of-liberalism/19683488 Published: Oct 21, 2010 Author: Bernie Goldberg Post Date: 2010-10-21 17:55:17 by WhiteSands Keywords: Juan Williams, NPR, NAACP Views: 19379 Comments: 35 So my fellow Fox News analyst Juan Williams just got fired for saying something supposedly controversial about Muslims. But make no mistake, Juan isn't the only casualty today. So is American liberalism. On "The O'Reilly Factor" on Monday night, Williams said, "I mean, look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous." And this is a fireable offense? NPR issued a statement saying Williams' comments "were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR." Here's a bulletin, NPR: Lots and lots and lots of Americans feel the same way as Juan Williams. And that includes lots and lots of liberals. And probably a lot of liberals who work at NPR. Juan's "crime" wasn't that he said something bigoted. His crime is that he said something that liberals find politically incorrect. And that he said it out loud. And worst of all, that he said it on the Fox News Channel. In liberal circles this is nothing less than a crime against humanity! What makes this so crazy -- and so sad -- is that liberals are the open-minded ones, the ones who cherish the free exchange of ideas, the smart ones. And if you don't believe me, just ask any liberal, who will be glad to tell you how smart and open-minded he or she is. But these are the kind of people who believe in "free speech" only as long as they agree with you. I feel bad for Juan, He's a good, decent man. His firing will make lots of other Americans think twice before they say something the boss may not like. And that's not a good thing in a democracy that thrives on vibrant, sometimes controversial ideas. But I feel worse for American liberals. Because what we have here is one more piece of evidence that too many of them have forgotten how to be liberal. Only about 20 percent of Americans identify themselves as liberals. Liberalism was once a great American movement. It led the fight for civil rights, the most important issue, as far as I'm concerned, of the 20th century. It's a shame that liberalism is dying in this country. It's an outright crime that liberals are killing it. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: All (#0) (Edited) I listen to NPR and they were hammered with emails. On KPCC they said the emails NPR was getting were mostly negative about the firing of Williams. ----------------------------------------------------------- Liberals: -Pro nuclear proliferation. -Support fundamentalist religion that execute gays. -Have no issues with inmate abuse. -In discussions to release J.Pollard. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-21   17:56:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: WhiteSands (#0) when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous. Okay, so Juan along with millions of Americans feel uncomfortable in this situation. Why is it appropriate to fire someone for expressing their true feelings??? NPR is not a private company. It is a government agency. Williams should sue them for violating his first amendment rights. We cannot stand for this politically correct bullshit any longer. If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist. -- Joe Sobran jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-21   17:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: jwpegler (#2) We need to stop the funding of partisan NPR. ----------------------------------------------------------- Liberals: -Pro nuclear proliferation. -Support fundamentalist religion that execute gays. -Have no issues with inmate abuse. -In discussions to release J.Pollard. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-21   18:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: WhiteSands (#3) (Edited) We need to stop the funding of partisan NPR. "We" who? The government? OK, there goes 10%. Happy? Skip Intro  posted on  2010-10-21   19:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Skip Intro, WhiteSands (#4) "We" who? The government. OK, there goes 10%. Happy? Funding According to the 2005 financial statement, NPR makes just over half of its money from the fees and dues it charges member stations to receive programming. Public funding accounts for 16% of the average member station's revenue, with 10% of this coming in the form of grants from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, a federally funded organization.[14][15][16] Some more of that money originates from local and state governments and government-funded universities subsidizing member stations' fees and dues to NPR.[17] Member stations that serve rural and "minority" communities receive significantly more funding from the CPB; in some cases up to 70%.[14] About 2% of NPR's non-membership created funding comes from bidding on government grants and programs, chiefly the Corporation for Public Broadcasting; the remainder comes from member station dues, foundation grants, and corporate underwriting. Typically, NPR member stations raise funds through on-air pledge drives, corporate underwriting, and grants from state governments, universities, and the CPB itself. Over the years, the portion of the total NPR budget that comes from government funding has decreased. During the 1970s and early 1980s, the majority of NPR funding came from the federal government. Steps were taken during the 1980s to completely wean NPR from government support, but the 1983 funding crisis forced the network to make immediate changes. More money to fund the NPR network was raised from listeners, charitable foundations and corporations, and less from the federal government. [edit] Underwriting spots vs. commercials In contrast with commercial radio, NPR does not carry traditional commercials, but has advertising in the form of brief statements from major donors, such as Allstate, Merck, and Archer Daniels Midland. These statements are called "underwriting spots", not commercials, and, unlike commercials, are governed by FCC restrictions; they cannot advocate a product or contain any "call to action". In 2005, corporate sponsorship made up 23% of the NPR budget.[18] NPR is not as dependent on revenue from underwriting spots as commercial stations are on revenue from advertising.[citation needed] [edit] Joan Kroc Grant On November 6, 2003, NPR was given over US$225 million from the estate of the late Joan B. Kroc, the widow of Ray Kroc, founder of McDonald's Corporation. This was a record—the largest monetary gift ever to a cultural institution.[19][20] For context, the 2003 annual budget of NPR was US$101 million. In 2004 that number increased by over 50% to US$153 million due to the Kroc gift. US$34 million of the money was deposited in its endowment.[21] The endowment fund before the gift totaled $35 million.[19] NPR will use the interest from the bequest to expand its news staff and reduce some member stations' fees.[citation needed] The 2005 budget was about US$120 million. [edit] George Soros grant In October 2010, NPR accepted a $1.8 million grant from George Soros, given through his Open Society Foundation. The grant is meant to begin a project called Impact of Government that is intended to add at least 100 journalists at NPR member radio stations in all 50 states over the next three years[22] Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! Brian S  posted on  2010-10-21   19:18:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Brian S (#5) I thought businesses could hire and fire whomever they choose. Isn't that part of the teabagger constitution? It's funny that pinhead O'Reilly doesn't know that. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-10-21   19:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Skip Intro (#6) I thought businesses could hire and fire whomever they choose. Isn't that part of the teabagger constitution? Williams just signed a $2 million deal with Fox, he isn't complaining about this episode anymore. On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending. go65  posted on  2010-10-21   19:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Skip Intro (#6) I thought businesses could hire and fire whomever they choose. Isn't that part of the teabagger constitution? I wonder in what state NPR had hired Juan 'Oreo' Williams. I'm curious if it was an "employment at will" state... Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! Brian S  posted on  2010-10-21   19:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: WhiteSands (#3) We need to stop the funding of partisan NPR. Whether they are partisan or not, the U.S. government is not allowed to run a propaganda arm. Voice of America is not allowed to broadcast in the U.S. So why is NPR? If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist. -- Joe Sobran jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-21   20:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: jwpegler (#9) Whether they are partisan or not, the U.S. government is not allowed to run a propaganda arm. How do you arrive at the idea that the U.S. government is running NPR? Skip Intro  posted on  2010-10-21   21:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: jwpegler (#9) Whether they are partisan or not, the U.S. government is not allowed to run a propaganda arm. Right, that's the job of News Corp. ;-) On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending. go65  posted on  2010-10-21   21:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Skip Intro (#10) (Edited) How do you arrive at the idea that the U.S. government is running NPR? You're joking right? Seriously, are you really this ignorant or are you just being an asshole? NPR is a quasi-public corporation that was created by the government and is funded by taxpayers. Legally, they are not allowed to do this, which is why VOA cannot broadcast in the U.S. If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist. -- Joe Sobran jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-21   21:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: go65 (#11) Right, that's the job of News Corp. ;-) And MSNBC, both of which are private companies which do not receive tax money. If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist. -- Joe Sobran jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-21   21:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: jwpegler (#12) NPR is a quasi-public corporation that was created by the government and is funded by taxpayers. How much funding come from taxpayers? Skip Intro  posted on  2010-10-21   21:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Skip Intro (#14) How much funding come from taxpayers? Any funding meaning government control. The government has no business controlling the press. It's unconditional and legal. If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist. -- Joe Sobran jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-21   21:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: jwpegler (#15) Less than 10%, mostly due to state, not federal support for local public radio. I guess you'd also say that Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck receive government funding because they broadcast over the public airwaves. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-10-21   21:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: jwpegler (#12) You're joking right? Seriously, are you really this ignorant or are you just being an asshole? NPR is a quasi-public corporation that was created by the government and is funded by taxpayers. Legally, they are not allowed to do this, which is why VOA cannot broadcast in the U.S. Are you saying that the government tells NPR what to broadcast, or prevents it from broadcasting certain things? meguro  posted on  2010-10-21   22:34:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: jwpegler, skip intro (#12) NPR is a quasi-public corporation that was created by the government and is funded by taxpayers. That's not true. NPR is a private 501(c)3 corporation, it is managed by a board comprised of member stations. It gets no direct federal money, the only government funds it sees are those sent to it by its member stations, which accounts for about 1-3% of its budget. On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending. go65  posted on  2010-10-22   9:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Skip Intro (#6) I thought businesses could hire and fire whomever they choose. Isn't that part of the teabagger constitution? It's funny that pinhead O'Reilly doesn't know that. Are you REALLY this fucking stupid about laws regarding hiring and firing? Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit. Badeye  posted on  2010-10-22   9:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Brian S (#8) I wonder in what state NPR had hired Juan 'Oreo' Williams. I'm curious if it was an "employment at will" state... You gotta be fucking kidding me here, Brian S. Good Lord, if ANY OTHER media outlet fired a black man for expressing an OPINION - say Fox News for instance - the world would combust. I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread. Un fucking believable. Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit. Badeye  posted on  2010-10-22   9:20:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Skip Intro (#16) I guess you'd also say that Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck receive government funding because they broadcast over the public airwaves. Okay...my question is answered. You really are this fucking stupid. Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit. Badeye  posted on  2010-10-22   9:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: go65 (#18) NPR is a quasi-public corporation that was created by the government and is funded by taxpayers. That's not true. NPR is a private 501(c)3 corporation, it is managed by a board comprised of member stations. It gets no direct federal money, the only government funds it sees are those sent to it by its member stations, which accounts for about 1-3% of its budget. NPR was created in 1970, following congressional passage of the Public Broadcasting Act of 1967. This act was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Radio A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-22   9:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: A K A Stone (#22) NPR did the Republicans a great service in the timing, and how they handled this. I think its pretty clear there's been a bit of a lull the past ten days or so as to 'enthusiasm'. All this really did was display the clearly insane hypocrisy of the uber Left, and reignite the smoldering anger among voters, IMO. They came for Juan Williams and I did nothing....seems appropriate analogy here for many. Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit. Badeye  posted on  2010-10-22   9:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: A K A Stone (#22) NPR was created in 1970, following congressional passage of the Public Broadcasting Act of 1967. This act was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Radio That's true. But it was changed into the 1980's into a private organization. NPR's revenue comes primarily from fees paid by our member stations, contributions from corporate sponsors, institutional foundation grants, gifts from major donors, and fees paid by users of The Public Radio Satellite System. We receive no direct federal funding for operations. The largest share of NPR's revenue comes from program fees and station dues paid by member stations that broadcast NPR programs. http://www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/publicradiofinances.html On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending. go65  posted on  2010-10-22   10:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: go65 (#24) That's true. But it was changed into the 1980's into a private organization. If any company fired a black man for voicing his opinion, then publicly suggested he was 'insane' as NPR's head idiot did yesterday, the lawsuits would be flying, the NAACP and all the race based companies would be in full battle cry. The Congressional Black Caucus would be DEMANDING immediate investigations. Boycotts would be called for. Marches would be held. Picketting would have begun 24 hours ago. Personally, I'm very happy NPR did this, at this particular moment. Right before the election, and right before their next 'beg-a-thon'. Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit. Badeye  posted on  2010-10-22   10:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Badeye (#25) Personally, I'm very happy NPR did this, at this particular moment. Right before the election, and right before their next 'beg-a-thon'. NPR doesn't run fund raising drives, you have them confused with their member stations which are all independent entities. FWIW, I agree with you that it was stupid to fire Williams. On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending. go65  posted on  2010-10-22   11:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: go65 (#26) NPR doesn't run fund raising drives, you have them confused with their member stations which are all independent entities. FWIW, I agree with you that it was stupid to fire Williams. I know, but NPR's headquarters mentioned the upcoming fundraising drive in relation to the Williams fiasco. Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit. Badeye  posted on  2010-10-22   11:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Skip Intro (#16) I guess you'd also say that Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck receive government funding because they broadcast over the public airwaves. That's a load of crap and you know it. Broadcast companies pay the government to license spectrum. The government does not pay the broadcasters. If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist. -- Joe Sobran jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-22   12:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: jwpegler (#28) It's just as big a pile of crap as you saying NPR is controlled by the government. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-10-22   12:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: meguro (#17) Are you saying that the government tells NPR what to broadcast, or prevents it from broadcasting certain things? Government funding always comes with strings. Always. It's an undeniable fact that NPR is largely inhabited by rabid leftists, who regularly toe the big government line. If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist. -- Joe Sobran jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-22   12:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Skip Intro (#29) It's just as big a pile of crap as you saying NPR is controlled by the government. Interesting. Someone points out the blatantly obvious conflict of interest in Skivvy's world-view and Skivvy lashes out in denial. Very interesting indeed. And humorous too. Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron) Rudgear  posted on  2010-10-22   12:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: go65 (#18) (Edited) the only government funds it sees are those sent to it by its member stations Which is still taxpayer's money. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting was created when there were 3 broadcast Television networks and mostly AM radio stations. Today we have hundreds of capable stations, FM radio, digital satellite radio, digital terrestrial radio, and millions of global internet radio, internet television, internet print media,internet bloggers, on and on. It is absolutely outrageous that taxpayers are forced to support a propaganda organization which promotes big government leftism. If you like NPR, then donate your own damn money to it instead of stealing my money. "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-22   12:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: jwpegler (#32) It is absolutely outrageous that taxpayers are forced to support a propaganda organization which promotes big government leftism. How about a deal - end public funding for public radio and end tax breaks for news corp/fox that allows murdoch to shelter earnings overseas? On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending. go65  posted on  2010-10-22   12:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: jwpegler (#30) Government funding always comes with strings. Always. It's an undeniable fact that NPR is largely inhabited by rabid leftists, who regularly toe the big government line. Hmmm... not sure how that statement proves much of anything, aside from exposing your own personal bias. You might also want to take a look at this. In particular.... "NPR receives no direct funding from the federal government.[18] The amount of funding NPR receives from groups like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which does receive federal funding, is less than two percent. During the 1970s and early 1980s, the majority of NPR funding came from the federal government." Seems to me your knowledge about NPR's funding is about 30 years out of date. meguro  posted on  2010-10-22   21:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: meguro, jwpegler (#34) LOL! Flaming faggot LIEberal tries to defend flaming faggot LIEberal "news" "media". Said flaming faggot contends that NPR does NOT get the vast majority of it's funding from the US feral gooberment. Flaming faggot is poster child for flaming faggot LIEberals. Gee. Who saw THAT coming? /S Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free! Mad Dog  posted on  2010-10-22   21:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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