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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In U.S. Constitution See other U.S. Constitution Articles Title: Christine O'Donnell Asks Where Constitution Calls For Separation Of Church, State Source: Associated Press URL Source: http://www.bnd.com/2010/10/19/14432 ... nell-questions-separation.html Published: Oct 19, 2010 Author: Associated Press Post Date: 2010-10-19 11:29:00 by Brian S Keywords: None Views: 199002 Comments: 236 WASHINGTON -- Republican Senate nominee Christine O'Donnell of Delaware is questioning whether the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from establishing religion. In a debate at Widener University Law School, O'Donnell criticized Democratic nominee Chris Coons' position that teaching creationism in public school would violate the First Amendment by promoting religious doctrine. O'Donnell asked where the Constitution calls for the separation of church and state. When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?" Delaware Senate The exchange Tuesday aired on radio station WDEL generated a buzz among law professors and students in the audience. Subscribe to *Tea Party On Parade* Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 222. #1. To: Brian S (#0) Pssst. She's right. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say a thing about 'seperation of church and state'. The history, and the revisionist history, related to this...theory, is facinating and revealing. It was from a USSC minority ruling, designed to keep a specific religion from attaining elective office, in short. Badeye  posted on  2010-10-19   11:31:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Badeye, All (#1) Pssst. She's right. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say a thing about 'seperation of church and state'. Relax, Christine O'Donnell! Nobody knows the First Amendment. By Alexandra Petri | October 19, 2010 "Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" -- Delaware Republican Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell's question during a debate with Democratic challenger Chris Coons. Christine O'Donnell doesn't know that the Constitution guarantees the separation of church and state. Who does? Christine explicitly said she didn't bring her Constitution with her! That ought to be enough. Why taunt her? Instead of pretending we know what the Constitution says and are indignant that she doesn't, let's fess up. I studied history for years, so I know that our nation was founded by Sacagawea. Also, Columbus Day is a holiday where we celebrate that city that isn't Dayton, because it doesn't get enough love! When it comes to the Constitution, I know that if someone ever approaches me and suggests that I'm a "loose constructionist," I'm supposed to throw my drink in his face and say "Maybe your mother was, but I'm not that kind of girl!" Sometimes, it makes sense! And when it comes to knowing my amendments? On Law and Order, people always say "I'm pleading the fifth," so I bet the Fifth Amendment is the amendment where Mariska Hargitay looks steely and thinks about alcoholism. There's some amendment that has to do with cruel and unusual punishment, probably saying something along the lines of "absolutely fine, as long as you feel somewhat convinced he's a terrorist." I bet that's the one they used to open Guantanamo! I don't know what the Nineteenth Amendment is, but I have a bad feeling about it. If I ever become a lawyer, I plan to tell my clients to "use the Fourth" a lot, then laugh mysteriously. I went to a bar once called the Twenty First amendment, so I am fairly convinced that the Twenty First Amendment had something to do with bars. Or maybe that was the Eleventh Amendment. I don't remember that evening very well. Maybe Christine O'Donnell's been there. And maybe it's not just me. A survey on the First Amendment conducted throughout high schools found that students don't know the rights the First Amendment guarantees -- and when it was explained to them, more than one in three felt it went too far. So instead of jumping on Christine, maybe we should take a look at ourselves. Like she says, "I'm you." voices.washingtonpost.com...stine_odonnell_nobod.html lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-19   13:38:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: lucysmom (#17) There's some amendment that has to do with cruel and unusual punishment, probably saying something along the lines of "absolutely fine, as long as you feel somewhat convinced he's a terrorist." I bet that's the one they used to open Guantanamo! Not true. The Bill of Rights ONLY applies to people who are on American soil. Actually,it doesn't even apply to active duty members of the US military. They are governed by the Universal Code of Military Justice,and the Bill of Rights does NOT apply to them. sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-19   18:49:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: sneakypete (#25) (Edited) The Bill of Rights ONLY applies to people who are on American soil. A US military base isn't considered US soil? Well then, whose soil is it... Fidel's? Well then, that's mighty convenient. Randomly capture people on foreign soil, send them to Cuba, and then proudly declare that due process doesn't apply to them. You betcha! meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   1:06:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: meguro (#31) A US military base isn't considered US soil? I know this is a complex matter for you to work your way through,but it's only on US soil if it is IN the US. Well then, whose soil is it... Fidel's? Yes. I hate to disappoint you,but the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is NOT a US state. It is leased land belonging to Cuba. Well then, that's mighty convenient. Duhhhhh! Think of that all by yourself,Captain Obvious? Randomly capture people on foreign soil, Yeah,the poor downtrodden fundie Muslim masses,caught setting bombs or carrying arms against US troops. Duh poor bayb-bees! send them to Cuba, and then proudly declare that due process doesn't apply to them. It doesn't,numbnuts. You betcha! We already knew you are a Dim. Now you provide proof of your qualifications. sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-20   7:48:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #128. To: sneakypete (#39) (Edited) Yes. I hate to disappoint you,but the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is NOT a US state. It is leased land belonging to Cuba. Oh yes, and I'm sure if/when the lease expires and Cuba refuses to renew, the US will just pack up and leave, eh? Sure, you betcha! What about Iraq and Afghanistan... are they leased too? Yeah,the poor downtrodden fundie Muslim masses,caught setting bombs or carrying arms against US troops. Duh poor bayb-bees! What part of "innocent until proven guilty" confuses you? Has it been proven that all of them captured were engaged in those activities? We already knew you are a Dim. Now you provide proof of your qualifications. Well, not all of us can be card carrying members of the Gay Old Party like you! Well then, I guess we've found something on which you agree with Obama that a disagree with... imagine that! meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   17:25:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #132. To: meguro (#128) (Edited) What part of "innocent until proven guilty" confuses you? Has it been proven that all of them captured were engaged in those activities? Excellent point! Since Obama has taken over the trials have been stopped. He refuses them due process while keeping the base open. We now learn he is operating a secret prison in Afghanistan! WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   17:35:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #133. To: WhiteSands (#132) Excellent point! Since Obama has taken over the trials have been stopped. He refuses them due process while keeping the base open. That's right, and I disagree strongly with Obama on this. On the other hand, I'm imagine you're ecstatic about it, and fully support Obama on this. Am I wrong? meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   17:36:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #138. To: meguro (#133) (Edited) Am I wrong? Yes you are wrong. Again. Your support of Obama and silence on this important issue displays just how fake your concern for humanity is. I have posted several articles on Obama's on going torture at Gitmo and his new secret Afghan prison. You have been absent from them all. Nor have you posted any articles about his issue. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   17:42:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #139. To: WhiteSands (#138) Yes you are wrong. Again. Your support and silence on this important issue displays just how fake your concern for humanity is. I have posted several articles on Obama's on going torture at Gitmo and his new secret Afgan prison. You have been absent from them all. Nor have you posted any articles about his issue. Piss off, wacko. meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   17:42:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #140. To: meguro (#139) Piss off, wacko. You always have to resort to personal attacks. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   17:45:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #141. To: WhiteSands (#140) You always have to resort to personal attacks. You start them, Whitey. meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   17:51:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #144. To: meguro (#141) Use my copy anbd paste instructions to prove you assertion. Or remain the syph infected liar we see here. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   17:57:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #145. To: WhiteSands (#144) Use my copy anbd paste instructions to prove you assertion. Or remain the syph infected liar we see here. Eat shit and die, mental case. meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   18:00:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #147. To: meguro (#145) Eat shit and die, mental case. You have chosen , or do you feel it's gentic, to remain the syph infected liar we see here. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   18:01:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #153. To: all (#147) Saying there is no separation of church and state, is like saying there is no separation of powers in the US constitution. Both are paraphrases for what the constitution says. Any conservatives going to argue the constitution doesn't have a separation of powers? The Constitution gives the Federal government no power over religious matters, and specifically bans establishment and bans the infringement of religious freedom. To the critics who say there is no federal separation of church and state, where does the Constitution give the government power to influence the church? Where does it give the government the power to regulation a persons religious beliefs? What are you going to do argue the commerce clause? Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   18:11:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #163. To: Rhino (#153) Saying there is no separation of church and state, If there is separation of church and state, then the Federal governmemt should have no say so in what religion is or is not taught in local schools. Of course, we know that is notxthe case. Idiots like Coons don't realize they are not arguing for separation; they are arguing against it. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-10-20   18:26:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #169. To: no gnu taxes (#163) If there is separation of church and state, then the Federal governmemt should have no say so in what religion is or is not taught in local schools. Of course, we know that is notxthe case. Idiots like Coons don't realize they are not arguing for separation; they are arguing against it. The 14th amendment now forces all levels of government to follow the Bill of Rights. This means the State governments have to have a separation of church and state as well. Of course most states have a separation built into their constitution as well. The Federal government doesn't tell the states they can't teach religion, the US Constitution does. You are effectively arguing that the right to bears arms, means the Fed's can't tell you whether your state can tell you have guns or not have guns. That is really twisted logic. Furthermore why do Conservatives want godless commie schools teaching their kids religion anyway? Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   18:33:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #180. To: Rhino (#169) The 14th amendment now forces all levels of government to follow the Bill of Rights. The 14th Amendment did not repeal the 10th Amendment. The Federal government doesn't tell the states they can't teach religion, the US Constitution does. Feel free to point the words that do so. You are effectively arguing that the right to bears arms, means the Fed's can't tell you whether your state can tell you have guns or not have guns. Actually, that's what YOU are arguing. What is taught in local schools is none of the Feds business. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-10-20   18:45:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #195. To: no gnu taxes (#180) The 14th Amendment did not repeal the 10th Amendment. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The 14th amendment makes the Bill of Rights apply to the states by the Constitution. That is perfectly in line with the bolded part of the tenth. The states are now prohibited from infringing our rights. Those powers are prohibited by the Constitution (14th amendment). Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   18:56:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #202. To: Rhino (#195) The 14th amendment makes the Bill of Rights apply to the states by the Constitution. That is perfectly in line with the bolded part of the tenth. You are just repeating yourself. Here is the 14th Amendment: http://www.14thamendment.us/amendment/14th_amendment.html Cut and paste the WORDS whick make you think the Federal Govt now has the authority to involve itself in local religious practices. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-10-20   19:00:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #206. To: no gnu taxes (#202) Cut and paste the WORDS whick make you think the Federal Govt now has the authority to involve itself in local religious practices. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   19:02:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #209. To: Rhino (#206) No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. So if States arbitrarily refuse schools the tight to teach creationist philosophies alongside evolution, they are depriving students of knowledge, and the Fed Govt should step in and force them to teach it, huh. When do you think they'll start doing this? no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-10-20   19:06:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #211. To: no gnu taxes (#209) So if States arbitrarily refuse schools the tight to teach creationist philosophies alongside evolution, they are depriving students of knowledge, and the Fed Govt should step in and force them to teach it, huh. When do you think they'll start doing this? Creationism is a religious doctrine. The schools can teach what they want as long as it isn't an establishment of a religion. Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   19:10:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #213. To: Rhino (#211) Creationism is a religious doctrine. The schools can teach what they want as long as it isn't an establishment of a religion. A religion isn't being taught. It's merely an alternative theory of the origins. There's no dogma, or sects, or creeds. And even if there were, how is anybody being deprived of life, liberty or property? By hearing something they might object to? So any kid in any classroom who hears something they object to is protected by the 14th Amendment? The only ones being deprived are those being deprived of a complete education. Why isn't the Fed Govt helping them. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-10-20   19:16:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #214. To: no gnu taxes (#213) A religion isn't being taught. It's merely an alternative theory of the origins. There's no dogma, or sects, or creeds. Genesis isn't a theory it's a religious text. And even if there were, how is anybody being deprived of life, liberty or property? By hearing something they might object to? So any kid in any classroom who hears something they object to is protected by the 14th Amendment? Liberty to freely excercise their religion, and freedom from an establishment of a state religion. A school can't teach your religion is false. Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   19:18:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #216. To: Rhino (#214) Genesis isn't a theory it's a religious text. Thar's an entirely different issue; not a Constitutional one -- whatever one's opinion is. Liberty to freely excercise their religion, and freedom from an establishment of a state religion. Everybody is free to engage in whatever religion they want. What if I objected to my kid being exposed to the religion of evolution? A school can't teach your religion is false. Yet you feel it is okay to teach creationism is false. Teaching evolution does just that. Anyway, it is a weak argument on its very face to suggest anybody is being deprived of life or liberty by the 14th Amendment and was not the argument that was used for the Supreme Court to enter this fray. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-10-20   19:28:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #217. To: no gnu taxes (#216) Thar's an entirely different issue; not a Constitutional one -- whatever one's opinion is. No it very much is a Constitutional one. Everybody is free to engage in whatever religion they want. What if I objected to my kid being exposed to the religion of evolution? Under no reasonable definition of religion does evolution apply. Yet you feel it is okay to teach creationism is false. Teaching evolution does just that. If reality and your religion collide, that's on you. But the school can't explicitly say it invalidates your religion. Anyway, it is a weak argument on its very face to suggest anybody is being deprived of life or liberty by the 14th Amendment and was not the argument that was used for the Supreme Court to enter this fray. The first amendment is on it's face a liberty issue. Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   19:33:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #220. To: Rhino (#217) Thar's an entirely different issue; not a Constitutional one -- whatever one's opinion is. No it very much is a Constitutional one. No it's not. You can't see the difference because you are a bigot. Under no reasonable definition of religion does evolution apply. BS. It's unfalsifiable, unverifiable, unprovable, and based on a tautology. But even that's beside the point. If reality and your religion collide, that's on you. But the school can't explicitly say it invalidates your religion. What reality would that be, that you support depriving studemts of a complete educarion, and the Feds doing theit job under the 14rt Amendment of enforcing this? The first amendment is on it's face a liberty issue. Ans students and schools are being deprived of their 1st amendment liberties and pinheads like you support it. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-10-20   19:42:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #221. To: no gnu taxes (#220) No it's not. You can't see the difference because you are a bigot. Haha, I guess the entirely Christian Supreme Court that agreed with me are bigots too. BS. It's unfalsifiable, unverifiable, unprovable, and based on a tautology. But even that's beside the point. Find a human bone ten millions year old. That's disprove it instantly. Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   19:45:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #222. To: Rhino (#221) Find a human bone ten millions year old. That's disprove it instantly. I'll leave the bullshit of evolution to anther thread. I guess the entirely Christian Supreme Court that agreed with me are bigots too. You might want to look up their 1984 decision on the matter. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-10-20   19:54:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 222.         There are no replies to Comment # 222. End Trace Mode for Comment # 222. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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