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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In U.S. Constitution See other U.S. Constitution Articles Title: Christine O'Donnell Asks Where Constitution Calls For Separation Of Church, State Source: Associated Press URL Source: http://www.bnd.com/2010/10/19/14432 ... nell-questions-separation.html Published: Oct 19, 2010 Author: Associated Press Post Date: 2010-10-19 11:29:00 by Brian S Keywords: None Views: 199364 Comments: 236 WASHINGTON -- Republican Senate nominee Christine O'Donnell of Delaware is questioning whether the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from establishing religion. In a debate at Widener University Law School, O'Donnell criticized Democratic nominee Chris Coons' position that teaching creationism in public school would violate the First Amendment by promoting religious doctrine. O'Donnell asked where the Constitution calls for the separation of church and state. When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?" Delaware Senate The exchange Tuesday aired on radio station WDEL generated a buzz among law professors and students in the audience. Subscribe to *Tea Party On Parade* Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 198. #1. To: Brian S (#0) Pssst. She's right. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say a thing about 'seperation of church and state'. The history, and the revisionist history, related to this...theory, is facinating and revealing. It was from a USSC minority ruling, designed to keep a specific religion from attaining elective office, in short. Badeye  posted on  2010-10-19   11:31:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Badeye, All (#1) Pssst. She's right. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say a thing about 'seperation of church and state'. Relax, Christine O'Donnell! Nobody knows the First Amendment. By Alexandra Petri | October 19, 2010 "Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" -- Delaware Republican Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell's question during a debate with Democratic challenger Chris Coons. Christine O'Donnell doesn't know that the Constitution guarantees the separation of church and state. Who does? Christine explicitly said she didn't bring her Constitution with her! That ought to be enough. Why taunt her? Instead of pretending we know what the Constitution says and are indignant that she doesn't, let's fess up. I studied history for years, so I know that our nation was founded by Sacagawea. Also, Columbus Day is a holiday where we celebrate that city that isn't Dayton, because it doesn't get enough love! When it comes to the Constitution, I know that if someone ever approaches me and suggests that I'm a "loose constructionist," I'm supposed to throw my drink in his face and say "Maybe your mother was, but I'm not that kind of girl!" Sometimes, it makes sense! And when it comes to knowing my amendments? On Law and Order, people always say "I'm pleading the fifth," so I bet the Fifth Amendment is the amendment where Mariska Hargitay looks steely and thinks about alcoholism. There's some amendment that has to do with cruel and unusual punishment, probably saying something along the lines of "absolutely fine, as long as you feel somewhat convinced he's a terrorist." I bet that's the one they used to open Guantanamo! I don't know what the Nineteenth Amendment is, but I have a bad feeling about it. If I ever become a lawyer, I plan to tell my clients to "use the Fourth" a lot, then laugh mysteriously. I went to a bar once called the Twenty First amendment, so I am fairly convinced that the Twenty First Amendment had something to do with bars. Or maybe that was the Eleventh Amendment. I don't remember that evening very well. Maybe Christine O'Donnell's been there. And maybe it's not just me. A survey on the First Amendment conducted throughout high schools found that students don't know the rights the First Amendment guarantees -- and when it was explained to them, more than one in three felt it went too far. So instead of jumping on Christine, maybe we should take a look at ourselves. Like she says, "I'm you." voices.washingtonpost.com...stine_odonnell_nobod.html lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-19   13:38:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: lucysmom (#17) There's some amendment that has to do with cruel and unusual punishment, probably saying something along the lines of "absolutely fine, as long as you feel somewhat convinced he's a terrorist." I bet that's the one they used to open Guantanamo! Not true. The Bill of Rights ONLY applies to people who are on American soil. Actually,it doesn't even apply to active duty members of the US military. They are governed by the Universal Code of Military Justice,and the Bill of Rights does NOT apply to them. sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-19   18:49:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: sneakypete (#25) (Edited) The Bill of Rights ONLY applies to people who are on American soil. A US military base isn't considered US soil? Well then, whose soil is it... Fidel's? Well then, that's mighty convenient. Randomly capture people on foreign soil, send them to Cuba, and then proudly declare that due process doesn't apply to them. You betcha! meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   1:06:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: meguro (#31) A US military base isn't considered US soil? I know this is a complex matter for you to work your way through,but it's only on US soil if it is IN the US. Well then, whose soil is it... Fidel's? Yes. I hate to disappoint you,but the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is NOT a US state. It is leased land belonging to Cuba. Well then, that's mighty convenient. Duhhhhh! Think of that all by yourself,Captain Obvious? Randomly capture people on foreign soil, Yeah,the poor downtrodden fundie Muslim masses,caught setting bombs or carrying arms against US troops. Duh poor bayb-bees! send them to Cuba, and then proudly declare that due process doesn't apply to them. It doesn't,numbnuts. You betcha! We already knew you are a Dim. Now you provide proof of your qualifications. sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-20   7:48:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #128. To: sneakypete (#39) (Edited) Yes. I hate to disappoint you,but the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is NOT a US state. It is leased land belonging to Cuba. Oh yes, and I'm sure if/when the lease expires and Cuba refuses to renew, the US will just pack up and leave, eh? Sure, you betcha! What about Iraq and Afghanistan... are they leased too? Yeah,the poor downtrodden fundie Muslim masses,caught setting bombs or carrying arms against US troops. Duh poor bayb-bees! What part of "innocent until proven guilty" confuses you? Has it been proven that all of them captured were engaged in those activities? We already knew you are a Dim. Now you provide proof of your qualifications. Well, not all of us can be card carrying members of the Gay Old Party like you! Well then, I guess we've found something on which you agree with Obama that a disagree with... imagine that! meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   17:25:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #132. To: meguro (#128) (Edited) What part of "innocent until proven guilty" confuses you? Has it been proven that all of them captured were engaged in those activities? Excellent point! Since Obama has taken over the trials have been stopped. He refuses them due process while keeping the base open. We now learn he is operating a secret prison in Afghanistan! WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   17:35:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #133. To: WhiteSands (#132) Excellent point! Since Obama has taken over the trials have been stopped. He refuses them due process while keeping the base open. That's right, and I disagree strongly with Obama on this. On the other hand, I'm imagine you're ecstatic about it, and fully support Obama on this. Am I wrong? meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   17:36:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #138. To: meguro (#133) (Edited) Am I wrong? Yes you are wrong. Again. Your support of Obama and silence on this important issue displays just how fake your concern for humanity is. I have posted several articles on Obama's on going torture at Gitmo and his new secret Afghan prison. You have been absent from them all. Nor have you posted any articles about his issue. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   17:42:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #139. To: WhiteSands (#138) Yes you are wrong. Again. Your support and silence on this important issue displays just how fake your concern for humanity is. I have posted several articles on Obama's on going torture at Gitmo and his new secret Afgan prison. You have been absent from them all. Nor have you posted any articles about his issue. Piss off, wacko. meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   17:42:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #140. To: meguro (#139) Piss off, wacko. You always have to resort to personal attacks. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   17:45:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #141. To: WhiteSands (#140) You always have to resort to personal attacks. You start them, Whitey. meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   17:51:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #144. To: meguro (#141) Use my copy anbd paste instructions to prove you assertion. Or remain the syph infected liar we see here. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   17:57:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #145. To: WhiteSands (#144) Use my copy anbd paste instructions to prove you assertion. Or remain the syph infected liar we see here. Eat shit and die, mental case. meguro  posted on  2010-10-20   18:00:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #147. To: meguro (#145) Eat shit and die, mental case. You have chosen , or do you feel it's gentic, to remain the syph infected liar we see here. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   18:01:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #153. To: all (#147) Saying there is no separation of church and state, is like saying there is no separation of powers in the US constitution. Both are paraphrases for what the constitution says. Any conservatives going to argue the constitution doesn't have a separation of powers? The Constitution gives the Federal government no power over religious matters, and specifically bans establishment and bans the infringement of religious freedom. To the critics who say there is no federal separation of church and state, where does the Constitution give the government power to influence the church? Where does it give the government the power to regulation a persons religious beliefs? What are you going to do argue the commerce clause? Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   18:11:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #163. To: Rhino (#153) Saying there is no separation of church and state, If there is separation of church and state, then the Federal governmemt should have no say so in what religion is or is not taught in local schools. Of course, we know that is notxthe case. Idiots like Coons don't realize they are not arguing for separation; they are arguing against it. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-10-20   18:26:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #167. To: no gnu taxes (#163) (Edited) I know you know this. But there is no separation of church and state. There is a prohibition against CONGRESS ONLY from prohibiting people from practicing their religion or from the CONGRESS from interfering with peoples free exercise of their religion. The godless liberals just like to say separation of church and state because it is easier to spin then the words in the constitution. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-20   18:30:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #170. To: A K A Stone (#167) I know you know this. But there is no separation of church and state. There is a prohibition against CONGRESS ONLY from prohibiting people from practicing their religion or from the CONGRESS from interfering with peoples free exercise of their religion. The godless liberals just like to say separation of church and state because it is easier to spin then the words in the constitution. Godless Liberals like Thomas Jefferson. What an anti American piece of shit that guy was huh? Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   18:34:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #173. To: Rhino (#170) Thomas Jefferson was a great President. Maybe the best. He wasn't godless either. Do you know that the creator in the Declaration is God? He was a creationist. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-20   18:37:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #174. To: A K A Stone (#173) Thomas Jefferson was a great President. Maybe the best. He wasn't godless either. Do you know that the creator in the Declaration is God? He was a creationist. Yea no shit, I was being facetious. To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut. Gentlemen The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing. Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion, practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties. I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association assurances of my high respect & esteem. (signed) Thomas Jefferson Jan.1.1802. Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   18:39:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #179. To: Rhino (#174) A letter not a law. If you argue Constitutional Law based on Jefferson's personal life, then you could argue slavery is good. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-20   18:44:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #184. To: WhiteSands (#179) A letter not a law. If you argue Constitutional Law based on Jefferson's personal life, then you could argue slavery is good. The first amendment is law however. And it does separate church and state. Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   18:49:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #190. To: Rhino (#184) The first amendment essentially guarantees the right to religious freedom without any interference from the federal govt. Its purpose is to protect the churches, not the govt. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-10-20   18:52:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #192. To: no gnu taxes (#190) The first amendment essentially guarantees the right to religious freedom without any interference from the federal govt. Its purpose is to protect the churches, not the govt. It also prevents the establishment of a religion. And yes the point is to protect all religions. Which is why the government can't teach any. Because teaching one is teaching against all the rest. Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   18:53:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #194. To: Rhino (#192) And yes the point is to protect all religions. Which is why the government can't teach any. Because teaching one is teaching against all the rest. Incorrect. The prohibition is on Congress only. Not state or local govts. That is the true meaning of the words in the first amendment. Come on be honest and admit it and quit spinning. You will be ok. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-20   18:55:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #198. To: A K A Stone (#194) Incorrect. The prohibition is on Congress only. Not state or local govts. That is the true meaning of the words in the first amendment. Come on be honest and admit it and quit spinning. You will be ok. Until the passage of the 14th Amendment, absolutely. However most states have the first amendment in their constitutions as well. It would take amending their constitutions to remove them. However after the 14th amendment, the Bill of Rights applies to all levels of governments. To make a long story short, we fought this war, your side lost, and we made the 14th amendment. Rhino  posted on  2010-10-20   18:58:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 198. #230. To: Rhino (#198) To make a long story short, we fought this war, your side lost, and we made the 14th amendment. That's what winners do - make the rules. lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-21 11:00:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 198. 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