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Title: Vibrant life ends in war zone -- Former UO exchange student Linda Norgrove, kidnapped by militants, died in a failed rescue attempt
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URL Source: http://registerguard.com/csp/cms/si ... ie-lucile-afghanistan-dean.csp
Published: Oct 12, 2010
Author: Saul Hubbard
Post Date: 2010-10-12 15:49:17 by Ferret Mike
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Views: 16384
Comments: 72
When Dean and Lucile McKenzie of Eugene think back on Linda Norgrove, they remember a young woman who wanted to try everything. There was the time that Norgrove, then an exchange student from Scotland enrolled at the University of Oregon, saw climbers ascending the basalt columns at Skinner Butte Park. “I want to do that,” she said instantly. Or the time she saw a Eugene street performer juggling bowling pins. “I’ve got to give that to try,” she said. Finally, they recall the time that Norgrove set her heart on cycling across the United States with a friend. The McKenzies weren’t sure that two young women should be cycling across the country on their own. Norgrove and her friend did it anyway. “She was always doing something,” Lucile McKenzie said Monday. “Sometimes the things she wanted to do made your hair stand on end, but that was just the way she was.” In recent years, the things Norgrove wanted to do was to help the people of Afghanistan, where she had worked off and on as an aid worker since 2005. Militants abducted Norgrove and three Afghan colleagues on Sept. 26 as they drove in two unarmored cars through Kunar province, which borders Pakistan. The Afghan captives were freed last week, but the Taliban-aligned Islamic militants held Norgrove, 36, at a compound in eastern Afghanistan’s mountains. On Friday, Norgrove was killed in a failed rescue attempt led by the U.S. military. After consulting with British officials, the U.S. military ordered the rescue mission after concluding that Norgrove was in danger of being spirited into Pakistan and turned over to even more recalcitrant insurgents. On Monday, reports surfaced that Norgrove may have been killed by friendly fire — an American grenade — and not by an insurgent’s explosive device as initially reported. The U.S. Army has begun a high-level investigation into her death. The McKenzies first learned of Norgrove’s death, along with most of the world, over the weekend. “I don’t think either of us has even recovered from the news yet,” Lucile McKenzie said Monday. “It doesn’t seem real. She was so alive and vibrant, it’s hard to imagine her dead. We’re just devastated.” If it’s true that Norgrove was killed by friendly fire, “it definitely makes me mad,” McKenzie said. “You have to wonder about the (necessity of a) rescue mission,” Dean McKenzie added. “The kidnappers aren’t dumb. They weren’t going to kill their most famous abductee.” Norgrove was only 19 when she came to Eugene to study biology at the UO in the fall of 1993. Although she lived in the university dorms, the McKenzies acted as her host family — as they have done with many international students over the years — and helped her to adjust to life in Oregon. “We’d see her about two or three times a month,” Dean McKenzie said. “She’d come over for dinner or we’d take a day trip together.” The McKenzies still have photographs of themselves and Norgrove visiting the ghost town of Jawbone Flats and skiing at Willamette Pass. She was always a friendly, charming girl, they say, and they stayed close to her in the years after she left Oregon. In 1999, they met up with Norgrove in London during a trip to Europe. They also remained in frequent correspondence with Norgrove and read about a life path that took her to Peru, Uganda, Laos and Afghanistan. Norgrove’s letters to the McKenzies are full of life and verve. In one, she describes participating in the Maralal International Camel Derby in Kenya, a 10-kilometer camel race. “Riding at a run on a camel is just like doing rising trot on a horse,” she wrote. In the same letter, she describes bringing Legos to a school and the children’s joyful reaction. “My only concern that I have is that they might be so treasured that they’ll be set aside on display and no one be allowed to play with them,” she wrote. Her letters are dotted with excited exclamation marks, and she seemed always to have more to say than space on the paper. Although she wasn’t impractical or foolhardy, Norgrove never seemed fearful despite the inherent risks of her lifestyle, Lucile McKenzie said. She remembers Norgrove getting mugged and having her backpack stolen in Africa, but as she recalls it, Norgrove was more upset about the research notes she lost than scared by the incident. The most recent letter the McKenzies received from Norgrove is dated Nov. 12, 2007, and was sent from Kabul. It is far less cheerful in tone than the others. Toward the end of the letter, she explained that she was glad she was taking Afghan language classes. “It is very nice to be able to have basic conversation with women although it really saddens me to see the lives they lead confined to their houses and with less than minimal freedom. Changes are really occurring too slowly for them,” she wrote. Lucile McKenzie said she thinks Norgrove would have stayed in Afghanistan as long as she could because she liked the country and loved its people. “She loved Afghanistan so much and wanted to make it a better country,” Lucile McKenzie said. “I think if she had had her choice of places to die, she probably would have chosen Afghanistan.” McClatchy-Tribune news service contributed to this report.
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#33. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
Not saying,"They can't", asking is it wise? I say no. If a man can do the job, send him. His life is worth less than a woman's in the long-run.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
I disagree. My Mom was the youngest woman to ever get a private pilot ticket in 1952 at age 16 in Connecticut. She had heavy opposition to her quest; a couple guys told her flat out women just didn't have the temperament or skill potential to fly. But she was a great pilot. She flew with me much of the time after I soloed until I got my private pilot ticket too. My Dad was her instructor, which is where I came along, sorta unplanned. My Dad also was a Naval aviator in the Pacific Theater in WW II. ;) I say let a woman do as she feels she can. I even support them doing combat missions.
A woman's place is in the House.... and Senate. Hopefully soon we'll have a woman president early this century as well. Too bad some really qualified ones like Shirley Chisholm who ran in the primaries in 1972 never had a chance. You forgot to include the "nose sniff of superiority" while exposing your ass.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
For money. Which I guess proves she wasn't wanted and needed by THEM. She was something to be sold.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
ROFLMAO!OK,that one was funny enough to win a humor ping for you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That is SO BULLSHIT
Really? What did he fly? Was her carrier based? Look, why should we put our most precious resources in harms way though?
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
All human life is precious, in fact all life is. I refuse to consider one gender as more valuable' as many times it is an excuse to justify repression as protection. Something we all see the Muslims getting slam dunked on concerning their blaming of women as the perpetrators of male libido. Lt. Daniel Anthony McCarthy was carrier trained, but flew mainly from naval airfields. He started with the F6F Hellcat. And when he got out, he was flying the F8F Bearcat. He went on to first be an inspector at Pratt and Whitney, and died of a heart attack when he was a commercial pilot for Wyatt Oil of New Haven, CT.
Nah, you did a nice enough job showing you don't consider a wife to be a domestic partner. To you, a woman is chattel, and at best an employee. One need not pose as superior to someone who already has degraded themselves.
Not "repression", but intelligent planning. I know women can be great pilots, CEOs, etc., but is it wise to put the originator of the next generation in harms way? Of course not. Why would you want to put our nation's future generation at risk?
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
Why assume it's only the woman who makes a child? Last time I looked, the blueprints used to construct a new human body for the essence of a new life to live in are provided by both man and woman. Just because they have the added chore of being the half of a couple who bears young, does not mean they should be treated as second class citizens relegated to the role of either being barefoot and pregnant, or the deliverer of a beer to her mate during a football game on TV.
Fuck Mike, are you crazy, or batshit crazy? You go to public school or something?
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
Actually, I went to private schools. Took three years of Latin ass well as French, read a book by Theodore Dreiser, An American Tragedy in 7th grade for an example of the material we covered in English; even wore neck ties, blazers with the school patch and went to Chapel every Thursday. Why? Does one only learn of Deoxyribonucleic acid and how two gametes (a sperm and an egg) can unite and become a fertilized, diploid egg cell and develop into a child if they go to a public school? Why is the fact I know this so upsetting to you? I dearly love women. But there are two genders in the human species, and both consist of individuals that are valuable and reproduce. Try a Midol, perhaps that will help.
Try a Midol, perhaps that will help. Son, THE "limiting" factor of population growth is the number of women, not men. Thus, women are more important than men to future generations. I'll give you sometime to think about it. And don't be an asshole. I treated you with respect, show some in kind.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
Well kid, last time I looked, the human species was in no danger of not producing more then enough children so we'll have an reduction in kids around the world dying of hunger or disease any time soon. Even in the developed countries and the United States, there is no shortage of people. Oh I am more then aware of the fact we can generate the same number of people with less men, and the population would drop with less women. However, this is not the 1800s with a far smaller base population, higher child mortality, and far more elbow room for new population to surge into. Believe it or not, there is enough people to easily afford the luxury of allowing women equal rights and opportunities without destroying the human race as we know it. Women are more then sperm receptacles. And not even respect for homosexuality, or transgender people is going to empty the Earth of humans. Face it; you hate thinking of women as equals. How do you feel about abortion for rape victims? Do you feel a woman's life should be important if a pregnancy endangers it? Some Tea Fleas are on record as being against abortion for rape victims and really not happy campers about supporting it to save a woman's life. So these questions to you do have a basis for me to be curious about your views on them.
Agreed. See #31 above.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Calvin Coolidge would sure admire the verbal sparseness of your post. ;D Yeah, saw it, answered it, thanks for sharing.
Who? Now, if you only understood it. Oh well.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
The 30th President of the United States. Once a woman told him she had bet a friend she could make him say three words, He answered, "You lose." "I have never been hurt by what I have not said." "If you don't say anything, you won't be called on to repeat it." Calvin Coolidge
Really? I had no idea. These United States?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Hey, no problem, always glad to help.
Golly. You're so wise, and know so much that us heathen bastards never considered. I mean, the rest of us are just knuckle dragging cavemen compared to you. Ya putz.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Ever hear of him, troop?
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I think so. Wasn't he a comedian?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
No doubt some think so.
Oops. My bad. That was Bobcat Goldthwait I was thinking of.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
That makes sense. I miss him too.
Still believe that?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Sure found your comments about how a wife should take a girlfriend of her husband hard to take any other way.
And therein lies your problem Mike. You are totally incapable of telling reality from fantasy.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Heh, I'm just relieved you weren't expressing true beliefs.
Well, being half Vulcan does have it's down side......
Mike, you couldn't tell that from just READING the paragraph?!?!?! You may want to consider that fact for awhile.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
I've always wanted to do that.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
You may want to consider that fact for awhile." I could of if I knew you better. This place is full of masked retreads from other forums I've been on and others are not too bright or are wound too tight. You are familiar with a range card from an indirect firing position I assume. Metaphorically, my line of final defensive fire is to err of the side of taking too much too seriously. Too many in here just want to consider anyone with views to the left of them as the evil enemy to be as casual as I prefer to be. You might want to consider that. I'm always open for humor, even at my own expense. However, when I have let my guard down and done so on some conservative forums, I was pounced on as the assumption was it was indicative of weakness on my part. So I oft time err on the side of caution. It's just how it goes.
OK. I didn't want to do this, but I'm gonna tell you the secret of life: Everyone's out to fuck you over. Now, if you go with that, and you find someone doesn't try to fuck you over, you'll be happy. If you don't go with that, and someone fucks you over, you'll be sad. It's as simple as that.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Heh, cool typo. I replaced the keyboard on my HP laptop, and it is not working consistently on some keys, and doing three round bursts on other keys. Fortunately, these keyboards are going for around 10 dollars on E bay. Usually I can trust the spell check to clean it up until I replace it yet again, or use the USB port mini keyboardI have some where in my place. This has been a fun week with this machine. It just died on me three days ago and I was afraid I would have to buy a new mother board after troubleshooting by removing various components to see if they were causing it to turn off proved fruitless. I found it was due to not cleaning the fan at the CPU and causing enough heat to build to break the connectivity of the video card on it. I was able to fix it with coins as weights to hold the video card down in the right spot and blowing enough heat on it to get the solder to soften enough to restore circuit continuity. I'm saving up to buy a newer better lappie, so I am relieved I was able to find a MacGyver for this one to keep it going with little expense.
Oh no, not that! I don't know, you just don't have any idea how hard to please I am. I don't know, you just may not have any idea about any predilections I may have for S&M games. Gee golly Mr. Paul Harvey, I always like the, "and that's the rest of the story" part of your pieces.
I don't see many things a man can do and does do a woman can't do. Women aren't just here to breed. They are human beings who should be allowed and encouraged to follow their dreams and hearts anywhere they take them.
#34. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#33)
(Edited)
#35. To: Wood_Chopper (#31)
#36. To: Ferret Mike (#35)
#37. To: Fred Mertz (#30)
...why did they kidnap her and hold her for ransom?
#38. To: Ferret Mike, *Humor* (#35)
Too bad some really qualified ones like Shirley Chisholm who ran in the primaries in 1972 never had a chance.
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
After consulting with British officials, the U.S. military ordered the rescue mission after concluding that Norgrove was in danger of being spirited into Pakistan and turned over to even more recalcitrant insurgents.
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
My Dad was her instructor, which is where I came along, sorta unplanned. My Dad also was a Naval aviator in the Pacific Theater in WW II. ;)
#41. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#40)
#42. To: Wood_Chopper (#36)
"...not get jealous when her man's girlfriend is prettier than she is..."
#43. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
All human life is precious, in fact all life is. I refuse to consider one gender as more valuable' as many times it is an excuse to justify repression as protection.
#44. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#43)
"Of course not. Why would you want to put our nation's future generation at risk?"
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#44)
Why assume it's only the woman who makes a child? Last time I looked, the blueprints used to construct a new human body for the essence of a new life to live in are provided by both man and woman.
#46. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#45)
(Edited)
#47. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
Why is the fact I know this so upsetting to you? I dearly love women. But there are two genders in the human species, and both consist of individuals that are valuable and reproduce.
#48. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#47)
(Edited)
"Son, THE "limiting" factor of population growth is the number of women, not men."
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#48)
Women are more then sperm receptacles.
#50. To: Wood_Chopper (#49)
(Edited)
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
Calvin Coolidge
Yeah, saw it, answered it, thanks for sharing.
#52. To: Wood_Chopper (#51)
(Edited)
#53. To: Ferret Mike (#52)
The 30th President of the United States.
#54. To: Wood_Chopper (#53)
#55. To: Ferret Mike (#54)
Hey, no problem, always glad to help.
#56. To: Wood_Chopper (#53)
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
#57. To: Wood_Chopper (#55)
#58. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
John Kenneth Galbraith. Ever hear of him, troop?
#59. To: Wood_Chopper (#58)
"I think so. Wasn't he a comedian?"
#60. To: Ferret Mike (#59)
No doubt some think so.
#61. To: Wood_Chopper (#60)
#62. To: Ferret Mike (#42)
Nah, you did a nice enough job showing you don't consider a wife to be a domestic partner. To you, a woman is chattel, and at best an employee.
#63. To: Wood_Chopper (#62)
"Still believe that?"
#64. To: Ferret Mike (#63)
Sure found your comments about how a wife should take a girlfriend of her husband hard to take any other way.
#65. To: Wood_Chopper (#64)
#66. To: Wood_Chopper (#64)
"You are totally incapable of telling reality from fantasy."
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
Heh, I'm just relieved you weren't expressing true beliefs.
#68. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
Took three years of Latin ass
#69. To: Wood_Chopper (#67)
(Edited)
"Mike, you couldn't tell that from just READING the paragraph?!?!?!
#70. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
#71. To: Wood_Chopper (#68)
(Edited)
"I've always wanted to do that."
#72. To: Wood_Chopper (#70)
"Everyone's out to fuck you over."
"Now, if you go with that, and you find someone doesn't try to fuck you over, you'll be happy."
"If you don't go with that, and someone fucks you over, you'll be sad."
" It's as simple as that."
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