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Title: Tea Party vs. War Party?
Source: TownHall
URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/PatB ... 0/10/01/tea_party_vs_war_party
Published: Oct 3, 2010
Author: Pat Buchanan
Post Date: 2010-10-03 18:16:36 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 38647
Comments: 59

"We're all on the same page until the polls close Nov. 2," Richard Viguerie, the longtime conservative strategist who has allied with the Tea Party, told The New York Times. After that, "a massive, almost historic battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party begins."

Indeed, such a battle seems unavoidable. Consider.

The great issue uniting and motivating the Republican Party and Tea Party is the deficit-debt crisis, a national debt nearing 100 percent of gross domestic product and a deficit of 10 percent of GDP.

As to the cause of the deficit that could precipitate a run on the dollar, double-digit inflation, even a default, the Tea Party and GOP also agree -- federal spending that consumes 25 percent of GDP.

Both are also on the same page in their opposition to closing the deficit with new or higher taxes.

This means spending must be slashed. But to cut the budget to 20 percent of GDP, where it was before George W. Bush and Barack Obama, requires spending cuts of an astronomical $700 billion a year. Even then, the 2011 deficit would be $700 billion.

As interest on the debt must be paid, or we default, there are only two places you can find that kind of money. The first is the major entitlement programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security -- and social spending for education, veterans benefits, earned income tax credits and unemployment compensation.

But a Democratic Party, brutalized and bled on Nov. 2, returning to Capitol Hill with its moderate wing annihilated, is unlikely to collude with a resurgent Republican right and Tea Party caucus in hacking away at social programs that are the Democratic Party's pride and joy, and the reason that party exists.

Which leaves one place where a bipartisan majority may be found for major spending cuts: defense and the empire, the warfare state.

The "agonizing reappraisal" of commitments abroad that John Foster Dulles predicted half a century ago may be at hand.

And here is where the Tea Party and War Party split the blanket.

If Obama makes good on his pledge of full withdrawal of the 50,000 U.S. troops in Iraq by the end of 2011, will the Tea Party and Republican right oppose that withdrawal and join the War Party in demanding that we retain an army in Iraq indefinitely?

If Obama refuses to go to war against Iran, a war that would send oil prices soaring, close the Persian Gulf and be a disaster for the global economy, will the Tea Party join the War Party in denouncing Obama for not launching a third war in the Near East?

If Obama begins his promised withdrawal from Afghanistan next July, will Tea Party Republicans join the War Party and the generals in accusing Obama of inviting an American defeat? Subscribe to *Tea Party On Parade*

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#20. To: Badeye (#19)

And you wonder why I refer to you as 'goofy' huh?

It took you long enough to figure out, and with guidance to boot, that referring to me as "goofy'smom" was insulting my daughter, not me. (How goofy is that?)

No, I don't wonder - its just you being snotty, and you couldn't even get that right without help.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-04   13:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#20)

Wrong, goofy. You just want to hide behind your daughter. It was laughable you pretended otherwise.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   13:47:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Badeye (#16)

Its his insane policies, GO65, that have the nation voting against one party rule, and his administration.

His approval rating is up in Rasmussen, it even hit 50% a few days ago.

You need to keep ranting harder, it isn't working.


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-10-04   13:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Badeye (#16)

Tripling the deficit for no gain being one of the biggest.

No matter how many times you tell that lie, it still isn't true.


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-10-04   13:48:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: go65 (#22)

Its his insane policies, GO65, that have the nation voting against one party rule, and his administration. His approval rating is up in Rasmussen, it even hit 50% a few days ago.

Personal or job performance, GO65?

Thats my point, its not that anyone gives a rats ass what his ethnic background is - beyond the odd kook.

His personal approval - likeability - remains pretty good.

But his job performance polling data is well below 50%. And thats what matters the most.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   13:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: go65 (#23)

Tripling the deficit for no gain being one of the biggest. No matter how many times you tell that lie, it still isn't true.

Majority of American voters agree with me. Thats good enough.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   13:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Badeye (#25)

Majority of American voters agree with me. Thats good enough.

I guess that makes you common.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-04   14:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Badeye (#21)

It was laughable you pretended otherwise.

You laugh at anything.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-04   14:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: lucysmom (#26)

guess that makes you common.

History sez the party out of presidential power will gain seats in the midterms. It's a given.

mininggold  posted on  2010-10-04   14:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Badeye (#19)

And you wonder why I refer to you as 'goofy' huh?

(laughing)

Owe-bama has spent more money than almost all the other Presidents COMBINED, goofy.

Where were you when Bush signed the largest socialized health bill of the century Medicare Part D?

If you take away the deficit Bush left (including TARP which was a Bush program that caused a massive increase in the deficit), the effects of the economy crashing (which obviously decreases revenue), the middle class Obama tax cut, the only real sizable Obama increase in spending was the stimulus bill?

And of course in 2008 did a smaller stimulus package.

So in Bush's first term he started two full scale wars*, Increased socialized medicine more than any president since LBJ (and more than Obama) without funding it, doubled the Department of Education spending on shitty No Child Left Behind, and send Billions to Africa.

Now why did Bush earn you all's vote, and Obama is communist?

*(fucking both up strategically for the better part of a decade, though at least Iraq was salvaged 5 years later)

Rhino  posted on  2010-10-04   14:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Rhino (#15)

"They weren't pissed under Bush."

A lot of us have been pissed since we realized a Republican majority did not mean a conservative majority, and many of us abandoned the GOP to become Indies united in our belief that the Federal Leviathan has grown far too Powerful far too expensive, and simply unsustainable.

"What happened between then and when the Tea Parties started?"

The RAT-Messiah happened, my Rhino friend...instead of slowly turning up the heat to cook the frog, the Obamaation's unapologetically Marxist agenda shocked a lotta folks out of their bipartisan-caused lethargy. We cannot afford to keep wasting so much money at the Federal level, especially as we reward failure while punishing the Successful. If it'd been President Hillary, a similar backlash wouldda erupted, imho, and if McCain wouldda kept throwing borrowed money at present day problems, I think he wouldda got a taste of this, too. However, it's Obama who ignited the firestorm, and the RATS/RINOS who will continue to fear its bite...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-10-04   14:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Mudboy Slim (#30)

A lot of us have been pissed since we realized a Republican majority did not mean a conservative majority, and many of us abandoned the GOP to become Indies united in our belief that the Federal Leviathan has grown far too Powerful far too expensive, and simply unsustainable.

On Nov 7 2008 and you'll be back Nov 5 2010. You aren't fooling anyone.

>The RAT-Messiah happened, my Rhino friend...instead of slowly turning up the heat to cook the frog, the Obamaation's unapologetically Marxist agenda shocked a lotta folks out of their bipartisan-caused lethargy.

What? Bush passed a larger socialize medicine bill than Obama did. Explain it.

>We cannot afford to keep wasting so much money at the Federal level, especially as we reward failure while punishing the Successful.

The largest discretionary program is the defense department. How about gutting it?

>If it'd been President Hillary, a similar backlash wouldda erupted, imho, and if McCain wouldda kept throwing borrowed money at present day problems, I think he wouldda got a taste of this, too.

Hillary to a somewhat lesser extend but mostly the same. McCain? Would have been welcomed as a Savior.

>However, it's Obama who ignited the firestorm, and the RATS/RINOS who will continue to fear its bite..

He only ignited a shit storm because of his party. If he was a republican you guys would be claiming he single handedly won the Iraq war, and his stimulus plan saved the country.

It's all partisan theatre. There is very little real difference between the Bush and Obama administrations.

Rhino  posted on  2010-10-04   14:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Rhino (#15) (Edited)

They weren't pissed under Bush.

Many of us were extremely pissed at Bush. Here's a sample blog I wrote in Oct 2008. I have many more like it going back a couple of years:

George Bush: Socialist Nincompoop

This morning as I was getting ready for work, I watched in horror as George Bush explained how the government “investing” in banks is somehow not socialism.

There are three important points to make here:

First Bush claimed that this was only temporary and that at some point the future, government would sell their “investments” and all would be back to normal . Sorry Georgie but to paraphrase Ronald Reagan: the closest thing we’ll ever see to eternal life on earth is a government program. These “investments” will only grow in time to the point where the government will eventually have nationalized the entire financial system.

Second, Bush claimed that these “investments” are part of a well thought out plan. What a joke. A few weeks ago, the Bush administration was arguing against a similar British plan. Here’s the problem: the stock market had its worst week ever after Bush signed the $700 billion bailout bill that the administration claimed would calm people’s fears. Now they are just twisting in the wind. There isn't any plan. They are making things up as they go along, and spending your money in the process.

Third, by definition government ownership is socialism.

I’ll say it again, the Bush family has ruined the Republican Party that Reagan built. Now they are ruining the country. Enough is enough. I’m not the only one who understands this. Christopher Buckley, who is the son of the late William F. Buckley, the founder of the modern conservative movement, has now also abandoned the GOP, resigned from the magazine his father founded, and endorsed Obama. This is what he said:

While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of “conservative” government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case.

So, to paraphrase a real conservative, Ronald Reagan: I haven’t left the Republican Party. It left me.

I couldn’t have said it better myself.


democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-04   14:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: jwpegler (#32)

"I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of “conservative” government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance."

Dubyuh was NO CONSERVATIVE and we learned that having a GOP Majority in Congress ain't anything like having a "conservative majority"..."Conservative Government" respects and defends the supremacy of the U.S. Constitution and the limits imposed upon the Federal Leviathan therein...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-10-04   15:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: lucysmom (#27)

I'm generally a very happy person, goofy. That stated, I find you hilariously funny most of the time.

The problem is you aren't trying to be funny.....

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   15:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#28)

History sez the party out of presidential power will gain seats in the midterms. It's a given.

Not in this century, ming.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   15:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mudboy Slim (#33)

Dubyuh was NO CONSERVATIVE

No shit. I knew it 2000 and I didn't vote for him.

Go back to 2000 and look at how many HAILED Bush as a conservative who would be more like Reagan than pappy Bush.

After Bush got into office, he proceeding to spend money like president since LBJ. His Republican majorities in the House and Senate went along with him.

This is why we have Obama today -- because the GOP blew it.


democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-04   15:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rhino (#29)

Where were you when Bush signed the largest socialized health bill of the century Medicare Part D?

If you take away the deficit Bush left (including TARP which was a Bush program that caused a massive increase in the deficit), the effects of the economy crashing (which obviously decreases revenue), the middle class Obama tax cut, the only real sizable Obama increase in spending was the stimulus bill?

And of course in 2008 did a smaller stimulus package.

I was screaming my head off he was not just wrong, he was betraying the country, and selling its future.

Its these spending habits that led me to vote AGAINST the GOP in 2006, rhino. And my posts from the summer of that year at LP document it.

As for the two wars, I supported them both. Iraq's done. We need to get the hell out of Afghanistan, we've done what we needed to. Time to go.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   15:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Badeye (#19)

And you wonder why I refer to you as 'goofy' huh?

She is one STUPID broad... I bozoed her, because I couldn't tolerate her idiocy any longer.

I feel sorry for her daughter... to be raised by a complete sheep.

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-10-04   15:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Capitalist Eric (#38)

She's just your average liberal hypocrite. Anyone that bitches about Bush's deficits, but is okay with Owe-bama tripling it, is flat out 'goofy'...and hypocritical.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   15:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Badeye (#37)

I was screaming my head off he was not just wrong, he was betraying the country, and selling its future.

I think the point is that Hanity, Limbaugh and the rest didn't utter a peep about it until the very end of the Bush administration.

The one nationally known Republican that did speak out (Ron Paul) was at first marginalized and then demonized by the GOP establishment.


democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-04   15:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lucysmom (#18)

His deficit is less than Bush's last deficit

Untrue. The budget deficit this fiscal year will be about $1.47 TRILLION -- by far the largest ever.


democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-04   15:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: jwpegler (#40)

I think the point is that Hanity, Limbaugh and the rest didn't utter a peep about it until the very end of the Bush administration.

Thats simply not true, jwpegler. Hannity and Limbaugh BOTH noted repeatedly the deficit spending would get the GOP fired in the 2006 mid terms, beginning in early 2007 after Bush's 2nd Inauguration. Both of them were on record early and often against the Medicaid Part D program, for just one example out of many.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   16:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: jwpegler (#41)

His deficit is less than Bush's last deficit Untrue. The budget deficit this fiscal year will be about $1.47 TRILLION -- by far the largest ever.

Goofy doesn't acknowledge reality she doesn't like....

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   16:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Badeye (#43)

Goofy doesn't acknowledge reality she doesn't like....

It's worse than that.

She actually tried to justify oBUMa's higher taxes, by saying that our civilization was specifically caused by the government taxing us...

Can you BELIEVE that shit?

Sam Adams talked about people like her....

"If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Her kind is weak, stupid and shallow. And even worse, she'll turn you or I in to the JBTs in a heartbeat, and say something like... "it for your own good."

In the vein of American heritage, she's a clot on an ass-pimple.

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-10-04   20:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Rhino (#10)

Muslims are not by definition insane.

Ok. By the way I usually don't note when I'm being sarcastic.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-04   21:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: hondo68 (#11)

The world would be a safer place if you and I had nukes. Amanutjob would be cowering in his, cave instead of threatening us.

I wish more Americans exercised their 2nd amendment right to keep and bear nukes (arms). Even the folks on this forum would be more polite, and respectful of other peoples opinions.

Gotta admit that made me laugh.

Only problem is that all it would take is for 1 insane or evil person to get a hole of them to destroy us all.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-04   21:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Brian S (#0)

Rand Paul is not in the Tea Party?

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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-10-04   22:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lucysmom, badeye (#26)

I guess that makes you common.

Obama's approval rating has trended upward in both Gallup and Rasmussen as of late. I guess this means Badeye is slowly becoming an Obama fan?


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-10-05   9:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Badeye, jwpegler (#42)

Thats simply not true, jwpegler. Hannity and Limbaugh BOTH noted repeatedly the deficit spending would get the GOP fired in the 2006 mid terms, beginning in early 2007 after Bush's 2nd Inauguration. Both of them were on record early and often against the Medicaid Part D program, for just one example out of many.

Is this the same Rush Limbaugh that endorsed Mitt Romney?


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-10-05   9:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Capitalist Eric (#44)

She actually tried to justify oBUMa's higher taxes, by saying that our civilization was specifically caused by the government taxing us...

Can you BELIEVE that shit?

Actually I can. There is a hardcore cadre of Owe-bama supporters that will stick with him no matter what he does.

To them its a religion.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-05   9:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: go65 (#48)

Obama's approval rating has trended upward in both Gallup and Rasmussen as of late.

Nice try, but we all know the difference between 'personal' and 'job' approval in these polls, GO65.

You need to stop the Alan Grayson misrepresentations of my opinion. Right now, I don't have anyone on filter. I'll just block you if you keep that juvenile bullshit up.

Its beneath you, normally. I guess things are looking so bad for your side of the political world you feel its the only viable option. Pity.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-05   9:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Capitalist Eric, Badeye, AKA Stone (#44)

She actually tried to justify oBUMa's higher taxes, by saying that our civilization was specifically caused by the government taxing us...

Can you BELIEVE that shit?

If you want to bozo me, that's cool. What isn't cool is misrepresenting (lying) my statements, and not observing internet courtesy and pinging me when you post about me. Of course then you'd have to admit that I do exist for you after going to the trouble to let me know that you bozoed me.

Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.

Capitalist Eric seems to be obsessed with people he's bozoed.

If I were Stone, I'd delete your tagline. Its more appropriate to a junior-high boy's locker room than a site for adults.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-05   10:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lucysmom (#52)

Capitalist Eric seems to be obsessed with people he's bozoed.

FWIW, he claimed to have bozo'd me but my number never changed and he's responded to me several times...

It's a moot point anyway...I won't be here much longer...

war  posted on  2010-10-05   10:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: lucysmom (#52)

Why bozo you, when you make me laugh daily?

Hypocrisy is always amusing, goofy. And you provide it by the truckload.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-05   11:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Badeye (#54)

Why bozo you, when you make me laugh daily?

I'd be flattered if, but everything seems to make you laugh. Doesn't make me feel special at all.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-05   11:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: war, Capitalist Eric (#53)

FWIW, he claimed to have bozo'd me but my number never changed and he's responded to me several times...

Think of a toddler with his fingers in his ears.

What do you mean you won't be here much longer?

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-05   11:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: lucysmom (#55)

Revealing you look to the internet for self gratification.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-05   11:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: lucysmom (#56)

dwarf lives in a world of delusion, as that post shows.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-05   11:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: lucysmom (#56) (Edited)

Stone doesn't like the way I post and I'm not going to change the way I post.

I'm guaranteed to lose that battle.

So It Goes...

war  posted on  2010-10-05   11:27:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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