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Title: Tea Party vs. War Party?
Source: TownHall
URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/PatB ... 0/10/01/tea_party_vs_war_party
Published: Oct 3, 2010
Author: Pat Buchanan
Post Date: 2010-10-03 18:16:36 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 40070
Comments: 59

"We're all on the same page until the polls close Nov. 2," Richard Viguerie, the longtime conservative strategist who has allied with the Tea Party, told The New York Times. After that, "a massive, almost historic battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party begins."

Indeed, such a battle seems unavoidable. Consider.

The great issue uniting and motivating the Republican Party and Tea Party is the deficit-debt crisis, a national debt nearing 100 percent of gross domestic product and a deficit of 10 percent of GDP.

As to the cause of the deficit that could precipitate a run on the dollar, double-digit inflation, even a default, the Tea Party and GOP also agree -- federal spending that consumes 25 percent of GDP.

Both are also on the same page in their opposition to closing the deficit with new or higher taxes.

This means spending must be slashed. But to cut the budget to 20 percent of GDP, where it was before George W. Bush and Barack Obama, requires spending cuts of an astronomical $700 billion a year. Even then, the 2011 deficit would be $700 billion.

As interest on the debt must be paid, or we default, there are only two places you can find that kind of money. The first is the major entitlement programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security -- and social spending for education, veterans benefits, earned income tax credits and unemployment compensation.

But a Democratic Party, brutalized and bled on Nov. 2, returning to Capitol Hill with its moderate wing annihilated, is unlikely to collude with a resurgent Republican right and Tea Party caucus in hacking away at social programs that are the Democratic Party's pride and joy, and the reason that party exists.

Which leaves one place where a bipartisan majority may be found for major spending cuts: defense and the empire, the warfare state.

The "agonizing reappraisal" of commitments abroad that John Foster Dulles predicted half a century ago may be at hand.

And here is where the Tea Party and War Party split the blanket.

If Obama makes good on his pledge of full withdrawal of the 50,000 U.S. troops in Iraq by the end of 2011, will the Tea Party and Republican right oppose that withdrawal and join the War Party in demanding that we retain an army in Iraq indefinitely?

If Obama refuses to go to war against Iran, a war that would send oil prices soaring, close the Persian Gulf and be a disaster for the global economy, will the Tea Party join the War Party in denouncing Obama for not launching a third war in the Near East?

If Obama begins his promised withdrawal from Afghanistan next July, will Tea Party Republicans join the War Party and the generals in accusing Obama of inviting an American defeat? Subscribe to *Tea Party On Parade*

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#12. To: Brian S (#0)

The great issue uniting and motivating the Republican Party and Tea Party is the deficit-debt crisis, a national debt nearing 100 percent of gross domestic product and a deficit of 10 percent of GDP.

No, it's hatred for Obama, that's it.

go65  posted on  2010-10-03   22:11:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: go65 (#12)

No, it's hatred for Obama, that's it.

Problem with this statement is polling data shows its laughably wrong. He personal approval rating is pretty good given the circumstances.

Its his insane policies, GO65, that have the nation voting against one party rule, and his administration.

Tripling the deficit for no gain being one of the biggest.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   10:24:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Badeye (#16)

Tripling the deficit for no gain being one of the biggest.

His deficit is less than Bush's last deficit - but never mind.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-10-04   10:52:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#18)

His deficit is less than Bush's last deficit - but never mind.

And you wonder why I refer to you as 'goofy' huh?

(laughing)

Owe-bama has spent more money than almost all the other Presidents COMBINED, goofy.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   11:09:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Badeye (#19)

And you wonder why I refer to you as 'goofy' huh?

(laughing)

Owe-bama has spent more money than almost all the other Presidents COMBINED, goofy.

Where were you when Bush signed the largest socialized health bill of the century Medicare Part D?

If you take away the deficit Bush left (including TARP which was a Bush program that caused a massive increase in the deficit), the effects of the economy crashing (which obviously decreases revenue), the middle class Obama tax cut, the only real sizable Obama increase in spending was the stimulus bill?

And of course in 2008 did a smaller stimulus package.

So in Bush's first term he started two full scale wars*, Increased socialized medicine more than any president since LBJ (and more than Obama) without funding it, doubled the Department of Education spending on shitty No Child Left Behind, and send Billions to Africa.

Now why did Bush earn you all's vote, and Obama is communist?

*(fucking both up strategically for the better part of a decade, though at least Iraq was salvaged 5 years later)

Rhino  posted on  2010-10-04   14:11:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rhino (#29)

Where were you when Bush signed the largest socialized health bill of the century Medicare Part D?

If you take away the deficit Bush left (including TARP which was a Bush program that caused a massive increase in the deficit), the effects of the economy crashing (which obviously decreases revenue), the middle class Obama tax cut, the only real sizable Obama increase in spending was the stimulus bill?

And of course in 2008 did a smaller stimulus package.

I was screaming my head off he was not just wrong, he was betraying the country, and selling its future.

Its these spending habits that led me to vote AGAINST the GOP in 2006, rhino. And my posts from the summer of that year at LP document it.

As for the two wars, I supported them both. Iraq's done. We need to get the hell out of Afghanistan, we've done what we needed to. Time to go.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   15:20:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Badeye (#37)

I was screaming my head off he was not just wrong, he was betraying the country, and selling its future.

I think the point is that Hanity, Limbaugh and the rest didn't utter a peep about it until the very end of the Bush administration.

The one nationally known Republican that did speak out (Ron Paul) was at first marginalized and then demonized by the GOP establishment.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-10-04   15:32:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: jwpegler (#40)

I think the point is that Hanity, Limbaugh and the rest didn't utter a peep about it until the very end of the Bush administration.

Thats simply not true, jwpegler. Hannity and Limbaugh BOTH noted repeatedly the deficit spending would get the GOP fired in the 2006 mid terms, beginning in early 2007 after Bush's 2nd Inauguration. Both of them were on record early and often against the Medicaid Part D program, for just one example out of many.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-04   16:07:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Badeye, jwpegler (#42)

Thats simply not true, jwpegler. Hannity and Limbaugh BOTH noted repeatedly the deficit spending would get the GOP fired in the 2006 mid terms, beginning in early 2007 after Bush's 2nd Inauguration. Both of them were on record early and often against the Medicaid Part D program, for just one example out of many.

Is this the same Rush Limbaugh that endorsed Mitt Romney?

go65  posted on  2010-10-05   9:32:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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