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Title: A Conservative Plan to Fix the Economy (Exposing GO65's Big Lie)
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Published: Sep 30, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-09-30 17:56:13 by Nebuchadnezzar
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GO65, as you all know, is a liar. His tag-line is "Where is the conservative plan for growth (or the economy)?" I've posted this before and he ignores it. So I decided to post it for all to see that GO65 is, like all Liberals, a liar. This agenda is from Karl Mellinger. It's conservative to the core and unlike the "Spend, spend, spend" morons who infect DC, it would fix most of our economic problems. Here is THE CONSERVATIVE AGENDA: Ok, let's look at an actual path forward. Do this, we win. Don't do this, you need to come up with a path that does as much as this one will. Shut down the Chinese abuse engine. Right now. Either they revalue up 20% today, and to 40% within two years, or we hit them with tariffs representing the full wage and environmental differential in their products. I know they say they can't, and that it will cause "problems." But the problems are of their own making - slave labor wasn't our policy, it was theirs. They could have enacted labor and environmental reforms over the last 10 years, and kept making promises they broke. We, for our part, didn't enforce the mandates. Ok, we start. Right now. Oh, and incidentally, this is not just China. The same thing applies to Mexico, Vietnam, India and everywhere else. This will get rid of the $3 T-shirt and $30 DVD player. I recognize this. That's ok, because..... We're going to build nuclear power plants. On each and every military facility. We will pre-empt state and local challenges and lawsuits, and just do it. Those who don't like it, too damn bad. The Navy will run them at a supervisory level and civilians will build them. We will build a mix of Pebble Bed, Fast Breeder and Thorium Salt reactors. The first two will be built in a fuel-cycle neutral mix. The latter will get its fuel from coal ash. This is a sustainable, green, and permanent energy solution. If the Government is going to spend money, this is what we will spend it on. Those who are on welfare may either take one of the jobs at the above plants or lose their benefits. Exceptions are available only for documented full disability. Fraud in that claim will lead to 20 years in the slammer. No exceptions. If you're able, you work or you starve. End of discussion; no more freeloading. We repeal the 16h Amendment and all other income and payroll taxes. The Fair Tax is implemented immediately. January 1st 2011 - cold start. This will result in an instantaneous flood of capital and businesses coming to the US. The electrical plants above will produce the power they will need. It will also instantaneously restart Capital Formation which is NECESSARY for us to get entrepreneurship and innovation going again - right here, in this country. We either repeal Obama's Health Law and implement my plan OR we set a percentage of GDP we will spend on health care at the Federal Level and implement the Canadian system. Choose one. Have the debate in public, pick one, make it happen by 12/31/2011. The ability of companies to bill out $5,000 for an MRI to "uninsured" people while the insurance company pays $150 is an obscene rip-off and must end. Further, the idea that you can show up with no money and no insurance and force someone else to pay, instead of having that responsibility attach to you as a valid debt to the government is also obscene. This is rank profiteering on people's DEATH and must end - right now. No more illegal immigrants. Period. This is non-negotiable. Come here legally or you will be held to account for a criminal offense, serve your time, and then be deported. End birthright citizenship when your mother comes here unlawfully. For those who are here now, they can stay - as adopted kids. If that's unacceptable they can leave with their parents. We have too many people for the number of jobs at present, and those who are not here legally must lose first. I am all for LEGAL immigration - and once we settle out our growth plans, if we need more workers then let's start letting people in, starting with those who lawfully stood in line. ALL of the frauds in the financial system are prosecuted. Every one. We will make space for these crooks in the prisons by legalizing marijuana and treating it like alcohol, except that we will sell it at Pharmacies where the people doing the vending have a lot to lose (their six-figure annual income!) if they sell to minors. It is time to end our failed prohibition experiment and besides, we need the prison space for all the banksters. They're a HELL of a lot more dangerous to our society than some dude smoking a joint. Clarify and extend The Federal Reserve Act to require that actual price inflation, measured by a basket of items representative to the spending in the actual economy (goods and services) deflates at 1/2% per year. Yes, deflates. Technology improves. The natural progress of a society is toward better efficiency and lower costs. Therefore, this should result in small deflation over time. I recognize that this will make lending for speculation or consumption inherently dangerous as in such a regime recessions are necessary to contain balance in the currency and banking system. This is how it should be! This also means that you can save your retirement over your working life without engaging in ridiculous and dangerous speculation in which virtually EVERY person ultimately loses. Recognize that this growth will be a one-time deal. We'll get something approaching 10% GDP growth for 3-5 years. But then it will be over. Government spending must decrease as entitlements are removed and debt must be paid off - no more games. We cannot build or guarantee indefinite compound forward returns - that's mathematically impossible. This rock is vast but it is finite. We use the above plan to stabilize and grow our economy, restoring what we had in the 1950s and 60s - and to prepare for a more-or-less steady-state future where the gains of the future come from technological advance, not leverage and financial fraud. You want a growth plan? There it is. Now GO65, you can and must change your tag-line.
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#1. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
Can't you even read, Nebby? His tag line is "And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......????? " BTW, who is Karl Mellinger and what position does he hold in the Conservative Movement?
I tend to ignore any post that starts with a childish insults. Sorry.
--- We either repeal Obama's Health Law and implement my plan OR we set a percentage of GDP we will spend on health care at the Federal Level and implement the Canadian system Nebu seems to have confused "Conservative" with "socialist"
The nuclear option sounds like a Five Year Plan from the old USSR.
I googled Karl Mellinger and got nothing, "Carl Mellinger" though is an aborist.
Actually he's an arborist.
I did a little better than you. I came up with this. Results for 'Karl Mellinger' Top 5 Facts for this Name: 1. How well envoweled is Karl Mellinger? 31% of the letters are vowels. Of one million first and last names we looked at, 74.0% have a higher vowel make-up. This means it is modestly envoweled. 2. In ASCII binary it is... 01001011 01100001 01110010 01101100 00100000 01001101 01100101 01101100 01101100 01101001 01101110 01100111 01100101 01110010 3. Backwards, it is Lrak Regnillem... nice ring to it, huh? 4. In Pig Latin, it is Arlkay Ellingermay. 5. People with this first name are probably: Male. So, there's a 98% likelihood they sweat just thinking of the price of shaver blades.
He's wishing and hoping for a military coup.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
And the Pubbies tendered the flame and added the needed fuel to the fire. Fool
i translated Karl Mellinger into Swahilli, it comes back as "Karl Mellinger" I'm sending a letter to Orley Taitz in the morning, she'll want to know about this.
Which means the entire program's a non starter. $1.5 Quadrillion in debt/Derivatives. Someone's got to make good. And ZERO growth means ZERO debt payments. That's what Peak Oil means.
No, we should implement something like they have in Singapore. For example: A.) Everyone has to save 8% of their paycheck in Medical Savings Account. You can use the money to buy catastrophic health insurance and pay for incidental medical expenses. B.) Low income earners would have their medical savings subsidized by the government. This subsidy replaces Medicaid and CHIP. C.) People can refuse to buy insurance if they wish and let the money accumulate in the account. However, if an uninsured person receives treatment that he/she can't pay for, the provider can go after their medical savings account and also garnish their wages until the fees (with interest) are paid. D.) All medical providers would be required to publish prices and outcomes for the services they provide. E.) State and local governments would be prohibited from restricting competition in the insurance in industry. They would also be prohibited from mandating minimum coverages (usually done at the behest of special interests), which drives up insurance costs.
This would also break the backs of the Mexican drug cartels, and end the violence on our border. Californa marijuana debate resonates in Mexico A debate about legalizing marijuana and possibly other drugs – once a taboo suggestion – is percolating in Mexico, a nation exhausted by runaway violence and a deadly drug war. The debate is only likely to grow more animated if Californians approve a ballot initiative on Nov. 2 to legalize marijuana for recreational use in the state. Mexicans are keeping a close eye on the Proposition 19 vote, seeing it as a bellwether. "If they vote 'yes' to approve the full legalization of marijuana, I think it will have a radical impact in Mexico," said Jorge Hernández Tinajero, a political scientist at the National Autonomous University. Discussion about legalization flew onto the agenda last month, the result of President Felipe Calderón's pressing need to win more support for waging war against criminal organizations profiting hugely from drug trafficking. As he held a series of forums with politicians and civic leaders about faltering security, Calderón suddenly found himself amid a groundswell of suggestions that legalization – which he described as "absurd" – should be considered. Among those throwing their weight behind legalization was former President Vicente Fox, a member of Calderón's own conservative National Action Party. "We should consider legalizing the production, distribution and sale of drugs," Fox wrote on his blog during the forums. "Legalizing in this sense does not mean that drugs are good or don't hurt those who consume. Rather, we have to see it as a strategy to strike and break the economic structure that allows the mafias to generate huge profits in their business." Calderón immediately said Mexico couldn't act on its own to legalize. "If drugs are not legalized in the world, or if drugs are not legalized at least in the United States, this is simply absurd, because the price of drugs is not determined in Mexico. The price of drugs is determined by consumers in Los Angeles, or in New York, or in Chicago or Texas," he said. Such public debate would have been largely unthinkable a few years ago. Since Calderón came to office in late 2006, however, a national gloom has descended on Mexico from relentless cartel violence and a death toll topping 28,000. The grim mood has provided fertile ground for public figures who think legalization would undercut the power of the drug cartels. Among them are business tycoons such as billionaire Ricardo Salinas Pliego, who controls broadcaster TV Azteca, and retailer Grupo Elektra. With his own pro-legalization statement, Fox aligned with another former president, Ernesto Zedillo, who suggested last year that prohibition isn't working. Still, some analysts say debate about legalization – coming most strongly from the political left – was an effort to needle Calderón as much as an exploration of whether legalization is feasible. Edgardo Buscaglia, an expert on Mexico's criminal syndicates, said Mexico's government is too weak to legalize and regulate narcotics and marijuana. "You need to have regulatory capacity in place," he said. "Mexico does not even have the capacity to regulate its pharmaceutical products." Without a better framework, any move to take away penalties for narcotics would "amount to a subsidy to drug organizations," he said, as prices and demand remain buoyant for illegal narcotics in the United States and other countries. Legislators in August 2009 quietly decriminalized the possession of less than 5 grams of marijuana, the equivalent of about four joints. Tiny amounts of cocaine, heroin, Ecstasy, LSD and methamphetamine also are no longer subject to criminal penalties. Further measures have been blocked, however, such as one before two committees of the Chamber of Deputies to permit the use of marijuana for medical purposes, as 14 U.S. states allow, including California. Others have been put before the Senate, the legislative assembly of Mexico City and a local congress in the state of Mexico. Hernández Tinajero, the political scientist, said Mexican society may not be ready for such moves, but that the California ballot measure would energize the debate. "Whatever the result may be, it will have a positive impact on Mexico," he said, and give way to "a far more serious discussion." Experts said they can't fully weigh arguments about the impact that legalization of marijuana in California might have on this country of 111 million or whether steps toward legalization here would weaken drug syndicates. That's because so little is known publicly about the revenue streams of cartels, the extent of production of marijuana, crystal meth and heroin, and the range of revenue from other criminal enterprises. Counternarcotics officials say several Mexican cartels, particularly La Familia Michoacana, are deeply involved in marijuana production and sales in California.
Waste of time, he'll be in 'Alan Grayson mode' til after the election cycle.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Sorry. Oh, the fuckin irony....(laughing)
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Fortunately that ill-tempered a-hole is going to get booted from office. He's currently behind his opponent by 7 points.
Singapore's system is too socialist for US Conservitives - it would never fly here. * "The private healthcare system competes with the public healthcare, which helps contain prices in both directions. Private medical insurance is also available." * Private healthcare providers are required to publish price lists to encourage comparison shopping. * The government pays for "basic healthcare services... subject to tight expenditure control." Bottom line: The government pays 80% of "basic public healthcare services. " * Government plays a big role with contagious disease, and adds some paternalism on top: "Preventing diseases such as HIV/AIDS, malaria, and tobacco-related illnesses by ensuring good health conditions takes a high priority." * The government provides optional low-cost catatrophic health insurance, plus a safety net "subject to stringent means-testing."
Exactly right. He love's nuclear power. Nuclear power is not a free market energy solution. As I've pointed out to him many times in the past, American business won't build nuclear power plants without government subsidies and loan guarantees. The nuclear industry was created by the government, subsidized by the government, and regulated by the government. It's nothing more than another failed government "solution".
Not true. Singapore's system of medical savings accounts was invented by an economist at Texas A & M university in the 1970s. Most people int the GOP has been huge supporters of medical savings accounts since. I've been to Singapore many times. Your characterization of their system is a HUGE distortion of reality.
That's exactly right, but it will never happen as long as government has monopoly control over the money supply. Hayek wrote a book 40 years ago (Denationalize of Money) which argued for a system of competing currencies. Modern technology could make this very practical. If the dollar winds up collapsing, my guess is that we'll see some kind of electronic money (perhaps tied to your cell phone) that is backed by gold. There is no reason for the government to issue Federal Reserve Notes and coins any longer. The only role the government needs to play in the monetary system is prosecuting fraud.
Yep. The only real question is will he go on a shooting rampage after being fired by the voters. And yes, I'm serious. This guy is absolutely insane.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Yeah, I definitely can imagine him going postal.
How is this constitutional?
I've had a high-deductable/MSA account for several years, I have no complaints.
The same way that "saving" 12.5% of your paycheck in a Social Security retirement "account" is constitutional This is just a tax, but it's a tax that goes to your savings account, rather than a government "account".
I have one right now. I like it.
Medical savings accounts is just one piece of Singapore's system. Sing the praises of medical savings accounts all you want, but medical savings accounts alone is not Singapore's system.
Ithaca, New York has had its own money since 1991, Ithaca Hours. The city of Oakland is considering the "Acorn" as a local currency.
No, but they are the primary reason why Singapore's healthcare costs went from 6% of GDP to 3.7% of GDP while ours went from 6% of GDP to almost 17% of GDP. Singapore also mandates complete transparency in prices and outcomes. This was one of the points I made. Singapore gave up on it's socialist system and turned patients into healthcare consumers who shop for healthcare the same way they shop for food, housing, clothing, transportation, and televisions. The U.S. went the socialist route with Medicare and Medicaid, where the people who get the services don't pay the bill. Before the federal government got their sticky fingers in our healthcare system, out-of-pocket expenses comprised 55% of healthcare payments. The remaining 45% was a split evenly between private insurance and state / local government (through things like County Hospitals and low income Clinics). Today, private insurance still pays about 23% of the bills, but out-of-pocket expenses and government funding have switched places. Of course healthcare costs are rising in the U.S., because few people have incentives to use the system wisely because they are not paying the bills. So they do things like show up at doctor's offices when they have a little sniffle, which drives up prices for the rest of us. The answer isn't to make people even less responsible through more socialism. The answer, as Singapore has shown is to put consumers in charge.
I've heard of the Acorn, but not Ithica Hours. It's very interesting.
From what I've read, its private sector competition with government run health care delivery that keeps costs low. For Singapore this means mandatory savings accounts and government-imposed cost controls. For Hong Kong this means a system of government-run hospitals that provide most of the health care services there. Neither health care system relies on the free market forces extolled by American conservatives, yet both countries have high levels of economic freedom. www.forbes.com/2010/03/22...ntributors-mark-rice.html My goodness, what would Sarah Palin say about that?
No, what keeps prices down is that people spend their own money on health services. 67% of healthcare spending comes from private sources. Government subsidies amount to 33% of healthcare spending (in the U.S. the government provides 50% of healthcare spending). Most care is provided by private hospitals and clinics. There are a dozen or so government hospitals, which take care of the poor (no different than County hospitals in the U.S.) Even in the government hospitals, the poor are required to pay between 20% and 60% of the bill, depending on their income. There is no free lunch there. Quite frankly, the American press misunderstands Singapore's healthcare system because they misunderstand Singapore in general. When I went to Singapore the first time, I was a little nervous because of the propaganda in the America press about chewing gum, canning, censorship, and other "authoritarian" practices. It's all a bunch of nonsense. Singapore is a really, really nice place. It's system is unique in the world and the American press and political commentators just don't understand it.
Khaw Boon Wan should know what he's talking about, he is the Minister for Health of Singapore.
How is this constitutional? Just call it a tax. 16th Amendment bitches!
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
I'm still waiting for you to explain how implementing a Canadian style system or setting a federal limit on percentage of GDP spent on health care is 'conservative' What happens when we meet that limit and people are still sick?
It's a start in the right direction. I admit that it isn't very conservative, but it gets us on the path to restoring a true free-market.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
GO65, as you all know, is a liar. His tag-line is "Where is the conservative plan for growth (or the economy)?"
#2. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
I've posted this before and he ignores it. So I decided to post it for all to see that GO65 is, like all Liberals, a liar.
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#3. To: Skip Intro, nebuchadnezzar (#1)
(Edited)
We're going to build nuclear power plants. On each and every military facility. We will pre-empt state and local challenges and lawsuits, and just do it. Those who don't like it, too damn bad. The Navy will run them at a supervisory level and civilians will build them. We will build a mix of Pebble Bed, Fast Breeder and Thorium Salt reactors. The first two will be built in a fuel-cycle neutral mix. The latter will get its fuel from coal ash. This is a sustainable, green, and permanent energy solution. If the Government is going to spend money, this is what we will spend it on.
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#4. To: go65 (#3)
Nebu seems to have confused "Conservative" with "socialist"
#5. To: Skip Intro, nebuchadnezzar (#4)
The nuclear option sounds like a Five Year Plan from the old USSR.
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#6. To: go65 (#5)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#7. To: go65 (#5)
I googled Karl Mellinger and got nothing, "Carl Mellinger" though is an aborist.
#8. To: go65 (#3)
Nebu seems to have confused "Conservative" with "socialist"
#9. To: go65 (#5)
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#10. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#9)
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses:
#11. To: Skip Intro, nebuchadnezzar (#7)
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#12. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
Government spending must decrease as entitlements are removed and debt must be paid off - no more games. We cannot build or guarantee indefinite compound forward returns - that's mathematically impossible.
#13. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
We either repeal Obama's Health Law and implement my plan OR we set a percentage of GDP we will spend on health care at the Federal Level and implement the Canadian system.
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#14. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
We will make space for these crooks in the prisons by legalizing marijuana and treating it like alcohol... It is time to end our failed prohibition
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#15. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
#16. To: go65 (#2)
I tend to ignore any post that starts with a childish insults.
#17. To: Badeye (#15)
'Alan Grayson mode'
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#18. To: jwpegler (#13)
No, we should implement something like they have in Singapore.
#19. To: Skip Intro (#4)
(Edited)
The nuclear option sounds like a Five Year Plan from the old USSR.
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#20. To: lucysmom (#18)
Singapore's system is too socialist for US Conservitives - it would never fly here.
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#21. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#0)
(Edited)
The natural progress of a society is toward better efficiency and lower costs. Therefore, this should result in small deflation over time
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#22. To: jwpegler (#17)
Fortunately that ill-tempered a-hole is going to get booted from office. He's currently behind his opponent by 7 points.
#23. To: Badeye (#22)
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#24. To: jwpegler (#13)
A.) Everyone has to save 8% of their paycheck in Medical Savings Account. You can use the money to buy catastrophic health insurance and pay for incidental medical expenses.
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#25. To: jwpegler (#20)
Not true. Singapore's system of medical savings accounts was invented by an economist at Texas A & M university in the 1970s. Most people int the GOP has been huge supporters of medical savings accounts since.
And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????
#26. To: go65 (#24)
(Edited)
How is this constitutional?
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#27. To: go65 (#25)
I've had a high-deductable/MSA account for several years, I have no complaints.
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#28. To: jwpegler (#20)
Singapore's system of medical savings accounts was invented by an economist at Texas A & M university in the 1970s.
#29. To: jwpegler (#21)
Hayek wrote a book 40 years ago (Denationalize of Money) which argued for a system of competing currencies. Modern technology could make this very practical.
#30. To: lucysmom (#28)
(Edited)
medical savings accounts alone is not Singapore's system.
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#31. To: lucysmom (#29)
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#32. To: jwpegler (#30)
No, but they are the primary reason why Singapore's healthcare costs went from 6% of GDP to 3.7% of GDP while ours went from 6% of GDP to almost 17% of GDP.
#33. To: lucysmom (#32)
(Edited)
From what I've read, its private sector competition with government run health care delivery that keeps costs low.
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#34. To: jwpegler (#33)
There are a dozen or so government hospitals, which take care of the poor (no different than County hospitals in the U.S.) Even in the government hospitals, the poor are required to pay between 20% and 60% of the bill, depending on their income.
#35. To: go65 (#24)
A.) Everyone has to save 8% of their paycheck in Medical Savings Account. You can use the money to buy catastrophic health insurance and pay for incidental medical expenses.
#36. To: Nebuchadnezzar, skip intro (#0)
We either repeal Obama's Health Law and implement my plan OR we set a percentage of GDP we will spend on health care at the Federal Level and implement the Canadian system.
Reality check - Government spending is down, the deficit is down, government employment is down, and private hiring is up.
#37. To: go65 (#36)
I'm still waiting for you to explain how implementing a Canadian style system or setting a federal limit on percentage of GDP spent on health care is 'conservative'
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