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Title: New Earth-like planet discovered; Gliese 581g in 'Goldilocks zone'
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Guardian News
URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2 ... /earth-like-planet-gliese-581g
Published: Sep 29, 2010
Author: Ian Sample
Post Date: 2010-09-29 18:30:09 by Hondo68
Keywords: Movin on up, Goldilox Zone, Lots for Sale
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Gliese 581g in 'Goldilocks zone' of space where liquid water could exist is strong contender for a habitable world Astronomers have discovered a potentially habitable planet of similar size to Earth in orbit around a nearby star. A team of planet hunters spotted the alien world circling a red dwarf star called Gliese 581, 20 light years away. The planet is in the "Goldilocks zone" of space around a star where surface temperatures are neither too hot nor too cold for liquid water to form. "Our findings offer a very compelling case for a potentially habitable planet," said Steven Vogt, an astronomer at the University of California, Santa Cruz. "The fact that we were able to detect this planet so quickly and so nearby tells us that planets like this must be really common." If confirmed, the planet would be the most Earth-like that has ever been discovered in another solar system and the first strong contender for a habitable one. More than 400 exoplanets have been discovered by astronomers, but most are gas giants, like Jupiter, that would be inhospitable to life as we know it. Astronomers used the Keck telescope in Hawaii to study the movement of Gliese 581 in exquisite detail and from their observations inferred the presence of a number of orbiting planets. The team report two new planets in the Astrophysical Journal, bringing the total number known to be circling the star to six. One of the planets, named Gliese 581g, has a mass of three to four times that of Earth and takes 37 days to orbit the star. Astronomers believe it is a rocky planet with enough gravity to retain an atmosphere. Unlike the previously discovered planets, Gliese 581g lies squarely in the region of space were life can thrive. "We had planets on both sides of the habitable zone — one too hot and one too cold — and now we have one in the middle that's just right," Vogt said. One side of the planet is always facing the star, much as one side of the moon constantly faces Earth. This means that the far side of the planet is constantly in darkness. The most habitable region of the planet would be the line between the light and dark regions. "Any emerging life forms would have a wide range of stable climates to choose from and to evolve around, depending on their longitude," Vogt said. The average temperature on the planet is estimated to be between -31 to -12C, but the ground temperature would vary from blazing hot on the bright side and freezing on the dark side. "The number of systems with potentially habitable planets is probably on the order of 10 or 20 percent, and when you multiply that by the hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way, that's a large number. There could be tens of billions of these systems in our galaxy," said Vogt.
An artist's impression of Gliese 581g, which astronomers say is near Earth - relatively speaking - at 120 trillion miles. Photograph: Zina Deretsky, National Science Foundation/AP
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You go first. Keep in touch.
Cool. Maybe we can chip in, and buy "war" a one-way ticket...?
The current members of the "You're a worthless sack of shit" list includes WAR, lucysmom (empty-headed bimbo), calcon, e_type_jack-off, mad-dog (more like rabidly stupid), ibluafartsky and the fascism-shill no gnu taxes (aka 400 bucks, happyfunball, 50yardline, etc, etc.) If you're on the list, don't bother writing, 'cause you're a waste of flesh.
Cool! I wonder how long before somebody starts selling time share condos there?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Ever since "scientists", including astronomers, told me there was man made global warming, I couldn't give a flying fuck what they say.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
I don't know Woody. I bet you would not be able to contain your excitement and revelation if they posted a proof showing there was a flat Earth, and that the Universe was Geo- centric and revolved around us. You not only likely would give a flying fuck, you would be spreading 'I told you so' far and wide over the Internet. With joy overflowing from your flinty little conservative heart.
You not only likely would give a flying fuck, you would be spreading 'I told you so' far and wide over the Internet. With joy overflowing from your flinty little conservative heart. And that, exactly, is why you're a fucking idiot Mike, who believes his life's work is to sit, like a monkey, in a tree. If they showed me "proof" that "there was a flat Earth, and that the Universe was Geo- centric and revolved around us", I call them as crazy as I call you. They'd be as stupid as you are in my book. You don't have my ability to do that Mike.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
You not only likely would give a flying fuck, you would be spreading 'I told you so' far and wide over the Internet. With joy overflowing from your flinty little conservative heart. And that, exactly, is why you're a fucking idiot Mike, who believes his life's work is to sit, like a monkey, in a tree. If "they" showed me "proof" that "there was a flat Earth, and that the Universe was Geo- centric and revolved around us", I call them as crazy as I call you. "They'd" be as stupid as you are in my book. You don't have my ability to do that Mike, which is why you accuse me of being as stooooooooopid as you are.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Heehee, thanks for sharing Woody. Always enjoy your misguided passion. As for trees, I'm more of a 'branch manager,' teaching the art of climbing to younger folks interested in continuing the struggle of forest defense then I am into doing the rank and file work myself. And Dude I would say that I am as convinces as you are not that there is indeed global warming, and that the world is overpopulated with humans, and that the natural world looks a lot more like that depicted in the movie Soylent Green then it used to actually be like when that film was made in the early 1970s. Earth First! No compromise in the defense of mother Earth Take care, and watch out for those see monsters and that grand waterfall at the edge of the world.
Cowards always have others take the arrows. Show us your convictions. Off yourself and do the world a favor. Oh, that's right. You want OTHER humans to die to fix the problem, not you. Hypocrite. You'll get no compromise from me.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Ya know Mike, if the people who believed as you do, that there are just too many humans here, would just go ahead and off themselves instead of demanding others die for their beliefs, the world would be a better place. However, you're all just a loud mouthed bunch of morons spouting shit without the moral convictions to do what they believe in. In other words, you're full of shit.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Oh, and don't call me Dude.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
With all due respect, say it nice, with the appropriate politesse, I would be most happy not to. Courtesy will rate courtesy. Ask me to please not refer to you as such, I would see no reason to turn down a fellow veteran.
Thanks for your service by the way.
Well Chop, I am against abortion and genocide toward any end; including population reduction. I do support abstinence and reasonable means to control population numbers that have man and womankind live within their means on this planet that has a finite niche for our species. A species that has an obligation to protect the sanctity of all life on this blue bubble of a planet we all on some level love so much. I have put my life in jeopardy for what I believe in, and not just in trees as I was in the U.S. Army for nine years on active duty. I do not believe in suicide. Part of the responsibility not to be selfish and off oneself is very tangible. suicide triggers others to opt to do the same. I never want to do anything that would harm someone else outside of reasonable defense of oneself or of others in unwarranted danger due to the insane and aggressive acts of another.
Define "reasonable" Mike, and tell me who gets to decide what "reasonable" is. The problem with your statement is the word "control". How will it be "controlled"? Shall the government decide who can and who cannot have children, how many they can have, and of which sex? Well, that's not you Mike. You've already explained that you believe the earth comes first, ahead of all life, even human life. Life comes in a poor second place to you. You believe, what was it you said, "EARTH FIRST". There can only be one "first" Mike. If earth is first, life is second to you, or lower. Genocide could also be not allowing people in certain areas, or people of certain ethnic make-ups, to reproduce. It just TAKES A GENERATION or two to become effective. Population "control" IS genocide. You don't want to have kids so you can "save the earth?" Great. Don't have any.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Kiss my ass.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
You also hate budgeting too do you? No brakes on growth of numbers is the ethical creed of the cancer cell. We are not here merely to breed like lemmings until all socio-political-economic structure of humanity everywhere is ripped apart and the ensuing chaos takes care of the population excess for us. Humans are one of the most intelligent species on the planet and certainly the most systematically violent, greedy and inconsiderate of everything around them. Other living things do not merely exist to be instrumentalized into capital. How we treat other life defines how we in truth feel about ourselves. My view is far more caring about human life in that we are defined not just by being, but by our actions and how we put our expressed beliefs into practice. Kennedy said in his Inaugural Address, "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." By extension, if we can't preserve and save and help the biodiversity of the web of life on this planet, we cannot save ourselves, the one species that has made it wealthy beyond all historic measure compared to other species of life. Earth First! and the philosophy of deep ecology that postulates that all life has a right to exist for the value it has unto itself is one that deeply cares about human life. By advocating our species to mature enough to recognize this undeniable truth, we advocate for our species and show a deep and abiding love and respect for it. We care enough to say to our species to wake up, grow up and be responsible. Because as in the end, on the course you like to see us on leads us all to destruction and chaos, and even possibly our own extinction.
Bare it and share it.... DUDE.
I see a lot of Utopian claptrap bullshit, but not a single answer to my questions.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Kiss my ass.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Yeah, douche nozzle, why does it take you 20 column inches to obfuscate the question? Is it because you don't know what you are talking about or being a liberal puke liar prevents you from having even a nodding acquaintance with truth? This is addressed to Ferret Mike, not directly at you, wc. Forgot to add the little worm in the address.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)
To the contrary, you are the rose colored sun-glassed dude who thinks the Earth is a Utopian oyster that will forever be a cornucopia to humans regardless how unchecked their numbers are. My answer is quite appropriate to your framework of cross examination not meant to arrive at any truth. You seek merely to put me on the defensive. And you seek to do that, because deep down inside you know I am right. This scares you subconsiously and you don't want truth; you can't handle it at all. But you like any deficit spender hopes the species never will run off the cliff into the ocean to drown. Stick to denial if you wish dude. I know what I stand for, I stand for what I stand on. And what I stand on is comprised of all living things, including our species.
No problem. I would have known even if you hadn't edited. Population "control" will start the shooting war.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
What. You're channeling Freud now? You, precisely, are why God made man mortal.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Commentary on style of posting and insults are appropriate, because you have nothing else to say. You live and die by the central notion of the Repug/Tea playbook which is if you can't deal with the message, you attack the messenger. In the end, you are the joke, the jester with no clue. Your meaningless words do not bother me. I am merely amused, and thanks for sharing.
Likewise I'm sure, dude. Though I'm sure the Goddess is too complex to have any of her motives defined with the word 'precisely' by a mortal human with a point of reference far more limited in scope then hers.
When you fell out of that tree, did you land on your head really hard? (That would explain it.)
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Gee, or maybe it was when the risers slapped my head when I didn't tuck my head enough jumping out of Phase one of the Special Forces Qualification Course giving me several stitches behind my ear. Old saw dude. Yes, I had a concussion; no the fall didn't affect who I am, what I believe, or how I think. Besides, gravity and I have patched up our minor feud, and we get along famously now. But thanks greatly for your deep and abiding Christian concern. sniff... sniff... it's so moving it is.
If you suffered brain damage from the fall, can you really be sure of this? Maybe you ought to consider the fact you've been hit in the head a lot, and it could be the reason why you're so fucked up. Oh fuck. Your religious-definer-mechanism got fucked up too?????? IS THERE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Actually I was in a coma several days. But I was of the Wicca faith long before the fall. And jokes don't bother me about it. I tell them at my expense concerning the 43 foot fall to the pavement too. One thing very true about both paratroopers and tree sitters, we are good to the last drop. I am a stoic, dude. I don't worry or fret about the shortcomings of being a corporeal, mortal life form. As Buckaroo Banzai said in his movie about his travels across the eight dimension, "wherever we are, we are there."
Maybe you just THINK you were of the wicca faith. Maybe that's where you got the idea you can divine a person's religious beliefs without knowing that person. Maybe that's why you CAN'T give a straight answer to a straight question. But ya gotta admit, my #29 post made ya laugh, didn't it. Mike, I don't really care what you believe. You're free to do so. You want to limit population by not having kids, great. You want to think one guy sticking his dick in another guy's ass is normal, great. You don't want to cut down trees, great. But don't you fucking DARE try to dictate to me I have to believe as you do, and to do what you tell me to do, or that you, or anyone else, can determine how many children I can have. I really think you ought to have a doctor look at your head for damage, but I'm not going to force you into doing it.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
A few interesting points: Gliese 581 is a red dwarf star. Red Dwarfs comprise 80% of the stars in our galaxy and they last much longer than our Yellow Sun. Because it's a Red Dwarf, any plants on Gliese 581g won't be green. They will be black! There is another planet orbiting Gliese 581 that may also contain life. It is a little to far from the habitable zone (kind of like Mars), BUT if the atmosphere contains significant "green house gases" it could be warm enough to have liquid water. This is the most interesting solar system we've seen, and there is a lot more to come in the next year as Kepler starts reporting on its initial findings.
Actually, I was in the VA facility in Vancouver, WA for some months rehabilitating from the fall. Scans showed minor impact lesions in a line from my right frontal lobe through to my left parietal lobe. The brain is colloidal, much as a hard boiled egg or jello is. Most brain damage is caused by twisting impacts. Torsional impacts rip the white and gray matter asunder. I knew this from my study of brain structure of human, whale and dolphin brains. So when I lost grip and started to pivot to the ground unable to pull my gaffs from the bark, I used a lot of discipline to make my impact a straight one. I absorbed most of the impact in my arms and hands. I needed bone from my pelvic girdle to repair all four of my lower arm bones, and have plates and screws om my wrists and arms. I have lots of scars, and my wrists do not have the range of motion they once did. I used to touch type; now I'm doing this typing at half the speed using fewer fingers. The doctors told me it was miraculous I survived a three story fall to the pavement, and all concurred I would be a vegetable or dead had I impacted my head with any twist whatsoever. Knowledge from my curiosity and education coupled with my discipline from nine years in the U.S. Army saved my bacon. I had an absolutely incredible experiance while in a coma. I felt myself pull from me from the abdomen area and floated upward. I approached a light I very much remember communicating with. I remember being directed to look down when querying what was going on and being shocked profoundly to see my body noticing how it was not a mirror reverse image, saw the tubes, black eyes, swollen nose, bandaged arms - all looking exactly like they did then as when I woke up. I remember being kept from coming too close to the light and understanding that at my level of being I would be absorbed if I did. I remember being told I could leave or stay. I don't remember my answer, but I assume my waking up meant I chose to stay. I would say this out of body experience is the one single thing that had forever changed my life. I seem to have lost much fear of death. I am certain beyond measure I will be here when my body isn't. And I don't sweat as much of the small stuff I used to. People do tell me personality-wise I am quite different. But the consensus is generally I went from being an arrogant prick in some regards to being far more patient, empathetic and easier to know. As I am not as able to judge not having anymore all of the point of reference of where I was before falling, I cannot really test this judgment. I just note that everyone who knew me before all agree on the same points of order about me. I have all the intellectual capacity I had before. As the parietal lobe affected by a lesion was the one dealing with language, have a slight stutter when tired. I had to relearn how to pronounce some words like serendipity form example. For a while I couldn't say it to save my life. My speech therapist kicked me out early might add. He in a word told me I have an incredible capacity for language, and that if I lost any, still had far more then any other patient he has dealt with. I am very grateful for still being alive. I take it extremely seriously. I stopped all cannabis smoking after the fall. I had already not drank alcohol since leaving the Army the last time in 1980, but have not touched a drop since my fall. I eat well and exercise and am fit well beyond must of my 56 year old peers. I take to heart I had an injury, and further injury is cumulative, and avoid it passionately. You seem interested, and I actually like you despite any disagreements we have politically, so I have expounded on this event in my life in a bloglike way. Apologies if it is long and detailed. But suffice it to say, I love passionately to write, and this was a very major event in my life. Since the fall I don't delve into wasted endeavors like thinking of revenge and how to get back at people. I am more generous and when - for example - I am done with a computer I built up from parts I look for a person needing one who can't afford it and give it to them. It's autumn, and I have my older neighbors I rake the leave for and I am a volunteer front desk person at White Bird Clinic. When I die, I don't want to die with lots of toys. I want the wealth far more intangible then that; I want the accumulated riches that are only garnered by helping others. I wouldn't fret; I know what happened and to what degree. And I have worked out the op order for continuing my existence on this planet reasonably well. Though some of the annexes of it could stand some polishing. I had answered the other part of your post then lost the browser session and will deal with it later as I do have thought to share on it. I'll do that on the morrow though.
So how'd the tree fare? You have placed others in second position behind "mother earth". You can bullshit yourself, but you can't bullshit me.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
You confuse the macro with the micro, I don't. I see all life as having connection and bond to it. By caring about the health of the scope and depth of life on the big picture, one does the most to enhance the protection of individuals when you zoom into the individuals that are part of the life force of this planet. It is hard to articulate in short form all of the whys and aspects of my belief system. I am a long time devotee to the teachings of Dr. John C. Lilly and have always had a passion for not only his work, but that of Audoux Huxley, Timothy Leary, and other people dealing with consciousness and concepts of the organization of reality on our plane of existence and beyond it. From my perspective I see everyone as part of the planet and part of all life. I am not at all Christian and never have been a believer in that faith, and do not consider humans as the highest life form created concisely in the image of a creator. I see most organized religion as being primarily involved with social control, and as having a poor grasp on the bigger picture of what life is. But as I said, I'll deal with my thoughts on this tomorrow when I actually have more time to. I have my girlfriend talking to me explaining her day, and if I don't pay at least half my attention on her, I'll be wearing this laptop. The tree? It's doing quite poorly and will be dead soon. When they built the Nike Store, they destroyed approx. forty percent of the roots. The surviving big leaf maple has the same problem and will be dead soon. The Nike Store has moved, and Owner Brian Obie is adding three stories to this building and turning it into a hotel. The Incense cedar has not grown any since the construction started, and it's once luxurious canopy of green is sparse, with huge gaps in it. IF it were a human, one would assume said individual was undergoing rigorous chemotherapy. I had originally intended on a defense of one of the four trees removed for this building. But while I was on my way from the Clark Creek Timber sale where I had been living in a 600 year old Douglas Fir in the Red Cloud Thunder tree- sit to switch gears to do urban forest defense, the powers that be's intelligence gathering informed them something was happening, and they hurriedly dropped the four trees in the building's footprint. I had climbed the cedar with solely the intent to hang a banner and establish an aerial presence for the demonstration planned the next day. As they had dropped the four target trees, I canceled the diversion and made a frontal attack on the tree on a bicycle initiating the climb with gaffs and lanyards. I am experienced in conventional climbing and had worked in the woods with standard gear, as I have explosive training and would remove the tops of live trees with gel packs to make wildlife snags to replace those that logging removed too many of before study of the forest revealed how important they were. I also have taken trees down doing conventional tree service and have done commercial and pre-commercial thinning - as well as using my chainsaws to cut fire trail as a sawyer doing wild land firefighting. Unfortunately, the meat head who cost his company's insurance a large out of court settlement to me aggressively interdicted me. I was forced to jettison my primary gear he has compromised my control of, forcing me to go to my backup contingency climbing harness and soft lanyards without the steel cores. I managed to achieve the canopy, but the branches of an incense cedar are much like the drain pipes under a sink dropping radically down from where they are attached to the trunk. I was too stubborn, climbed too high, got too fatigued. I jettisoned my ruck and all extraneous gear and told the security guard and my ground support I was going to fall and to get the fire department to respond. The just out of high school football jock of a guard mocked me and did not respond to my request quickly, doing so only after a fist fight for his phone by my ground support. Then the protocol of response was to get police there before sending the FD as they wanted to see if the protester presence posed a threat to the firemen. Sean McGain, a cop got there sooner then the cops dispatch - you know how curious cops are. He saved my life. He saw the construction fence segmented immediately below me would break me in half if I hit them. He told the guards to pull the fence away from below me. After they refused, he ordered them telling them they would be going to jail if they did not comply; they did. He encouraged me to hang on, and I could hear the beeps of the doors rising at the fire house two blocks away. He had gotten them to respond earlier, thus they arrived on the scene fast enough to save my life. I remember my bicycle gloved hands slowly pulling apart, and calming myself preparing to pull feet free to try for a parachute landing fall. But I was too tired and I pivoted like a hinge. I fought panic and concentrated on maintaining a strict line of impact. I don't at all remember the impact, but briefly woke, smelled my blood, and was aware of a board under me and a collar on my neck. I could feel them tying my head and tried to get up. I remember then shouting at me to stay calm and to not move. I defaulted to thinking I had been hit by a car while bike riding and I started asking how the bike was, and then I remember waking with my Mom and girlfriend dozing in chairs next to me. I remember when waking thinking I was waking up in the morning after a night's sleep, then I opened my eyes and recognized the hospital environs, the our of body, and as I was tied to keep my arms stationary shaking Mom awake with my foot on her knee, and immediately ordering her to untie me. The Nurse came in, asked the battery of questions they ask someone coming out of a coma. "What day is it? Who's the President? WHere are you? What is your name" etc.etc.I remembered them telling me to relax, take it easy, and escaping two hours later to the bicycle shop on E13th St. I'm a hard person to get to do as you tell me to do. And I hate being poked and prodded by doctors. shop was only a short walk away. Of course they found me. I'm well known to be drawn to anything bicycle, and my friends worked there. The took me back insisting I ride in a damn wheelchair like I was some kind of invalid or something. It's kinda the way I am. Stubborn and unwilling to give up if I decide I'm going to do something.
Yeah, whatever Mike. You still put human life second, earth first. Oh, and you'll find "sympathy" right between "shit" and "syphilis" in the dictionary.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Well, that is not how I see it. So it goes. I'll expound on what I said in the above post tomorrow. It will give you a chance to disagree once more.
Heh, Sympathy? Sympathy? I don't need no stinking sympathy. You perceive wrongly. I know what forum I'm in and whom I speak to. It I expected sympathy, I'd have to be out of my gourd. Frankly I'm surprised you would think I'd fish for something I loathe so deeply. I am first and foremost deeply independent and do not care for sympathy. It makes me feel creepy and uncomfortable to experience it. In fact, had I died, I would of been a martyr with every asshole and his brother putting words in my mouth. A martyr is someone who dies. When someone like me lives to argue and disagree with others in the activist community, you get what I got: People pissed off when I told them they fucked up in some of the things they did while I was hospitalized. I never pandered to anybody to milk any part of the situation. That is also part of my nature. I say what I think, which is why exactly why I was doing activism and didn't become a politician. I just expect your honest opinion, and am fine with agreeing to diagree. Anyone lying and agreeing just to manipulate me will always run afoul of my radar and get nothing but scorn from me.
Give the settlement money back.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Don't fucking bother Mike. Nobody cares. Least of all me. You can take your population control and shove it up your ass. See ya around.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
I vote you Keyboard Kommando of the year. You should start your own website.
Is that why you spend all your time here at LF? Because you even got banned at your own website?
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)
You should start your own website. Oh no, I don't know how I'll ever live without your approval! Woe is me! DILLIGAF what you think?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Au contraire!!! I'm thankful that old fucks like you have this hobby. It keeps you out of your cars and off the street.
I don't have time to beat you up today. Can you come back tomorrow?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Okay...when you're ready just bump that census thread up. What an ass whoppin' you gave me there, eh?
Yo sure are anal retentive, and obsessed. It's no problem at all, I'm glad to share my views on this. Thanks for sharing your's too, dude.
Can't do that, Dude. I have inherited some land, and will be using it to build a house there. But don't fret, not much wood will go into it, and all of that will be recycled from demolition of older buildings. Hey, the security guard was fired too. His job, cupcake, was to call the police in th event there was a little old trespasser like me. If you assume liability for a construction site, and hire a dim to be your key shaker who thinks he's the terminator, you deserve to pay for your mistakes in an amount with commas in it. Don't like it? Well, you can't kiss my ass. I don't wave it around sans clothing like you like too.
The injuries you sustained were your fault, and yours alone. And even you know it by this statement: You have NONE of your claimed regard for the individual, proven so by you total DISREGARD for private property rights. You trespassed. You climbed the tree, and you fell because you were stubborn. And when you're injured in doing all this, what do you do? You steal someone else's money. But you didn't use a gun or a knife. Your weapon? The legal system. You are the burglar that sues his victim if he trips on a roller skate on the living room floor after he has broken into and entered the victim's house. By your actions, you have proven that you are less than honorable, Mike. And thus a conversation with you is meaningless.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
I'm back. GO ahead.
Nope, The lawyers knew as did I that his job had been specifically to watch the site. Because wrestling and detaining someone going up a tree that is in no danger of being cut down as those had been dropped and will have to come down and thus is very accessible, he was to not put his employer in danger of the added expense of a workers compensation claim. He was fired on that issue, and he would of been fired whether I had quit or not. He is a big linebacker type who had been throwing things at me and screaming loudly and threateningly. I was in fear of my life, and would of proved this in court. Nobody begrudges someone not climbing down to be assaulted by someone that looked out of control on video, and to the eyewitnesses smoking in front of Joe Federico's Jazz club across the street. They were concerned and yelling at him to calm down, he scared them. Anything else is a moot point. I have the money, and that won't change. And I did so fully prepared to be charged and convicted of trespass, so what? He committed a crime of assault beyond the purview of his job, and it cost him his life, and his boss' insurance company a pretty penny. i had had a diversion planned to engage possible overzealous at will employees such as this guy. And I assumed he and others like him would react like adults stay within the working orders of his job and clearly outlined responsibilities. My only fault here is underestimating what a wacko this fool was. He even came to my hospital room after being canned and tried to get me to talk to him. I had security trespass him from the hospital as long as I was there and refused to speak to him as my lawyer directed me to. He was a fool and got bitten by the car this doggie chased. Oh well, such is life, so full of lessons for us all to learn, myself included. I'm as imperfect a human as anyone else with my graces and flaws. but in this situation, he was wrong, and I was wronged.
The entire thing was your fault. Period.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Translation: I am conservative, do not like dissent from sources left of me, thus I default to pronouncements that they are wrong, regardless of how much sense their argument makes. You are doing a mad Dog here WC. Quite the situation to be in. ;-D
Wrong Mike. I'm stating a simple fact. And your arguments make no sense. Now you've left those arguments and gone to personal attack. The entire thing was your fault. And you haven't the honor to accept responsibility for it. And you know it.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Not a personal attack, just an observation. You don't refute my argument in any way. You just say I was wrong, no discussion, period. Which is what a fuckwit like Maddie does. I was clearly in my right to engage in non-violent civil disobedience, and the guy was a first job security guard. He was no graduate of law enforcement training security officer. He was not support to do what he did in interdiction, and he would of been fired whether I came down or not. There would of been a lawsuit whether I was injured or not. All the almost died injury did was bring a sooner-better-faster settlement. This ain't Nazi-Germany.... yet.... WC. So when he did what he did, he and his employer broke rules. He created a liability in his Freddie Kruger grab the tree climbing ferret routine. I am only guilty of underestimating his stupidity. Something I won't do next time in this first in a long time series of tree defenses in town I will be doing. I never retired you see. My ground team will give you guys an article posting when it happens if I can't. The tree I fell from is set to be cut for the hotel construction this upcoming month. But as it will die soon regardless, I won't climb it again. But we have been refining the equipment, training and action SOPs, so we will go into action in the next few months. I generally do inner city tree defenses as I am skilled with the perpetual press contact and am a cool head when dealing with adversity that comes with an action. For example, I was defending a tree at the Shelton-MacMurphy-Johnson House, the only city museum that is in a built in 1888 house by Skinner's Butte i had one guy turn on the yard garden hose and spray me. I sat there ignoring him until my nearby ground person came back in response to my phone call on my cell. I had a lot of interesting experiences on that sit, which was my last one and a few years ago.
Get a webcam and a live feed going. We need a good laugh.
Not how you do this sort of thing, Stone. We tape all the time especially to document abuses committed against protesters. But we don't provide re-con service for the police.
I know what you are Mike. And so does anyone who has paid attention to this thread, and can put 2 and 2 together. Thanks.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
The average temperature on the planet is estimated to be between -31 to -12C, but the ground temperature would vary from blazing hot on the bright side and freezing on the dark side.
#2. To: hondo68 (#0)
"Our findings offer a very compelling case for a potentially habitable planet," said Steven Vogt, an astronomer at the University of California, Santa Cruz. "The fact that we were able to detect this planet so quickly and so nearby tells us that planets like this must be really common."
Mad dog gets
"calibrated..."
#3. To: hondo68, *Space News*, *Science and technology* (#0)
An artist's impression of Gliese 581g, which astronomers say is near Earth - relatively speaking - at 120 trillion miles.
#4. To: hondo68 (#0)
Astronomers have discovered a potentially habitable planet of similar size to Earth in orbit around a nearby star.
#5. To: Wood_Chopper (#4)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
I don't know Woody. I bet you would not be able to contain your excitement and revelation if they posted a proof showing there was a flat Earth, and that the Universe was Geo- centric and revolved around us.
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
I don't know Woody. I bet you would not be able to contain your excitement and revelation if they posted a proof showing there was a flat Earth, and that the Universe was Geo- centric and revolved around us.
#8. To: Wood_Chopper (#6)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
As for trees, I'm more of a 'branch manager,' teaching the art of climbing to younger folks interested in continuing the struggle of forest defense then I am into doing the rank and file work myself.
And Dude I would say that I am as convinces [sic]as you are not that there is indeed global warming, and that the world is overpopulated with humans
Earth First! No compromise in the defense of mother Earth
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
(Edited)
and that the world is overpopulated with humans
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
And Dude
#12. To: Wood_Chopper (#11)
(Edited)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#13. To: Wood_Chopper (#11)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#14. To: Wood_Chopper (#10)
"Ya know Mike, if the people who believed as you do, that there are just too many humans here, would just go ahead and off themselves instead of demanding others die for their beliefs, the world would be a better place."
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
I do support abstinence and reasonable means to control population numbers....
A species that has an obligation to protect the sanctity of all life on this blue bubble of a planet....
Well Chop, I am against abortion and genocide toward any end; including population reduction.
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
With all due respect, say it nice, with the appropriate politesse, I would be most happy not to.
#17. To: Wood_Chopper (#15)
(Edited)
"Population "control" IS genocide."
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#18. To: Wood_Chopper (#16)
(Edited)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#19. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
blah blah blah
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#18)
#21. To: Wood_Chopper (#19)
(Edited)
#22. To: Wood_Chopper (#19)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#23. To: Rudgear (#21)
his is addressed to Ferret Mike, not directly at you, wc.
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
(Edited)
You seek merely to put me on the defensive. And you seek to do that, because deep down inside you know I am right. This scares you subconsiously and you don't want truth; you can't handle it at all.
#25. To: Rudgear (#21)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#26. To: Wood_Chopper (#24)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
#28. To: Wood_Chopper (#27)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
Yes, I had a concussion; no the fall didn't affect who I am, what I believe, or how I think.
Gee, or maybe it was when the risers slapped my head when I didn't tuck my head enough jumping out of Phase one of the Special Forces Qualification Course giving me several stitches behind my ear.
But thanks greatly for your deep and abiding Christian concern.
#30. To: Wood_Chopper (#29)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#31. To: Ferret Mike (#30)
Actually I was in a coma several days. But I was of the Wicca faith long before the fall.
#32. To: hondo68 (#0)
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not -- Thomas Jefferson
#33. To: Wood_Chopper (#31)
(Edited)
"I really think you ought to have a doctor look at your head for damage, but I'm not going to force you into doing it."
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
I want the accumulated riches that are only garnered by helping others.
#35. To: Wood_Chopper (#34)
(Edited)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#36. To: Ferret Mike (#35)
(Edited)
#37. To: Wood_Chopper (#36)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#38. To: Wood_Chopper (#36)
(Edited)
"Oh, and you'll find "sympathy" right between "shit" and "syphilis" in the dictionary."
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
I never pandered to anybody to milk any part of the situation.
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
I'll expound on what I said in the above post tomorrow.
#41. To: Wood_Chopper (#39)
#42. To: war (#41)
#43. To: war (#41)
I vote you Keyboard Kommando of the year.
#44. To: Wood_Chopper (#43)
#45. To: war (#44)
#46. To: Wood_Chopper (#45)
#47. To: Wood_Chopper (#40)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#48. To: Wood_Chopper (#39)
"Give the settlement money back."
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#48)
Hey, the security guard was fired too. His job, cupcake, was to call the police in th event there was a little old trespasser like me. If you assume liability for a construction site, and hire a dim to be your key shaker who thinks he's the terminator, you deserve to pay for your mistakes in an amount with commas in it.
I was too stubborn, [I]climbed too high, [I]got too fatigued.
#50. To: Wood_Chopper (#45)
#51. To: Wood_Chopper (#49)
"The injuries you sustained were your fault, and yours alone."
"You trespassed. You climbed the tree, and you fell because you were stubborn."
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#52. To: Ferret Mike (#51)
#53. To: Wood_Chopper (#52)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
(Edited)
#55. To: Wood_Chopper (#54)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#56. To: Ferret Mike (#55)
#57. To: A K A Stone (#56)
Les personnes faibles ne peuvent être sincères.
#58. To: Ferret Mike (#55)
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