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Title: Biden: Democratic base should 'stop whining' (look at the alternatives)
Source: Google/AP
URL Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap ... UqMTQD9IGHGA00?docId=D9IGHGA00
Published: Sep 27, 2010
Author: HOLLY RAMER
Post Date: 2010-09-27 20:28:42 by Hondo68
Keywords: urged Democrats to, stop whining, look at the alternatives
Views: 23746
Comments: 37

MANCHESTER, N.H. — Campaigning for Democratic candidates in New Hampshire, Vice President Joe Biden said Monday the party's base should "stop whining."

Biden attended a fundraiser for Rep. Paul Hodes, who is running for the Senate; Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, who is seeking re-election to a third term; and the state Democratic Party. He said Democrats can win both races if they draw clear distinctions between themselves and their Republican opponents, and he urged Democrats to "remind our base constituency to stop whining and get out there and look at the alternatives. This president has done an incredible job. He's kept his promises."

The event was hosted by yogurt manufacturer Stonyfield Farm, whose president, Gary Hirshberg, is a longtime Democratic activist and fundraiser.

Speaking to voters at a Manchester home earlier in the day, Biden said the "Pledge to America" House Republicans are promoting would do nothing but increase the national debt and eliminate government services critical to the nation's health and prosperity.

Republicans last week unveiled their plan to cut taxes and spending, repeal President Barack Obama's health care law and end his stimulus program if the GOP retakes the House in November. Biden criticized its lack of specifics and offered his opinion on what would happen if the plan was implemented.

"If they did everything the pledge calls for, it will add a trillion dollars to the debt and that would require them under their program to eliminate every program in the government from the FBI to highways and a whole bunch of other things to meet the goals they state," he said.

Biden spoke about the economy to about a dozen voters at a home in Manchester, where he was joined by New Hampshire's three Democrats in Congress: Hodes, Shea-Porter and Sen. Jeanne Shaheen.

Biden said Democrats will lose if the November election is a referendum on how people feel about the economy, but they'll win if they emphasize the progress they've made and plans to build on it. He said he understands that someone looking for a job doesn't have time to track the details of the new health care law or stimulus program, but he said Democrats should remind those voters that many of the benefits haven't kicked in yet.

"We've made great progress, but to the guy or the woman sitting at their kitchen table without a job it doesn't matter — they're in trouble. We owe them an answer as to how we're going to ... now that the economy's been stabilized, build it again," Biden said.

That answer includes increasing tax credits for small business, giving companies incentives to manufacture their products in the United States instead of overseas and focusing on creating jobs in renewable energy and other green technologies, Biden said. Republicans, meanwhile, have become the "party of repeal and repeat," he said.

"What they're offering is not only going to keep us in the ditch, it's going to drive us back down further into the ditch," he said.

Parish Braden, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said Biden's trip to New Hampshire should remind voters that Hodes and Shea-Porter "are in lockstep with the Obama administration's failed economic policies that have hurt small businesses, raised taxes and put our country further into debt."

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

"If they did everything the pledge calls for, it will add a trillion dollars to the debt and that would require them under their program to eliminate every program in the government from the FBI to highways and a whole bunch of other things to meet the goals they state," he said.

he's right.

go65  posted on  2010-09-27   20:39:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#1)

he's right.

Really? How so?

Break it down for me and show me how "he's right".

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-09-27   21:11:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Wood_Chopper (#2)

Really? How so?

Do the math. If you follow the GOP budget approach, you would have to eliminate everything save defense, SS, and medicare to balance the budget.

Look at Paul Ryan's roadmap, he balances the budget by 2080 by raising taxes on 95% of Americans.

go65  posted on  2010-09-28   12:20:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: go65 (#9)

Do the math. If you follow the GOP budget approach, you would have to eliminate everything save defense, SS, and medicare to balance the budget.

Doesn't look that way to me.

Show me how you did the math to arrive at your conclusion.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-09-28   12:35:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Wood_Chopper (#12) (Edited)

Doesn't look that way to me.

Show me how you did the math to arrive at your conclusion.

OK, the 2010 budget estimates about $3.6 trillion in spending and $2.3 trillion in revenue, leaving a deficit of $1.3 billion.

All discretionary spending = $1.38 billion

If you follow the GOP approach of protecting defense, SS and Medicare from cuts and extending the Bush tax cuts, you would have to cut all discretionary spending - meaning no more VA, DEA, military/government pensions or benefits, FDA, roads, NASA, border patrol, national parks, and so on. You would also have to shut down the federal prison system and turn everyone loose.

And note that it gets worse over the next few years as entitlement spending increases due to an aging population.

go65  posted on  2010-09-28   13:07:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: go65 (#13)

OK, the 2010 budget estimates about $3.6 trillion in spending and $2.3 trillion in revenue, leaving a deficit of $1.3 billion.

If you follow the GOP approach of protecting defense, SS and Medicare from cuts and extending the Bush tax cuts, you would have to cut all discretionary spending -

I will grant you that you may have a point buried amongst the nonsense,there.

The point you have is that the GOP is doing wrong to try and cut taxes with the budget so far out of balance.

I admit to not being a math whiz,but the one thing I do know is that if your budget it out of whack you have three options.

1: cut spending and increase your income.

2:Increase spending and punish people who don't spend more than they make by trying to bankrupt them,and hope the whole thing goes way if you ignore it long enough. This is the Dim plan.

Which leaves you with 1 option. Option number two will do nothing but make the economy worse because consumers will have even less money to spend,leaving option number one as the only rational one. You increase your income by creating a stronger economy that has more people working and paying taxes that are now out of work and drawing tax-payer money as financial aid of some sort.

meaning no more VA, DEA, military/government pensions or benefits, FDA, roads, NASA, border patrol, national parks, and so on.

Uhhhh,none of those are discretionary spending. All are government mandates.

Which does NOT mean their budgets can't be trimmed. ESPECIALLY for the defense department. Other than the pensions,of course. Those are promises the government made that are carved in stone. They can reduce the pension percentage for future government employees,but not for the ones already vested in the system or retired.

DISCRETIONARY spending is such nonsense as foreign aid,government grants,minority set aside programs such as no-bid contracts and affirmative action hires,etc,etc,etc.

You would also have to shut down the federal prison system and turn everyone loose. Wrong once again. Don't you ever get tired of this? If the federal courts sentence a criminal to a federal prison,they are mandated to provide the federal prisons.

They CAN cut this budget by throwing out a lot of the insane laws making everything federal crimes,though. For example,if you get caught bringing a couple of ounces of pot into the country you have committed a federal crime and they are going to spend 25 thousand or more of the taxpayers money each year for 10 years or so to keep you locked up. Yet they allow illegal aliens like Barry Soetoro's Kenyan aunt and uncle to not only remain out of federal prison after violating our federal immigration laws,but even provide them with "free" housing,food,utilities,medical care,and even a retirement check from a system they never paid a dime into. YOU tell ME who is a greater danger to the country.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-09-28   14:00:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete (#18)

meaning no more VA, DEA, military/government pensions or benefits, FDA, roads, NASA, border patrol, national parks, and so on.

Uhhhh,none of those are discretionary spending. All are government mandates.

they all fall under the discretionary budget. You have four areas of the federal budget: defense, entitlements (SS/Medicare), interest, and discretionary spending (the areas Congress must approve each year).

go65  posted on  2010-09-28   14:04:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: go65 (#20)

they all fall under the discretionary budget. You have four areas of the federal budget: defense, entitlements (SS/Medicare), interest, and discretionary spending (the areas Congress must approve each year).

And the VA,military/government pensions or benefits come under the Defense Department.

"FDA, roads, NASA, border patrol, national parks, and so on."

Come under legislative spending,or entitlements. Some of their money even comes from the defense budget. In the case of the DEA and border patrol,the funding comes from the Justice Department. The national parks comes from the Dept of the interior. Roads comes from the Commerce Dept,and most or all of that money comes from fuel taxes.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-09-28   14:19:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#23)

And the VA,military/government pensions or benefits come under the Defense Department.

"FDA, roads, NASA, border patrol, national parks, and so on."

Come under legislative spending,or entitlements. Some of their money even comes from the defense budget. In the case of the DEA and border patrol,the funding comes from the Justice Department. The national parks comes from the Dept of the interior. Roads comes from the Commerce Dept,and most or all of that money comes from fuel taxes.

I'm not sure about Veteran's spending, but FBI, DEA, Coast Guard, National Parks, the entire Justice Department, Commerce, roads and even a large chunk of war funding for Iraq and Afghanistan are listed as discretionary under our budget.

Legislative spending is discretionary.

Rhino  posted on  2010-09-28   14:28:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: All (#25)

And even the Defense spending is technically discretionary, but it's just separated out because it is more long term in nature, and because it is the conservatives golden calf.

Rhino  posted on  2010-09-28   14:31:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Rhino (#26)

And even the Defense spending is technically discretionary, but it's just separated out because it is more long term in nature, and because it is the conservatives golden calf.

Yeah,because there are no defense plants or bases in districts and states governed by Dims,right?

sneakypete  posted on  2010-09-28   19:30:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#31)

Yeah,because there are no defense plants or bases in districts and states governed by Dims,right?

I didn't mean to insinuate Democrats don't like Defense pork, but Republican's refuse to cut the defense in any way, even outside their district. Their new contract with America backs that up. Because paying for war is capitalist and paying for social programs is communist.

Rhino  posted on  2010-09-28   20:33:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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