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Title: The men of honor who kill at least 5,000 women each year
Source: digitaljournal.com
URL Source: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/297370
Published: Sep 12, 2010
Author: R. C. Camphausen
Post Date: 2010-09-12 19:42:57 by WhiteSands
Keywords: honor killings, islam, demcorats
Views: 29391
Comments: 45

At least 5,000 women a year are killed or driven to suicide by fathers or brothers who think that, according to tribal tradition, the inferior female has shamed the family. It is most worrying that the custom has migrated to Europe and the Americas.

In a series of articles in the UK-based Independent, concerning the practice of so-called honor killings and written by well-known Middle-East journalist Robert Fisk, the repeated appearance of the mobile phone is very striking, showing how medieval and modern are now intermingled. Daughters are told to commit suicide by mobile, sisters are phoned and asked to meet brothers – only to be shot when they arrive – others again are killed merely their mobile has stored an unfamiliar number that could be from a secret admirer.

It is staggering to imagine a young woman being killed merely because the family finds a new number on the daughter's mobile. The killing itself, most readers will agree, is the most terrible aspect of such an ancient, tribal tradition – yet one also needs to pause for a moment and imagine the kind of total social control that's in place if a father or brother has the right, and the desire, to check the mobile phone of daughter, sister or wife for the numbers it has stored.

Women who are killed this way die for a variety of reasons – if the latter term can be applied at all: not wanting to enter into a marriage arranged by her family without her consent, being disobedient, talking to or meeting a man outside her own family, being suspected of adultery, having an actual love affair, having been raped, having become pregnant by way of incestuous rape by her own father, wanting to adapt to the culture in the new country the family migrated to, not following traditional dress-code, wanting a divorce from an abusive husband, having had a gynaecological exam.

It is difficult to imagine, but all of the 'dishonorable' actions, situations or experiences listed above have been documented as reasons why fathers and brothers, sometimes with the consent of the mother, have felt that the only way out of the situation was murder: slashing a throat, 33 stabs with a knife, a few gunshots, wringing a neck, burying a girl alive or drowning her. Last not least, the accused may simply be ordered to commit suicide – and that's what the frightened women sometimes actually do.

If the above is hard to believe, an in-depth investigation by the Independent enabled Robert Fisk to provide us with names of victims and places, each time citing the so-called offense and the manner of punishment. Here is a very abbreviated list of what has been collected:

Du'a Khalil Aswad. Aged 17, she was stoned to death in Nineveh, Iraq, by a mob of 2,000 men for falling in love with a man outside her tribe.

Rand Abdel-Qader The Iraqi 17-year-old was stabbed to death by her father two years ago after falling in love with a British soldier in Basra.

Heshu Yones The 16-year-old was stabbed to death by her Muslim father Abdullah, in west London in 2002, because he disapproved of her Christian boyfriend.
Tasleem Solangi The Pakistani village girl, 17, was falsely accused of immorality and had dogs set on her as a punishment before she was shot dead by in-laws.
Shawbo Ali Rauf Aged 19, she was taken by her family to a picnic in Dokan, Iraq, and shot seven times after they had found an unfamiliar number on her phone.
Tulay Goren The 15-year-old Kurdish girl was killed in north London by her father because the family objected to her choice of husband.

If the estimate by the United Nations of 5,000 such killings per year is correct, it comes down to 13 dead women and girls every single day, yet if the estimate by aid-workers and women's shelters are true, who think in terms of 20,000 – it would mean that a woman is killed by this custom every 27 minutes on each day of the year. While some countries, like Jordan for example, have introduced laws intended to change the situation, it is on record that in many instances police and the judges allow the killers to go free.

In Pakistan, the country that has the most honor killings on the planet, the killer is not punished as long as his father or the rest of the family forgives the killer his deed. It seems to be similar among the Kurdish population in Iraq. where of 350 known honor killings, committed within a mere 7 months in 2007, only five of the killers were convicted, which is a mere 6 percent.

Honor killings, an apologetic name for simple murder, may occur in more places than given here, yet the countries and territories named are on record. Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Chechnya, Egypt, India, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Lybia, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, the occupied Palestinian territories, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Syria, Turkey, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Yemen. From here, this brutal and misogynist custom has meanwhile spread to Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Russia, Sweden, United Kingdom, United States by way of emigration.

It seems that the custom is not dependent on a person's faith, although it is clearly most widespread in male-dominated Arab-speaking nations. In Jordan for example, which is host to many Palestinian refugees who are Christian, such honor killings occur more in the Christian than in the Muslim community. An old Egyptian friend of Robert Fisk had this to say:

"Two things will happen when you write your reports about 'honour' killing, Mr Robert. Firstly, they will say you are using Muslims as whipping boys – even though this has nothing to do with Islam. And then you will be accused of demeaning the Arab nation or Egypt or Jordan or Pakistan or Turkey."
In the same article, a Pakistani woman explains the basic premise of the system with these words:
'Honour' for men is connected with women's behaviour because they are seen as the property of the family – and of the community. They have no independent identities, they are not independent human beings. Men also think of women as an extension of themselves. When women violate these standards, this is a direct blow to the man's sense of identity.

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#4. To: Fred Mertz (#2)

a little quick there with that denial

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-12   21:31:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#1)

I posted that:

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=13064

Would you be in support of a club that promoted killing ones wife over cold eggs?

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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-09-12   21:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Skip Intro (#3) (Edited)

He didn't stop with just her. Anyway, I'm not sure killing your wife is a crime, biblically.

Now I know why you hate God and his word. You don't have a clue what it says or teaches. You've been brainwashed. Try actually reading the Bible. You will find wisdom and goodness. You might even find salvation. I sincerely hope you do.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-12   21:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Skip Intro (#3) (Edited)

I'm not sure killing your wife is a crime, biblically.

I believe that you don't know this.

And that you don't know many other things.

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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.

WhiteSands  posted on  2010-09-12   21:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#6)

Did you ever read the OT, Stone? Really read it?

"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-12   21:36:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Skip Intro (#3)

Skip Intro "I'm not sure killing your wife is a crime, biblically."

How can they say you have no integrity, principle, or honor after your baboon-brain transplant?

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-12   21:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Skip Intro (#8)

What do you have a problem with in the old testament?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-12   21:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone, Skidmark Script Tracker (#6)

You don't have a clue what it says or teaches. You've been brainwashed.

No, he's just a barely functional vegetable channeling Snooki.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-12   21:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#10)

What do you have a problem with in the old testament?

Let's just stick with my post #3 above, shall we?

Deuteronomy 22:13-21: A bride who had been presented as a virgin, and who could not be proven to be one, was to be stoned to death by the men of her village. Verse 21 says: "Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." The woman would be allowed to live if her previous owner --her husband -- could produce evidence in the form of blood caused by her hymen breaking when her husband first engaged in sexual intercourse with her. Of course, this would not be much of a defense if she happened to have been born without a hymen or if it broken broken because of heavy exercise. There appears to have been no similar penalty for men who had engaged in consensual pre-marital sexual activity.

Numbers 5:17-31 "Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water....." This passage describes the action that a husband could take if he suspected that his wife had engaged in an adulterous relationship. He would take her to the tabernacle, where the priest would make a magical drink consisting of holy water and sweepings from the tabernacle floor. He would have the woman drink the water while he recited a curse on her. The curse would state that her abdomen would swell and her thigh waste away if she had committed adultery. In that era when medical treatment was almost unknown, the treatment would probably have resulted in her death. If she were pregnant at this time, the curse would certainly induce an abortion. There was no similar magical test that a woman could require her husband to take if she suspected him of adultery.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ofe_bibl1.htm

"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-12   21:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#10)

What do you have a problem with in the old testament?

Lot offering up his daughters to be raped.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-12   21:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Skip Intro (#12)

It sounds like god wanted good righteous people. If sin had been permitted at the beginning with no consequences. It would have led to people like those that were destroyed by the flood.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-12   21:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

It sounds like god wanted good righteous people.

Lot offered his daughter to be raped. Lot was considered a righteous man.

"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-12   21:48:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Skip Intro (#15)

considered

Does it say he was righteous or just considered righteous. Oh yes it says considered. Probably because of his faith he was forgiven. God is forgiving.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-12   21:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)

God is forgiving.

The New Testament God is, not the OT one, especially not to women.

"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-12   21:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)

Lot was spared through the intercession of Abraham, who was beloved by God. Not because Lot was particularly righteous.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)

Rudgear  posted on  2010-09-12   21:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Rudgear (#18)

Not because Lot was particularly righteous.

Only Jesus was perfect. Everyone else was flawed. Just as today.

Lot was surrounded by evil and was better then those around him. Still not perfect.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-12   22:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Liberator (#9)

Skip Intro "I'm not sure killing your wife is a crime, biblically."

I am no fan of religions but that statement does reveal Skip Intros bumper sticker University degree.

As well as his lack of concern that Muslims believe their Koran does say such.

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WhiteSands  posted on  2010-09-12   22:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: WhiteSands (#20)

I thought you were a christian.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-12   22:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#19)

Lot was related to Abraham, who was indeed righteous and as a result much beloved by God, and refused to indulge in the perverted ans lose sexual behavior of Sodom. Yes. Lot was flawed as you or I am flawed.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)

Rudgear  posted on  2010-09-12   22:05:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)

Whitey is a compendium of hatred. You can relate to that, can't you?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-09-12   22:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Noah was similarly saved. The Bible only says Noah was 'perfect in his generations'.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)

Rudgear  posted on  2010-09-12   22:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: WhiteSands (#20)

I am no fan of religions but that statement does reveal Skip Intros bumper sticker University degree.

I've already shown you two places in the bible where it backs my statement up. That's more than I've ever seen you do.

"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-12   22:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Fred Mertz (#23)

Fred. Sometimes you are an idiot. But I don't hate you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-12   22:10:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#26)

Likewise.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-09-12   22:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Fred Mertz (#27)

I would even add that I like you and don't understand some of your attacks on me.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-12   22:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Fred Mertz (#27)

Know how pete's doing Fred? I hear he's been sick.

"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-12   22:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#28)

I would even add that I like you and don't understand some of your attacks on me.

There was a time when I thought I liked him too, it was nice having someone around from my own home state, talk about things you have in common, but what I've found out is, some of these so-called men are just not right in the head, surely they don't behave like this in person....?

Anyway, I'm not as gullible and trusting as I once was.

"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee

Murron  posted on  2010-09-12   22:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Skip Intro (#29)

I saw something about that earlier today. We don't keep up with each other, except online.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-09-12   22:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Fred Mertz (#31)

I saw something about that earlier today.

That's what I saw. Hope all is well with him

"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-12   22:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Murron (#30)

You have no reason to hate me, Mammy. You know that's the truth.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-09-12   22:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Skip Intro (#3)

He didn't stop with just her. Anyway, I'm not sure killing your wife is a crime, biblically.

Threatening to split a baby in two to prove a point evidently was a-okay too. In fact the proposed splitter was considered a wise man for torturing poor peasant women with the suggestion.

mininggold  posted on  2010-09-12   22:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: WhiteSands, Skid Mark Intro (#20)

I am no fan of religions but that statement does reveal Skip Intros bumper sticker University degree.

This pod's "degree" was scrawled in crayon by a Chimpanzee.

He's one of LF's champion idiots.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-13   0:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Rudgear, A K A Stone (#18)

Lot was spared through the intercession of Abraham, who was beloved by God. Not because Lot was particularly righteous.

No, but as a result of his unwavering faith in God despite satan's throwing a world of hurt at Lot. A lesson for ALL of us when we start feeling sorry for ourselves for "bad luck." Lot battled with an eye on the Finish Line.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-13   0:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#13)

Lot offering up his daughters to be raped.

A simple, easy conclusion from a simple woman who reads others' opinions online.

That's the problem with you amateur Bible "scholars-by-proxy"

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-13   0:54:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#19)

Lot was surrounded by evil and was better then those around him.

Lot was faced with a complicated "no-win" situation that can NOT be compared in terms of contemporary man.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-13   0:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Skip Intro (#12)

Cutting & pasting a pair of paragraphs and tracts of scripture without the context of prior scripture tells an incomplete story.

Leave it to you to pretend to understand what's happening, Skidmark.

My God - what a collection of stupid posters.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-13   1:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#38)

Lot was faced with a complicated "no-win" situation that can NOT be compared in terms of contemporary man.

I see, Lot's a good guy and we must not judge his behavior by 21st century standards or take it out of context. The same rules, however do not apply to the Koran.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-13   12:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Liberator (#39)

Cutting & pasting a pair of paragraphs and tracts of scripture without the context of prior scripture tells an incomplete story.

Its okay to do that with the Koran to prove Muslims are evil though - right?

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-13   12:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lucysmom (#40)

What religion teaches this?

"Women were not allowed to testify in court trials. They could not go out in public, or talk to strangers. When outside of their homes, they were to be doubly veiled."

"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-13   12:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Skip Intro (#42)

That sounds like every day Orthodox Judaism to me...

They live among us...

war  posted on  2010-09-13   13:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Skip Intro (#42)

I don't know.

Regarding manners of dress, and other than that passage, the Quran requires only that women and men dress modestly. Beyond that, it never requires face or full-body coverings of any form for men or women.

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lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-13   13:21:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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