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Title: Saudi Diplomat Seeking Asylum: 'My life Is In Danger'
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URL Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39118941/
Published: Sep 11, 2010
Author: By Michael Isikoff
Post Date: 2010-09-11 21:31:33 by Murron
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Saudi Diplomat Seeking Asylum: 'My life Is In Danger' Envoy says he fears persecution if he leaves the U.S. and returns home A ranking Saudi diplomat told NBC News that he has asked for political asylum in the United States, saying he fears for his life if he is forced to return to his native country. The diplomat, Ali Ahmad Asseri, the first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, has informed U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials that Saudi officials have refused to renew his diplomatic passport and effectively terminated his job after discovering he was gay and was close friends with a Jewish woman. In a recent letter that he posted on a Saudi website, Asseri angrily criticized his country’s “backwardness” as well as the role of “militant imams” in Saudi society who have “defaced the tolerance of Islam.” Perhaps most provocatively of all, he has threatened to expose what he describes as politically embarrassing information about members of the Saudi royal family living in luxury in the U.S. If he is forced to go back to Saudi Arabia — as Saudi officials are demanding — Asseri says he could face political persecution and even death. “My life is in a great danger here and if I go back to Saudi Arabia, they will kill me openly in broad daylight,” Asseri said Saturday in an email to NBC. In a recent interview, Asseri and his lawyer said that the Saudi diplomat was questioned by a Department of Homeland Security official in Los Angeles on Aug. 30 after formally applying for asylum on the grounds that he is a member of a “particular social group” — gays — that would subject him to persecution if he returns to his home country. Officials at DHS in Washington as well as the Saudi Embassy in Washington and the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles did not respond to requests for comment.
Poster Comment: It has to be al-Qaida after him, Islamic muzlims wouldn't make threats, or harm him, they are not the enemy... obama said so~ "The overwhelming majority of Muslims around the world are peace-loving people. They include millions of our fellow citizens in this country who are our friends, neighbors and co-workers and attend school with our children. What would it say if we start acting as if their religion is somehow offensive." It's important to be clear on who the enemy is — al-Qaida and extremists, not Islam or the majority of Muslims." ~ Obama; 9/11/2010
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#22. To: Skip Intro (#20)
So it is lawful in Afghanistan to drop bombs on people? I haven't seen any prosecutions yet.
Yes. It's illegal to do that in Afghanistan. We are not at war with the government of Afghanistan, so when in their country we follow their laws. Is it really that difficult for you to grasp this?
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
There. Happy now? He didn't try to convert anyone. Do you support finding someone guilty before they do anything as a precaution? It sounds like you do.
Apparently so. What has that got to do with this? Trying to change the subject?
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
He is on a military base and it has its own laws. Are there no christians in Afghanistan?
Answer the constitutional question please.
That's right, because he was stopped. I'm done. If this is beyond you, please go yourself. Good luck.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Hey pussy. Answer the question if the military is bound by the constitution while overseas.
Losers always run when they lost the debate. You are such a pussy that you can't answer a simple question.
The whole story behind the burned Bibles By Robert Farley Published on Monday, May 18th, 2009 Related rulings: "The Pentagon under the Obama administration has just acknowledged seizing and burning the privately owned Bibles of American soldiers serving in Afghanistan." Pray in Jesus Name Project, Sunday, May 17th, 2009. Ruling: Half-True | Details Share this article: An Al Jazeera English news report shows U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan talking about distributing Bibles. Gordon James Klingenschmitt of the Pray in Jesus' Name Project, a former U.S. Navy chaplain, took out an advertisement in Human Events , a conservative publication, with the headline, "BREAKING NEWS: Pentagon Burns Soldiers Bibles - Military Chaplains Attacked." The story begins, "The Pentagon under the Obama Administration has just acknowledged seizing and burning the privately owned Bibles of American soldiers serving in Afghanistan." We found there's a lot more to the story and rated the statement Half True . Read our full item . When I clicked the link to read the full item, it was missing, and the link for Half True was yanked too, I'll see if I can go deeper into cyberspace and find the intire story on this, some don't know it, but google only covers about 10- 20 % of what is out there. btw, it was Obama's watch this happened on, not bushe's, tho I do not defend him either.
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
I WILL DELETE EVERY COMMENT YOU MAKE UNTIL YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY.
EVERY THREAD. STONE!!!
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
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"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
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"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
I will delete them because I answered all your questions in good faith and you didn't give me the same respect.
I answered your questions, and I corrected your erroneous assumptions. I am not, and have never claimed to be a constitutional expert. Obviously people lose some of their rights in the military. I suggest you hire an attorney who specializes in these matters to answer your questions. I've told you what happened, and why. That's as far as my expertise on the matter goes. BTW, "General Order Number 1 from the U.S. military's Central Command forbids active duty troops -- including all those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan -- from trying to convert people to their religion, considered a crime in many Muslim countries." http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5431RL20090504?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
You didn't really answer the question. Is the military bound by the constitution while overseas. Sorry for being a dick and deleting a couple comments. I'm not perfect.
And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
I get weary of repeating the same thing over and over, doing research and posting facts, when all most of these clowns want is a pissing contest...nothing of what you or I post sinks in, if they even read it all. If skip had just looked at the date on the bible burning, he'd have seen it was 2009, under Obama...but he's like some infantile idiot, repeating himself.
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
So if the president gives them a mission to disarm Americans in America. Skip would say. "And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission." Your contempt for the constitution is heart breaking.
Skip is correct it happened under Bush. mininggold or lucysmom taught me that. But it was revealed when Obama was president.
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=54189 Officials Reject Allegations of Proselytizing in Afghanistan By Jim Garamone American Forces Press Service WASHINGTON, May 4, 2009 – A report broadcast by the Arab news network Al Jazeera about U.S. servicemembers proselytizing in Afghanistan is just plain wrong, Pentagon officials said today. The Al Jazeera story showed an evangelical religious service on Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan and a discussion about distributing Bibles that had been translated into Dari and Pashtu – the two major languages of Afghanistan. “American servicemembers are allowed to hold religious services,” a Defense Department official speaking on background said. “The clip shows one of those services with an American chaplain leading a religious service for American servicemembers. In it, he spoke generically about the evangelical faith. That’s all there was to it.” The chaplain did not urge servicemembers to go among the Afghan people and attempt to gain converts to Christianity, the official said. In the second instance, a young sergeant received a shipment of Bibles translated into Dari and Pashtu from his church in the United States. The film showed a discussion about the Bibles. “What it did not show was the chaplain counseling the young sergeant that distributing the Bibles was against U.S. Central Command’s General Order No. 1,” the official said. The chaplain confiscated the Bibles. “As far as we know, none ever got off base.” Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Navy Adm. Mike Mullen was asked about the incident – which happened in May 2008 – during a Pentagon news conference today. “It certainly is – from the United States military’s perspective – not our position to ever push any specific kind of religion, period,” Mullen said. There is no indication disciplinary action was taken against the young servicemember. “The counseling sufficed,” the official said. General Order No. 1 specifically forbids “proselytizing of any faith, religion or practice.”
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Then I owe him an apology, but I still haven't seen a link posted showing this, everywhere I go, the date '2009' pops up, so if you have a link to the original story connecting bush, I'd like to see it. Thanks!
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
This isn't about me, Stone. I'm making an observation about how the world really works.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Ever seen minority report. Your view reminds me of that movie. Pre crime. Even though it isn't really a crime. Even though there are unalienable rights. You must think that our rights come from a piece of paper and not that that piece of paper simply recognizes rights that people inherently have.
"General Order No. 1 specifically forbids “proselytizing of any faith, religion or practice.” Not my rule, Stone. Don't like it, do something about it.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Ok that is good to hear. So you're basically saying that the military does whatever they want. That they are supposed to follow it but in reality they don't. If that is your position then I can't really disagree with that point. Again sorry for deleting a couple of comments. Sometimes my emotions cloud my judgement.
The military is it's own world. Ask some of your vets here, like Fred or sneaky.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Fred was in the military. I never knew.
NSS!
I think he was. I could be wrong.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
He must have been in the calvary or something.
Calvary is a hill where Jesus if he existed was allegedly executed. You mean cavalry.
Christ was crucified at Golgotha.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)
Liberals persecute gays through their support of islam.
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I had no idea when it actually happened. Nor do I really care.
Too funny.
Stone, the Military can make their own rules if command determines it has to to maintain order, discipline and accomplish the various missions at hand. The link above is on the prohibition of abortion in the military. The military is no democracy. They have prohibited religious salesmanship over there, much as they have ordered women serving in Saudi Arabia to wear Muslim grade clothing there and won't let them drive. IF they determine a right you have here gets in the way of accomplishing the mission, you lose it. It has always been that way. I know what I'm talking about.
The commanders with the most power are military ship's Captains. If you are on their ship, you definitely don't want to cross them. There, they are god.
Oh come on... you mean they don't get to vote on whether to carry out an order or not?
All muslims are in the army of allah. I'd-like-to-see-a-bullet-in-his-forehead-fred is a Filipino Muslim.
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In the Military, one falls under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, (UCMJ). I was tried in a Special Court Martial a Fort Bragg in 1977 and won. I spent a buttload of time studying this issue. IF you pass out Bibles and witness in a war theater against expressed orders from command, you are in deep trouble. ART. 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION Any person subject to this chapter who-- (1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation; (2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or (3) is derelict in the performance of his duties; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
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#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)
When he has time off is he prohibited from talking about his religion or sharing it with others?
#24. To: Skip Intro (#20)
Ok Stone. So he breaks the law in Afghanistan, the Afghanis arrest him, try him and execute him.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#22)
So it is lawful in Afghanistan to drop bombs on people? I haven't seen any prosecutions yet.
#26. To: Skip Intro (#23)
#27. To: Skip Intro (#25)
#28. To: A K A Stone (#24)
He didn't try to convert anyone.
#29. To: Skip Intro (#28)
#30. To: Skip Intro (#28)
#31. To: Skip Intro, A K A Stone (#14)
By the way, this is an old story. All of this actually happened under the Bush Administration, not Obama.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#33. To: Murron (#31)
#34. To: Murron (#31)
#35. To: Skip Intro (#32)
#36. To: A K A Stone (#35)
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I will delete them because I answered all your questions in good faith and you didn't give me the same respect.
#37. To: Skip Intro (#36)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)
Is the military bound by the constitution while overseas.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#35)
#40. To: Skip Intro (#38)
And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission.
#41. To: Murron, lucysmom, mininggold, skip intro (#39)
If skip had just looked at the date on the bible burning, he'd have seen it was 2009, under Obama...but he's like some infantile idiot, repeating himself.
#42. To: Murron (#39)
If skip had just looked at the date on the bible burning, he'd have seen it was 2009, under Obama...but he's like some infantile idiot, repeating himself.
#43. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro (#41)
Skip is correct it happened under Bush. mininggold or lucysmom taught me that. But it was revealed when Obama was president.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#40)
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Skip would say. "And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission."
#45. To: Skip Intro, war (#42)
none ever got off base
#46. To: A K A Stone (#45)
#47. To: Skip Intro (#44)
This isn't about me, Stone. I'm making an observation about how the world really works.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#47)
That they are supposed to follow it but in reality they don't. If that is your position then I can't really disagree with that point.
#49. To: Skip Intro (#48)
#50. To: Skip Intro (#28)
I'm done.
#51. To: A K A Stone (#49)
Fred was in the military. I never knew.
#52. To: Skip Intro (#51)
#53. To: A K A Stone (#52)
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
#55. To: Murron (#0)
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#56. To: A K A Stone (#41)
Skip is correct it happened under Bush. mininggold or lucysmom taught me that. But it was revealed when Obama was president.
#57. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
Calvary is a hill where Jesus if he existed was allegedly executed. You mean cavalry.
#58. To: A K A Stone (#26)
http://reproductiverights.org/en/document/penalized-for-serving-their-country-the-ban-on-abortion-for-women-in-the-military
#59. To: A K A Stone (#49)
#60. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
The link above is on the prohibition of abortion in the military. The military is no democracy.
#61. To: A K A Stone (#49)
Fred was in the military. I never knew.
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#62. To: A K A Stone (#52)
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Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
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