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Title: Former Senator, Engineers Offer ‘Proof’ Of 9/11 Controlled Demolitions
Source: RAWSTORY
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/ ... rs-911-controlled-demolitions/
Published: Sep 10, 2010
Author: RAWSTORY
Post Date: 2010-09-10 11:18:32 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 96956
Comments: 112

The nine-year-old body of 9/11 conspiracy theories includes many improbable (and sometimes contradictory) claims, everything from remote-controlled planes flying into the World Trade Center, to a missile hitting the Pentagon, to mass kidnappings of air passengers.

But a group of more than 1,200 architects and engineers is building what it hopes is a scientifically sound argument about one 9/11 claim: That the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed not by fires caused by the airplane collisions, but by a controlled demolition.

At a press conference in Washington DC, Thursday, the group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth offered evidence "that all three WTC skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, in NYC were destroyed by explosive controlled demolition."

The third building the group referred to was World Trade Center 7, a skyscraper that collapsed about eight hours after the main WTC towers fell. For many 9/11 "truthers," WTC7's collapse despite not being hit by a plane is the "smoking gun" proving that something other than airplanes brought down the towers. The WTC7 collapse was not addressed in the official 9/11 Commission report.

"That building fell completely into its own footprint," blogger Andrew Steele told WKTV in Utica. "You can watch on YouTube yourself and use your own common sense. Even if you don't have a scientific background ... if you have two eyes, you can see that fire alone did not bring down that building."

His claims, and those of the 1,270 architects and engineers who have signed on to the effort, were bolstered by the support of former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, who said in a press release that "critically important evidence has come forward after the original government building reports were completed."

Gravel has been concerned with the events of September 11, 2001, for some time now. He has called for an independent investigation into 9/11.

"Unlike the first investigation, this commission should be granted subpoena power and full access to all governmental files and personnel," Gravel wrote. "George Bush should be forced to testify ALONE."

San Francisco architect Richard Gage said the way the towers collapsed was consistent with a controlled demolition, not a chaotic structural collapse.

"The official FEMA and NIST reports provide insufficient, contradictory, and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction," Gage said. "We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials."

But Gage added that "government investigators at the NIST have been forced to acknowledge the free-fall descent, an indicting fact, after being presented with analysis by AE911Truth petition signers."

On its Web site, the architects' and engineers' group lists facts that suggest explosives were used to take down the towers.

-- Rapid onset of "collapse"
-- Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction
-- Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration
-- Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
-- Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
-- FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
-- Slow onset with large visible deformations
-- Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
-- High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed".

Debunking9/11, a Web site devoted to disproving the claims of 9/11 "truthers," argues that no aircraft was needed to bring down WTC7, because "while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7."

"Truthers" and debunkers have been arguing for years over whether the scant photographic evidence of WTC7's south side after the main towers' collapse shows enough damage to justify the building's collapse.

"All the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit," Debunking9/11 asserts. "The others were either very short buildings which didn't have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them."

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#20. To: mcgowanjm (#16)

You were a street away or something.

I worked at`1 Liberty Plaza which sustained severe damage from the collapse of the South Tower. I was standing on the corner of Liberty and Church when the second plane went in. Do you know where the South Tower was? The plane went in on the right of the building on the Liberty Street side .

I know firemen, people who worked for the PA or a company based in every building and I know what I saw and experienced. I know a PA worker who survived the first bombing and died in the second. I saw and spoke with his widow yesterday. I know a PA worker who worked a 48 the weekend that you folks claim that the charges were set. He thinks you folks are Looney Tooons. My father in-law works for a property manager that contracts with the PA for ventilation repair. He worked in WTC7 the same weekend you claim the charges were set.

war  posted on  2010-09-12   9:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: mcgowanjm (#19)

FULLY ENGULFED?

You're blind. Where's all that smoke coming from out of the south Face?

As for burning what...the building had 100% occupancy...

war  posted on  2010-09-12   9:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#20)

I worked at`1 Liberty Plaza which sustained severe damage from the collapse of the South Tower. I was standing on the corner of Liberty and Church when the second plane went in. Do you know where the South Tower was? The plane went in on the right of the building on the Liberty Street side .

Ok, and you said that lest anniversary too, I believe.

I've got mechanics in the Basement of WTC N and Jennings IN the WTC7, saying multiple explosions, 50 ton presses disappearing in same.

Next. We're not talking about planes here and now. We're talking about the SOUTH side of the WTC 7 NOT hit by a plane.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-12   9:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: war (#20) (Edited)

I know firemen

Me too. Like Rastucci saying WTC7 was either going to come down on it's on or be brought down.

And NOT so amazingly, you can't FIND Rastucci in a google of WTC7.

Like he's been scrubbed or something, eh, war?

Had to go over to my other site, to pull this out. I'm sure you and your other White House Conspiracy Theorists will appreciate it: 8D

" Minute 1:21 Brian Williams (and it's Ashley Bancroft, my bad;}:

'It's not unlike an active volcano'.

I can't tell you how much time I spent arguing v the WH CT'ers on Pyroclastic Flow.

And there's ONLY one way to get pyroclastic flow. shaped charges. OR there's a real live Volcano in Manhattan. ;}

1:33 Rastucci NYFD, announces he's a Co Conspirator to Brian Williams:

"It would come down on it's own, or it would be taken down."

Rastucci can be indicted now.

JENNINGS: Many thanks. Mark Obenhaus, one of our senior producers on the phone, who saw the incident, describes it as a large plane, not sure what the color was, not sure the number of engines it had, which, in his mind--he's a very experienced reporter--reflects the speed and surprise with which this aircraft--this is the first one we're talking about now, just before 9:00--approached the World Trade Towers from the north, causing the first huge gap in the building. And Mark describes the plane being engulfed in some respects by the building. Didn't see wings fall off. Saw it go absolutely, totally, almost as he described it, into the building itself.

The White House, of course, is--is--is--has leapt to the forefront of people's concern this morning. And there is a plane circling the White House at the moment. And they're clearing the grounds there. We have--that's a report which may be misleading in that it may presume an attack where as we just discovered a moment ago that what we had was an additional airplane in New York airspace was a security operation. I think probably most Americans know that there is no building in the country which is--which is heavily defended--I shouldn't say deemed secure--but...(network audio difficulties)...but a battery of anti-aircraft missiles on the top of the White House itself.

Jennings above describing the TWO E4B Airborne Control Planes:

One in DC, the other in NYC.

Arrest them now. Brent Scowcroft/Poppy/ and No Pulse Cheney.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-12   10:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#20)

you folks claim

'We Folks' have had to do a lot more than claim.

And it's only taken 9 years for me to find that Rastucci NYFD quote and vid. And I've been on this since CBS, MSM, et al REFUSED to put a camera live on WTC7 that fateful afternoon, even as CNN/BBC were airing LIVE shots of WTC7 'collapsed' 24 min before WTC7 fell!

Even as the SAME live shots showed the WTC7 up and ok.

But That just doesn't bother you, war, does it?

And there's just a mountain of info/pics on NORAD STILL to this day not producing a coherent timeline(among other anomalies) that doesn't bother you as well.

The Empire must be very good to you, war. ;} But less and less 'goodness' every day. Cause that's how Evil works, war. First, you get paid off. Second, you think Evil's gonna win. Third, that's as good as Evil will be for you. Fourth, you see your chains being forged.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-12   10:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Brian S (#0)

History Channel ran a two hour program that totally and completely debunked every single 'Loose Change' claim...ALL FOUR VERSIONS of that inspid video conspiracy compliation.

9/11 Truthers are no different than any other kook religion at this point.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-09-12   10:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war (#21)

You're blind. Where's all that smoke coming from out of the south Face?

EXACTLY, where IS that smoke coming from?

And why won't NIST release ANY pics,vids from the South side.

We know they have them. Who is NIST protecting war?

And why won't you realize that smoke is rising from the TWO floors in the SW corner?

And that there is Nothing available in the WTC 7 that in less than 4 hrs, can melt Fire Resistant steel. Nothing.

And it takes at least a month to wire a building for CD, eh?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-12   10:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: All (#26)

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-12   10:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Badeye (#25)

History Channel ran a two hour program that totally and completely debunked every single 'Loose Change' claim...ALL FOUR VERSIONS of that inspid video conspiracy compliation.

9/11 Truthers are no different than any other kook religion at this point.

You're the 2nd I've seen refer to the History Ch as an Authority.

Wrong. The HC can't even show an uncencored Zapruder Film.

Like the WTC7 is the Zapruder Film of 9-11.

Only CD could collapse the E Machanical Penthouse on top before the rest of the building falls.

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down." http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-12   10:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: All (#28)

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.

The Fairfax police public statement on the death made no reference to Marvin Bush, his address, or the videotape of the deceased employee with President Bush:

"A 62-year-old Alexandria area woman died after being pinned between a rolling car and a building. The crash happened on Monday, around 9 pm, near the intersection of Fort Hunt Road and Edgehill Drive. Bertha Champagne had gone outside to get something from a car in a driveway. The car, which was left in gear, began to roll forward. Champagne was pinned between the car and a small building next to the driveway. The car continued to roll down the driveway, crossed Fort Hunt Road, and came to rest in a wooded area. Champagne was taken to Inova Mount Vernon Hospital where she was pronounced dead."

In fact, an attempt by this editor to obtain the police report in 2003 was unsuccessful, the Fairfax police public affairs officer claiming that it was only releasable to the "Accident Reconstruction Team."

Some observers wondered if Secret Service agents might have been able to assist Champagne when her car pinned her. According to the Secret Service in Washington, the agency only provides protection to presidential siblings if an Executive Order authorizes such action. A Secret Service spokesperson emphasized there was no current Secret Service protection for Marvin Bush at the time of Mrs. Champagne's death.

meet the bush family

Marvin P. Bush, the president's younger brother, was a principal in a .... with John Hinckley's brother the day after the Reagan Assassination attempt. ... www.iwilltryit.com/marvin1.htm - Cached - Similar

The Bush Family-Growing Non stop as America dies since JFK's Assassination

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-12   10:54:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Badeye (#25)

9/11 Truthers are no different than any other kook religion at this point.

And that's just shit slingin' there.

'kook' religion means you're an authority on religion.

Which means that you have some kinda Special Relationship with god.

Care to expound on that relationship,BE?

Didn't think so. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-12   10:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mcgowanjm (#26)

EXACTLY, where IS that smoke coming from?

As you can tell from the video WTC 7.

war  posted on  2010-09-12   12:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: mcgowanjm (#26)

And why won't NIST release ANY pics,vids from the South side.

I'll need a link from the NIST stating that they won't.

That requested, enough video exists.

war  posted on  2010-09-12   12:05:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mcgowanjm (#26)

war  posted on  2010-09-12   12:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: war (#33)

Indict Photographer Steve Spak and Ground Zero Superintendent(WTF IS THAT!?;} Charlie Vichers

Two Floors 7(SS) and 12 (SEC). Fires not noticed til 4 pm.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#34)

Indict FDNY Robert LaRocco.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#33)

Nice shot of the HOLE in WTC 6. Any ideas of what can cause a massive hole where a building once stood? LMFAO

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: war (#33)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1suwmOgBfNM&feature=player_embedded

From this page. Note the number of views this pages WH CT sites are getting?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:48:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: war (#33)

see where the white smoke is ? see this building leaning,,,it's definitely coming down.

Hope that's Rastuccio. Can't find a pic of him.

Can't even google him for that matter.

Arrest who ever that guy is so we can find out who his boss is. ;}

And you can't see shit in that vid shown just previous.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: war (#33)

At 00:38

there's no way to stop it--'Cuzz you have to go up there to put it out and it's already...the, the, the, structural integrity is not there, in the building.

Lying Mother Fucker. Arrest his Lyin Ass now. Note the context change after 'already... multiple 'the's. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#33)

I think they said they had 7 to 10 flrs that were freestanding and they weren't going to send anyone in." FDNY Chief Thomas McCarthy

Arrest him now. So we can find out where he got this info.

Was this before they got Barry Jennings out or after?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: All (#40)

I saw the second explosion (off camera)

WTF? Some truth edging in here? Maybe.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:58:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: war (#33)

We can handle just about everything. but this's beyond...

Who IS this guy?

;}

Arrest him.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: mcgowanjm (#36) (Edited)

Any ideas of what can cause a massive hole where a building once stood?

Underneath the entire copmplex, including 6, was a shopping complex...also 6 was built over the PATH terminal and there was a portal up from PATH and, I think, the BMT trains to West Street and the bridge going over to WFC.

In other words, WTC 6 was built on top of a big hole.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   9:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: war (#33)

On the left, a vid still showing the kink in the E (mechaincal) penthouse. On the Right, the kink is recreated when column 79 is removed (simulating a failure).

Come on, war.

And Geithner/Bernanke/Blankfein have been simulating a Financial Rebound for 5 years. And we haven't gotten that either.

And who decided to 'remove' Column 79? And WTF is Column 79? In a vacuum. Not connected with anything else?

Loose Bolts give way? R U Serious?

Shouldn't EVERY Building's Col 79 be checked now? LMFAO Just Crazyland now.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#33)

Light shines thru building?

As the East Mechanical Penthouse drops first?

The Only way the E Mech Penthouse drops first is that EVERYTHING to the Basement has been blow away.

Free Fall.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war, All (#45)

Rapid Breaking of Columns Approx 7 floors buckle.

And the Columns 'rapidly broke' why?

The approx 7 floors 'buckle' why?

I really appreciate you finding this vid, war.

An indictment for everyone involved in it's making.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: All (#46)

NO SUDDEN ONSET

I didn't see that at first. It's down in the corner.

WTF!?

What's a sudden onset?

From the Time the Penthouse gives way to ground is what? less than 10 seconds? For a 40+ Floor Building?

Crazyland...

And then my hero Barry Jennings. Even with the Cut out. Barry contradicts the FDNY indicted ones from earlier in the vid. All of the Conversation is about all the explosions causing all of the damage before the FDNY pulls Barry out of a hole the FDNY 'made'(WTF!?;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: war, All (#47)

When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty seven stories. -FDNY Asst Chief Harry Myers

Arrest him.

Amazing how ALL of these folks have time to stand around giving interviews about a once in a lifetime event. And no photos/no videos of the South Side.

That NIST has released, anyway. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:19:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: war, All (#48)

At 1:41

Arrest Everyone quoted.

"When everyone heard that pancaking sound.."

Especially this guy. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: All (#49)

At 1:41

And I'll need to see the source of that "Illustrated Diagram".

Where did they get that info of the SOUTH SIDE.

Now.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: war, All (#50)

what fire did to WTC 5 [except it didn't have 40,000 t on it]

IN RED

Like that means something.

Tell me what that means, war.

WTF is WTC 5? A successful CD? Unlike WTC 7 with a dead SS Agent inside? 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mcgowanjm (#51) (Edited)

Do you understand how the WTC complex was set up? It went 6 stories UNDERGROUND and was built on what was once landfill...

The only ***thing*** you're convincing me of is that you'll take the word of the ignorant over the word of the informed.

To understand what happened at WTC you have to first understand WTC. Apparently, you don't.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   9:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mcgowanjm (#50)

And I'll need to see the source of that "Illustrated Diagram".

I asked you for a source on NIST.

I'm still waiting, btw.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   9:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: war, All (#51)

We spoke with a FDNY Chief who has his men holed up in the US Post Office

So finally we're at the end of this 'simulated event'.

And once again, we can't ever quite get to the source of the Engineering Major who JUST KNOWS in spite of the fact that NO SKYSCRAPER has EVER fallen due to fire,

That WTC 7 will be the THIRD building to do so.

ALWAYS and ANonymous Source saying the WTC 7's coming down. No one quoted surprised one bit. Like this happens all the time. Except they say it doesn't.

but they're calm enough to chat. Again, but not calm enough to get a few camera/vid shots of this ONCE IN A LIFETIME EVENT. please.

Arrest Everyone giving quotes at 1:48. Especially this guy. I want to personally interrogate this lying bastard:

"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a third of it, right in the middle of it."-Capt Chris Boyle.

How many inconsistencies can you find in this statement, war?

HUGE. SCATTERED. THIRD. MIDDLE. but ZERO photos/vid of same.

Just everyone standing around with their dicks in their hand wondering when:

And lookie here. After Nine years, Rastucci and I are the ONLY hits on this self incriminating piece.

TRULY AMAZIN' LMFAO James 8D # LF: Former Senator, Engineers Offer 'Proof' Of 9/11 Controlled ... You're blind. Where's all that smoke coming from out of the south Face? ... We're not talking about planes here and now. We're talking about the SOUTH ... Like Rastucci saying WTC7 was either going to come down on it's on or ... 1:33 Rastucci NYFD, announces he's a Co Conspirator to Brian Williams: ... www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=13014&Disp=16 #

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mcgowanjm (#54) (Edited)

And once again, we can't ever quite get to the source of the Engineering Major who JUST KNOWS in spite of the fact that NO SKYSCRAPER has EVER fallen due to fire,

Fire was but one contributor...massive explosions, buildionigs collapsing onto each other...the engineering was done by the people who carried the plan out...they got eactly what they wanted in 2001 what they had wanted in 1993.

Sorry, but your rebuttals have been nothing more than "Liar liar pants on fire."

Which is pretty much what Alex Jones has been saying for years with 0 evidence.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   9:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: All (#55)

"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a third of it, right in the middle of it."-Capt Chris Boyle.

How many inconsistencies can you find in this statement, war?

None.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   9:48:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: war (#53)

And I'll need to see the source of that "Illustrated Diagram".

I asked you for a source on NIST.

I'm still waiting, btw.

OMFG OK, to recap.

9 yrs ago cheney/SS/NORAD with Mossad filming ALL the way do 9-11 and PO/The War for Resources/US EMPIRE begins.

From Day 1 of Truthers questioning Bizarro World, you and yours are doing Everything to focus on Saddam/Al Qaeda and the Muslim World, which we ARE at War with, btw.

We want them as colonies. They don't. Simple, except for the Empire's deluded consumers aka citizens.

And you, war, have now crossed over into the World of yukon, MD, Goldi, et al. trying the 9 yr old tactic of sending me on a Source Hunt. Even as your NIST was created for the SOLE purpose of HIDING ANY and ALL info/pics/vids showing that the White House CT is the WEAKEST CT of them all.

I ain't playin', except to demand that NIST now release ANY and ALL vids/pics/info pertaining to 9-11.

You. Are . Deluded. And I'm tryin' to be nice. You give me that'yukon' bullshit, one more time , and I won't be.

Your call. James. My real name, war. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: war (#55)

Fire was but one contributor.

Good. Ok, but every pic shown has WTC 7 sustaining minimum damage and Barry Jennings detailing explosions. BEFORE WTC 1/2 are hit.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: war (#55)

massive explosions, buildionigs collapsing onto each other.

Again, massive explosions from where?

Source please.

buildings collapsing onto WTC7 from where? Again, I'll need a pic/vid SHOWING the South Side.

Like where did that diagram from your movie showing the damage come from?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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