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Title: Former Senator, Engineers Offer ‘Proof’ Of 9/11 Controlled Demolitions
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RAWSTORY
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/ ... rs-911-controlled-demolitions/
Published: Sep 10, 2010
Author: RAWSTORY
Post Date: 2010-09-10 11:18:32 by Brian S
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Views: 96801
Comments: 112
The nine-year-old body of 9/11 conspiracy theories includes many improbable (and sometimes contradictory) claims, everything from remote-controlled planes flying into the World Trade Center, to a missile hitting the Pentagon, to mass kidnappings of air passengers. But a group of more than 1,200 architects and engineers is building what it hopes is a scientifically sound argument about one 9/11 claim: That the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed not by fires caused by the airplane collisions, but by a controlled demolition. At a press conference in Washington DC, Thursday, the group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth offered evidence "that all three WTC skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, in NYC were destroyed by explosive controlled demolition." The third building the group referred to was World Trade Center 7, a skyscraper that collapsed about eight hours after the main WTC towers fell. For many 9/11 "truthers," WTC7's collapse despite not being hit by a plane is the "smoking gun" proving that something other than airplanes brought down the towers. The WTC7 collapse was not addressed in the official 9/11 Commission report. "That building fell completely into its own footprint," blogger Andrew Steele told WKTV in Utica. "You can watch on YouTube yourself and use your own common sense. Even if you don't have a scientific background ... if you have two eyes, you can see that fire alone did not bring down that building." His claims, and those of the 1,270 architects and engineers who have signed on to the effort, were bolstered by the support of former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, who said in a press release that "critically important evidence has come forward after the original government building reports were completed." Gravel has been concerned with the events of September 11, 2001, for some time now. He has called for an independent investigation into 9/11. "Unlike the first investigation, this commission should be granted subpoena power and full access to all governmental files and personnel," Gravel wrote. "George Bush should be forced to testify ALONE." San Francisco architect Richard Gage said the way the towers collapsed was consistent with a controlled demolition, not a chaotic structural collapse. "The official FEMA and NIST reports provide insufficient, contradictory, and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction," Gage said. "We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials." But Gage added that "government investigators at the NIST have been forced to acknowledge the free-fall descent, an indicting fact, after being presented with analysis by AE911Truth petition signers." On its Web site, the architects' and engineers' group lists facts that suggest explosives were used to take down the towers. -- Rapid onset of "collapse" WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e. Debunking9/11, a Web site devoted to disproving the claims of 9/11 "truthers," argues that no aircraft was needed to bring down WTC7, because "while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7." "Truthers" and debunkers have been arguing for years over whether the scant photographic evidence of WTC7's south side after the main towers' collapse shows enough damage to justify the building's collapse. "All the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit," Debunking9/11 asserts. "The others were either very short buildings which didn't have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them."
-- Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction
-- Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration
-- Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
-- Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
-- FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
-- Slow onset with large visible deformations
-- Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
-- High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed".
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#1. To: Brian S, mcgowanjm (#0)
Whoa Nelly!!
"Unlike the first investigation, this commission should be granted subpoena power and full access to all governmental files and personnel," Gravel wrote. "George Bush should be forced to testify ALONE." Whoa Nelly!! I'm all for that. But this CD stuff is moronic.
Tull Comes Home: "HI honey...I'm home..."Where have you been?" "Boinking my fellow moderator...now shut up and make me dinner..."
And then he needs to led out and hung, as an example to all current and future presidents.
"Look you leftist pervert, make sure you keep your Mr Winky away from your family's new addition or I will send some fellow salad tossers to square away your sorry butt. Got it??" The good "cop", Jethro Tull explaining how to prevent a Palin family tradition in YOUR family.
Sheesh, how many times does this bullshit 'controlled demolitions theory' have to be DEBUNKED? Good Lord, ya'll gotta get a grip on reality.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm......that'll be hilarious if you are relegated .......yet again....but this time for a Fed Stint.......to selling your bag of crystal meth etched bones to cellblock customers, skank:) What's more hilarious you stupid whore is you have not figured out that your post shows up with keywords bush and hung (calm down dwarf, boners and jerx...this isn't your chance to see how bush is hung) on even google. I do hope the SS stumbles on this:):)
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. Below is the latest Dwarf revelation: ...."the shorts and bibs I wear are of a carbon/lycra/nylon composition......and maaaaaannnnnn....just letting everybody know that makes my balls SWELL......I'm just tooooooo sexy for you all!!" ....Dwarf August 2010.............. And one from the bluehair 2-legged GPS "I always get the Carolinas mixed up for some reason." ......Fred Jerx (who will doubtless figure out the intricacy of that tricky "North / South" thing someday. Ahldoafewboners = the kind of person who can say absolutely nothing, and mean it.....aka Regurgitated Clown Floyd
hmmmmmmmmmmmm......that'll be hilarious if you are relegated .......yet again....but this time for a Fed Stint.......to selling your bag of crystal meth etched bones to cellblock customers, skank:) ...I do hope the SS stumbles on this:):) Deprived of her mental social services check, meth, Gilbey's, rusty mattress, and her drool-coated 8x10 glossy of 0bama's Commie azz...It'd be so much for her to give up....(sob, sniffle)
What's CD.
And then he needs to led out and hung, as an example to all current and future presidents. Cheney first. as an example to all current and future presidents. ;}
And I want Brent Scowcroft on why his E4B was circling the WH. And Poppy bush on what he did from 5pm to when he left the WH at 730. Barry Jennnings(whose death is still a mystery;}: i made it to the 6th floor there was an explosion beneath me The Fairy Tale and Magic: Inexperienced Muslim hijackers, armed only with knives and box-cutters, took control of four airliners, then outfoxed the world’s most sophisticated air defense system, then used two of these airliners to bring three skyscrapers down (indeed, straight down, in virtual free fall),140 and then, almost an hour later - when the US air defense system would have been on highest alert - flew a third one, undetected, from the mid-west back to Washington DC, where – thanks to heroic piloting by a man who had never before flown an airliner and who was, according to the New York Times, known as a “terrible pilot,” incapable of safely flying even a tiny plane – this third airliner went through an extremely difficult trajectory (even too difficult for them, said some experienced airline pilots) in order to strike the first floor of the Pentagon – surely the most well-protected building on the planet – without scraping the Pentagon lawn.
Controlled demolitions.
What's CD. #10. To: mcgowanjm (#7) What's CD. Controlled demolitions. Fred Mertz Thanx Fred. you're a fool, war. You believe in magic. You won't be able to understand what's happening to your life. And you'll become ignorant of it. Like this. You can't even think about how the FBI says Olson received ZERO calls from his wife on 9-11. That the parts of WTC7 burning were the Secret Service and the SEC Offices. That the Investigation of WHO shorted before 9-11 was stopped in it;s tracks. That the CIA using PROMIS/it's Iterations since can find said trades in real time. See High Frequency Trading/FrontRunning/Flash Crash for details.
Three Skyscrapers fall on 9-11. WTC7 violating ALL of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Never before. Never Since. With TWO planes. The THIRD, almost an HOUR later, 'hits' the most heavily defended fortress in World History as TWO AIRBORNE COMMAND Flying Pentagons Circle the WH and fly back from NYC. That's magic.
How is the evacuation of the Gulf Coast proceedeing, mcclown? Do you believe in magic?
Were you there? I was. And I know people who were. Including people who work for the PA and were in the buildings when you CD Moonbats claim that the charges were set. And I know fireman who worked that day and were pulled from 7 because the building was fully engulfed and unstable. A good portion of the South facade of WTC7 was destroyed by the impact of the falling buildings. The entire building was on fire.
You ***think*** a building collapsing from severe damage is order?
Were you there? I was. Here's the weak point in our relationship, war. And I now remember we've been here before. You were a street away or something. And, well, let me put up what you wrote: "Were you there? I was. And I know people who were. Including people who work for the PA and were in the buildings when you CD Moonbats claim that the charges were set. And I know fireman who worked that day and were pulled from 7 because the building was fully engulfed and unstable." The first is admissable. The second is hearsay. The PA is criminal enterprise. See asbestos $1 billion abatement. And putting a commercial enterprise on what should be a Memorial Gearden with STILL the remains of victims. Ghoulish Forever. Next. Thank you for the 'Moonbats' designation. I believe that's the first time you've made an ad hominem attack on me. Had to happen, I guess, as you insist on at least NINE Magic's happening in New York that day. Ex. How can the East Mechanical Penthouse on top of WTC 7 fall first, before the rest of the building. Working in Finance while believing in Magic is deadly, War. You should know that. You'll get your head handed to you. " the building was fully engulfed and unstable." Fires weren't reported til 4 PM. And NEVER before and NEVER since has a skyscraper been brought down by fire. And your 'friends' in the WTC7 are getting close to indictment. As Barry Jennings reported numerous explosions until he was pulled out. Barry Jennings death has still not been explained.
You ***think*** a building collapsing from severe damage is order? NIST, to this day refuses to release any pics/vids from the South side. And you'll need to source the severe damage. I've seen the fires on 7th floor-the SS offices. And 12th floor-the SEC offices. Both critical, but in a criminal way, not building physical. 8D Come on, war. Let me help you to the light.
Videos of Southside fully engulfed
Good Morning, war. Thanx for your quick response. And having that vid up and ready. ;} And that is the WEST side. SW side to be exact. You can see nothing of the South side due to the SMoke.from those two floors rising. FULLY ENGULFED? Not. And these are what kind of fires? Burning what? unless they're acetylene/ forced oxygen, you've got LESS thab what NIST claimed melted the other WTC's. Why build foundries if this is all you need to melt heat resistant(over 1500 degrees steel. More Science, Less Magic, war. And I still need those South Side pics/vids that NIST is holding back. Kinda criminal that. 8D
I worked at`1 Liberty Plaza which sustained severe damage from the collapse of the South Tower. I was standing on the corner of Liberty and Church when the second plane went in. Do you know where the South Tower was? The plane went in on the right of the building on the Liberty Street side . I know firemen, people who worked for the PA or a company based in every building and I know what I saw and experienced. I know a PA worker who survived the first bombing and died in the second. I saw and spoke with his widow yesterday. I know a PA worker who worked a 48 the weekend that you folks claim that the charges were set. He thinks you folks are Looney Tooons. My father in-law works for a property manager that contracts with the PA for ventilation repair. He worked in WTC7 the same weekend you claim the charges were set.
You're blind. Where's all that smoke coming from out of the south Face? As for burning what...the building had 100% occupancy...
I worked at`1 Liberty Plaza which sustained severe damage from the collapse of the South Tower. I was standing on the corner of Liberty and Church when the second plane went in. Do you know where the South Tower was? The plane went in on the right of the building on the Liberty Street side . Ok, and you said that lest anniversary too, I believe. I've got mechanics in the Basement of WTC N and Jennings IN the WTC7, saying multiple explosions, 50 ton presses disappearing in same. Next. We're not talking about planes here and now. We're talking about the SOUTH side of the WTC 7 NOT hit by a plane.
Me too. Like Rastucci saying WTC7 was either going to come down on it's on or be brought down. And NOT so amazingly, you can't FIND Rastucci in a google of WTC7. Like he's been scrubbed or something, eh, war? Had to go over to my other site, to pull this out. I'm sure you and your other White House Conspiracy Theorists will appreciate it: 8D " Minute 1:21 Brian Williams (and it's Ashley Bancroft, my bad;}: 'It's not unlike an active volcano'. I can't tell you how much time I spent arguing v the WH CT'ers on Pyroclastic Flow. And there's ONLY one way to get pyroclastic flow. shaped charges. OR there's a real live Volcano in Manhattan. ;} 1:33 Rastucci NYFD, announces he's a Co Conspirator to Brian Williams: "It would come down on it's own, or it would be taken down." Rastucci can be indicted now. JENNINGS: Many thanks. Mark Obenhaus, one of our senior producers on the phone, who saw the incident, describes it as a large plane, not sure what the color was, not sure the number of engines it had, which, in his mind--he's a very experienced reporter--reflects the speed and surprise with which this aircraft--this is the first one we're talking about now, just before 9:00--approached the World Trade Towers from the north, causing the first huge gap in the building. And Mark describes the plane being engulfed in some respects by the building. Didn't see wings fall off. Saw it go absolutely, totally, almost as he described it, into the building itself. The White House, of course, is--is--is--has leapt to the forefront of people's concern this morning. And there is a plane circling the White House at the moment. And they're clearing the grounds there. We have--that's a report which may be misleading in that it may presume an attack where as we just discovered a moment ago that what we had was an additional airplane in New York airspace was a security operation. I think probably most Americans know that there is no building in the country which is--which is heavily defended--I shouldn't say deemed secure--but...(network audio difficulties)...but a battery of anti-aircraft missiles on the top of the White House itself. Jennings above describing the TWO E4B Airborne Control Planes: One in DC, the other in NYC. Arrest them now. Brent Scowcroft/Poppy/ and No Pulse Cheney.
'We Folks' have had to do a lot more than claim. And it's only taken 9 years for me to find that Rastucci NYFD quote and vid. And I've been on this since CBS, MSM, et al REFUSED to put a camera live on WTC7 that fateful afternoon, even as CNN/BBC were airing LIVE shots of WTC7 'collapsed' 24 min before WTC7 fell! Even as the SAME live shots showed the WTC7 up and ok. But That just doesn't bother you, war, does it? And there's just a mountain of info/pics on NORAD STILL to this day not producing a coherent timeline(among other anomalies) that doesn't bother you as well. The Empire must be very good to you, war. ;} But less and less 'goodness' every day. Cause that's how Evil works, war. First, you get paid off. Second, you think Evil's gonna win. Third, that's as good as Evil will be for you. Fourth, you see your chains being forged.
History Channel ran a two hour program that totally and completely debunked every single 'Loose Change' claim...ALL FOUR VERSIONS of that inspid video conspiracy compliation. 9/11 Truthers are no different than any other kook religion at this point.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
EXACTLY, where IS that smoke coming from? And why won't NIST release ANY pics,vids from the South side. We know they have them. Who is NIST protecting war? And why won't you realize that smoke is rising from the TWO floors in the SW corner? And that there is Nothing available in the WTC 7 that in less than 4 hrs, can melt Fire Resistant steel. Nothing. And it takes at least a month to wire a building for CD, eh?
Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down." http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html
9/11 Truthers are no different than any other kook religion at this point. You're the 2nd I've seen refer to the History Ch as an Authority. Wrong. The HC can't even show an uncencored Zapruder Film. Like the WTC7 is the Zapruder Film of 9-11. Only CD could collapse the E Machanical Penthouse on top before the rest of the building falls. Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down." http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html
The Fairfax police public statement on the death made no reference to Marvin Bush, his address, or the videotape of the deceased employee with President Bush: "A 62-year-old Alexandria area woman died after being pinned between a rolling car and a building. The crash happened on Monday, around 9 pm, near the intersection of Fort Hunt Road and Edgehill Drive. Bertha Champagne had gone outside to get something from a car in a driveway. The car, which was left in gear, began to roll forward. Champagne was pinned between the car and a small building next to the driveway. The car continued to roll down the driveway, crossed Fort Hunt Road, and came to rest in a wooded area. Champagne was taken to Inova Mount Vernon Hospital where she was pronounced dead." In fact, an attempt by this editor to obtain the police report in 2003 was unsuccessful, the Fairfax police public affairs officer claiming that it was only releasable to the "Accident Reconstruction Team." Some observers wondered if Secret Service agents might have been able to assist Champagne when her car pinned her. According to the Secret Service in Washington, the agency only provides protection to presidential siblings if an Executive Order authorizes such action. A Secret Service spokesperson emphasized there was no current Secret Service protection for Marvin Bush at the time of Mrs. Champagne's death. meet the bush family Marvin P. Bush, the president's younger brother, was a principal in a .... with John Hinckley's brother the day after the Reagan Assassination attempt. ... www.iwilltryit.com/marvin1.htm - Cached - Similar The Bush Family-Growing Non stop as America dies since JFK's Assassination
And that's just shit slingin' there. 'kook' religion means you're an authority on religion. Which means that you have some kinda Special Relationship with god. Care to expound on that relationship,BE? Didn't think so. ;}
As you can tell from the video WTC 7.
I'll need a link from the NIST stating that they won't. That requested, enough video exists.
Indict Photographer Steve Spak and Ground Zero Superintendent(WTF IS THAT!?;} Charlie Vichers Two Floors 7(SS) and 12 (SEC). Fires not noticed til 4 pm.
Indict FDNY Robert LaRocco.
Nice shot of the HOLE in WTC 6. Any ideas of what can cause a massive hole where a building once stood? LMFAO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1suwmOgBfNM&feature=player_embedded From this page. Note the number of views this pages WH CT sites are getting?
Hope that's Rastuccio. Can't find a pic of him. Can't even google him for that matter. Arrest who ever that guy is so we can find out who his boss is. ;} And you can't see shit in that vid shown just previous.
there's no way to stop it--'Cuzz you have to go up there to put it out and it's already...the, the, the, structural integrity is not there, in the building. Lying Mother Fucker. Arrest his Lyin Ass now. Note the context change after 'already... multiple 'the's. 8D
Arrest him now. So we can find out where he got this info. Was this before they got Barry Jennings out or after?
WTF? Some truth edging in here? Maybe.
Who IS this guy? ;} Arrest him.
Underneath the entire copmplex, including 6, was a shopping complex...also 6 was built over the PATH terminal and there was a portal up from PATH and, I think, the BMT trains to West Street and the bridge going over to WFC. In other words, WTC 6 was built on top of a big hole.
Come on, war. And Geithner/Bernanke/Blankfein have been simulating a Financial Rebound for 5 years. And we haven't gotten that either. And who decided to 'remove' Column 79? And WTF is Column 79? In a vacuum. Not connected with anything else? Loose Bolts give way? R U Serious? Shouldn't EVERY Building's Col 79 be checked now? LMFAO Just Crazyland now.
As the East Mechanical Penthouse drops first? The Only way the E Mech Penthouse drops first is that EVERYTHING to the Basement has been blow away. Free Fall.
And the Columns 'rapidly broke' why? The approx 7 floors 'buckle' why? I really appreciate you finding this vid, war. An indictment for everyone involved in it's making.
I didn't see that at first. It's down in the corner. WTF!? What's a sudden onset? From the Time the Penthouse gives way to ground is what? less than 10 seconds? For a 40+ Floor Building? Crazyland... And then my hero Barry Jennings. Even with the Cut out. Barry contradicts the FDNY indicted ones from earlier in the vid. All of the Conversation is about all the explosions causing all of the damage before the FDNY pulls Barry out of a hole the FDNY 'made'(WTF!?;}
Arrest him. Amazing how ALL of these folks have time to stand around giving interviews about a once in a lifetime event. And no photos/no videos of the South Side. That NIST has released, anyway. 8D
Arrest Everyone quoted. "When everyone heard that pancaking sound.." Especially this guy. 8D
And I'll need to see the source of that "Illustrated Diagram". Where did they get that info of the SOUTH SIDE. Now.
IN RED Like that means something. Tell me what that means, war. WTF is WTC 5? A successful CD? Unlike WTC 7 with a dead SS Agent inside? 8D
Do you understand how the WTC complex was set up? It went 6 stories UNDERGROUND and was built on what was once landfill... The only ***thing*** you're convincing me of is that you'll take the word of the ignorant over the word of the informed. To understand what happened at WTC you have to first understand WTC. Apparently, you don't.
I asked you for a source on NIST. I'm still waiting, btw.
So finally we're at the end of this 'simulated event'. And once again, we can't ever quite get to the source of the Engineering Major who JUST KNOWS in spite of the fact that NO SKYSCRAPER has EVER fallen due to fire, That WTC 7 will be the THIRD building to do so. ALWAYS and ANonymous Source saying the WTC 7's coming down. No one quoted surprised one bit. Like this happens all the time. Except they say it doesn't. but they're calm enough to chat. Again, but not calm enough to get a few camera/vid shots of this ONCE IN A LIFETIME EVENT. please. Arrest Everyone giving quotes at 1:48. Especially this guy. I want to personally interrogate this lying bastard: "There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a third of it, right in the middle of it."-Capt Chris Boyle. How many inconsistencies can you find in this statement, war? HUGE. SCATTERED. THIRD. MIDDLE. but ZERO photos/vid of same. Just everyone standing around with their dicks in their hand wondering when: And lookie here. After Nine years, Rastucci and I are the ONLY hits on this self incriminating piece. TRULY AMAZIN' LMFAO James 8D # LF: Former Senator, Engineers Offer 'Proof' Of 9/11 Controlled ... You're blind. Where's all that smoke coming from out of the south Face? ... We're not talking about planes here and now. We're talking about the SOUTH ... Like Rastucci saying WTC7 was either going to come down on it's on or ... 1:33 Rastucci NYFD, announces he's a Co Conspirator to Brian Williams: ... www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=13014&Disp=16 #
Fire was but one contributor...massive explosions, buildionigs collapsing onto each other...the engineering was done by the people who carried the plan out...they got eactly what they wanted in 2001 what they had wanted in 1993. Sorry, but your rebuttals have been nothing more than "Liar liar pants on fire." Which is pretty much what Alex Jones has been saying for years with 0 evidence.
How many inconsistencies can you find in this statement, war? None.
I asked you for a source on NIST. I'm still waiting, btw. OMFG OK, to recap. 9 yrs ago cheney/SS/NORAD with Mossad filming ALL the way do 9-11 and PO/The War for Resources/US EMPIRE begins. From Day 1 of Truthers questioning Bizarro World, you and yours are doing Everything to focus on Saddam/Al Qaeda and the Muslim World, which we ARE at War with, btw. We want them as colonies. They don't. Simple, except for the Empire's deluded consumers aka citizens. And you, war, have now crossed over into the World of yukon, MD, Goldi, et al. trying the 9 yr old tactic of sending me on a Source Hunt. Even as your NIST was created for the SOLE purpose of HIDING ANY and ALL info/pics/vids showing that the White House CT is the WEAKEST CT of them all. I ain't playin', except to demand that NIST now release ANY and ALL vids/pics/info pertaining to 9-11. You. Are . Deluded. And I'm tryin' to be nice. You give me that'yukon' bullshit, one more time , and I won't be. Your call. James. My real name, war. ;}
Good. Ok, but every pic shown has WTC 7 sustaining minimum damage and Barry Jennings detailing explosions. BEFORE WTC 1/2 are hit.
Again, massive explosions from where? Source please. buildings collapsing onto WTC7 from where? Again, I'll need a pic/vid SHOWING the South Side. Like where did that diagram from your movie showing the damage come from?
The FBI. But I don't think they were involved in the Op of 9/11. Cause they failed in 93. 8D
Be nice.
You asked me for a source on the South Face of WTC7. You denied what everyone can see. The entire face is on fire. IN further compliance with your request, I posted several otehr videos showing the same thing including one with frefighters on scene. You also have denied what several firefighters are on record as stating about WTC 7. I can easily reach out to about a dozen firefighters right now who were there and have told me =the same thing aboutWTC 7: The South face had a gaping hole, they tried to set lines to get ito the buolding even trying to get access from the North. On the other hand, you've cited squat and I've asked you for ONE thing. I like you James and I'm willing to keep this civil. Whether it remains that way is up to you.
The planes crashing into the building...the energy created from impact of one massive structure into another., Sources You're talking to an eyewitness.
All of those pics show the North Face.
My rebuttals have been to the point. Here and for the last 9 years. Documenting your film for ex. You giving ZERO comments on same. A lotta effort needed I suppose. ;} " Which is pretty much what Alex Jones has been saying for years with 0 evidence." And I don't 'do' Alex Jones. I consider him to be off topic too many times. Try David Ray Griffin and the AE911truth site, along with Pilots for Truth, 911Bloggers, GeorgeWashington2. blogspot. And, of course, your own common sense. Two planes flew out of America the night of 9-11. One full of Bin Laden's Family. One Full of Jews to Israel. ;}
Exactly. With NONE being released showing the SOUTH SIDE. But ALl of your Firefighters seem to be having ALOT of time on their hands. Think they could've gotten a couple vids/pics done in that time?
What photographer was on site?
The planes crashing into the building...the energy created from impact of one massive structure into another., Sources You're talking to an eyewitness. Then like SO MANY eyewitnesses, your mempry is faulty. Like those Eyewitnesses who claim (ALL working for USAToday or the GAY Gannon/WH or miltary-and just WHERE is that VDOT film, eh?-just sayin';} a 757 went thru a 16 ft hole in the Pentagon? Please. The Energy created by what? The Thermate? or the Twice(3 times in your view) exploding kerosene? Again. No pics of South Side. Only liars declarations.
That's an extremely ill-advised statement. Time on their hands? They were trying to rescue people buried in the rubble including their fellow firemen.
What photographer was on site? And now I have to go and finds them? You can ask NIST. They seem to have been able to. I've put up an NBC/MSNBC vid. Showing the Lobby, outside portico of WTC7. But the crew never seems to imagine(or the film's been cut;} to pan up the side of the SOUTH side to show that MASSIVE, THIRD of The MIDDLE of the SCATTERED HOLE. Still waiting on NIST. It'll come. NEVER before 9-11 or after has a Skyscraper collapsed due to fire. Controlled Demolition/Free Fall.
You've offered absolutely nothing that impeaches the statements of those firemen. So I refer you back to my porevious observation that your rebuttals are nothing more than "Liar liar pants on fire." On a side note, you should PING Tull to this thread; this may be your admittance to 4um. They are all CDCT's over there.
No. It's. Not. You need to go back and look at that vid you posted. The guy's just casually describing how the NYFD can't do a thing about it. No problems, cause it's about to fall. YOU'RE GUY.
Please. # LF: Former Senator, Engineers Offer 'Proof' Of 9/11 Controlled ... You're blind. Where's all that smoke coming from out of the south Face? ... We're not talking about planes here and now. We're talking about the SOUTH ... Like Rastucci saying WTC7 was either going to come down on it's on or ... 1:33 Rastucci NYFD, announces he's a Co Conspirator to Brian Williams: ... www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=13014&Disp=16 #
None of the buildings collapsed in free fall speed. That myth was debunked fairly quickly.
No...in reality.
It's just you. and me. Here and now. Don't bring anything in but Sources and Vids. Or I'll start accusing you of trying to blur the issue. OK? ;}
No...in reality. Where the Most Realistic One wins. ;} MetaphorInVain: december 2008 - [ Translate this page ] "Keep your eye on that building, it's coming down" "Move it back here. .... Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it ... twoofersmysigapalats.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html - Cached See how that works, war? A source. Too bad. But eventually everyone has to take a side. But we can talk Finance if you want to agree on something. The PPT/Goldman/HFT/Flash Crashing and all. ;}
Yea so? Is it your position that the entire FDNY is in on the conspiracy and the several widows I know and spent some time with on Saturday are, in fact, not REALLY widows or that there husbands were the ones who refused to go along and even though they knew that 9/11 was a scam they went to WTC site that day anyway. Your responses are getting more bizarre.
That myth was debunked fairly quickly. Now you're arguement is in Epic Fail mode. Put up ANY vid in real time. 10 secs for TWO 110+/- Buildings is NOT Free Fall? Come on with your vid. Cause I'm going to get mine. ;}
You've linked me to a blog. I've posted several videos the contents of which you've absolutely denied what they are. So please don;t accuse me of not providing sources. I have. DIRECT sources. Not blogs. BTW, I cannot find where you posted an NBC/MSNBC video. Can you relinnk please.
Only from your POV. While it's only a he said/he said here. I'll need your source for why my responses are bizarre. Now your FDNY Guy here is bizarre: "There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a tyhird of it, right in the middle of it."-Capt Chris Boyle.
From a google of WTC7 South Side # New WTC 7 Video Posted on YouTube | 911Blogger.com Sep 8, 2010 ... WE STILL do not have south side close shots of WTC 7 despite a 2007 ... We may have the photos and videos of the south side of WTC 7 ... 911blogger.com/news/2010-09.../new-wtc-7-video-posted-youtube - Cached [PDF] TABLE OF CONTENTS - Appendix L File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Figure L–21 is an aerial view of WTC 7 after the collapse of WTC 1. There is no visible debris on the roof; some minor damage is seen on the south side at ... wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf - Similar
which one. source please.
911blogger.com
I saw and replied to the one. The contents of THAT ONE I put up as proof of HearSay and Lies. Because Everytime they try and match with reality, the best Your ONE Vid could do was a 'Dramatic Illustration'. Column 79?
And?
Oh, OK. So you didn't have time to peruse the Side bars fot the Latest on 9-11. And you provided the almost 900 views YouTube. Which I went thru quote by quote. Look above for the details. Refuting Everything offered. Even the Out of Context Barry Jenning's Quote. And btw, how did Barry Jennings die? ;} Just sayin'. "DIRECT sources. Not blogs." Thses two should work: # # New WTC 7 Video Posted on YouTube | 911Blogger.com Sep 8, 2010 ... WE STILL do not have south side close shots of WTC 7 despite a 2007 ... We may have the photos and videos of the south side of WTC 7 ... 911blogger.com/news/2010-09.../new-wtc-7-video-posted-youtube - Cached [PDF] TABLE OF CONTENTS - Appendix L File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Figure L–21 is an aerial view of WTC 7 after the collapse of WTC 1. There is no visible debris on the roof; some minor damage is seen on the south side at ... wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf - Similar
Here's local NBC. Heavily edited, BTW. http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-08/new-wtc-7-video-posted-youtube I'll be right back with the Ashley Bancroft/Brian Williams piece.
Weren't you the one who claimed thatr NIST wasn;t releasing any pics?
"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a tyhird of it, right in the middle of it."-Capt Chris Boyle. The source is me. And forgive the FDNY guy for not being a poet.
Almost there. ;} In the meantime. as you're looking at my youtube: "Just in: New vid released by NIST (Lyin Motherfuckers that they are/and this is heavily edited;}: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukO3hENZ9zA&feature=player_embedded When they show the burning floors of the WTC 7 re read this: Now, from an interview with Bob Weaver, the Assistant Special Agent in charge of the US Secret Service New York Field Office(WTC 7): At this point in the conversation, a colleague handed Weaver a picture of his former office in flames. "I can't believe this picture," he said, the tone of his voice lowering. "There are flames shooting out of my office. There is no other fire on that side of the building (the West Broadway side) but there is in my office. It's incredible. "I knew we lost everything in the attack, but I guess my friend wanted to be sure I didn't forget." That would be an interesting picture to see, I think. Cause there's the 'interesting pic. Shocked Roll Eyes Cool
Directions to 7 World Trade Center File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View Walk four blocks south on West Broadway to Barclay St. and one block west on Barclay to Greenwich St. City Hall - R, W Trains ... www.silversteinproperties.com/.../c71bc9ee-d66f-49fd-a542-8acc8f3237ce_directions-to-7-world-trade-center.pdf 'Pull it'.
Still workin' it! ;} Quote from: Zac on September 09, 2010, 03:04:38 PM 9 September 2010 John Young, architect for 37 years, thinks this group spreads technical nonsense but its initiative may lead to full release of WTC investigative findings. Their popular appeal is based on the USG's refusing to release full WTC investigative findings of 9/11 and the causes underlying the collapse of the buildings. Partial releases available at NIST have stimulated demands for full release. Along with many others, Cryptome has filed FOIA requests to NIST for WTC investigative findings which have been publicly acknowleged as existing but will not be released due to alleged threat to national security. Part of this threat appears to be due to the fact that many other buildings have vulnerabilities like those of the WTC structures and owners will not make corrections unless reimbursed by the USG. Thus AES911Truth may be underwritten by the real estate and insurance industries to extort funds from the USG, as have others since 911 now a booming industry of terrroism-victims-interest groups. Professional engineers and architects are complicit in this, some involved with WTC investigations, not only those associated with this group. Security measures are a classified racket among designers and security officials who shrewdly hide behind secrecy. Bear in mind that most architects, officials and not a few engineers are not technical wizards but highly skilled at promotion and pushing risky products for handsome fees, aided and abetted by industry lobbyists, mashed-up building codes and lax enforcement of licensing law, especially in big cities where the greatest profits come from dangerous structures. Saying this in public is termed "professional suicide," a bluff assisted by shady codes of ethics, sealed court records of failures and omnipresent national security cover-for-all-errors. http://cryptome.org/0002/1270-ae-fud.htm This argument is illogical. To withhold evidence that such buildings have vulnerabilities is illegal because it goes against the government's own building codes, especially if the same thing happens in another attack. For the same reason, claims of extortion are unfounded.
Tanx for the Memories!!!! " Re: Sept 9: 1,270 Architects Reveal Hard Evidence of Explosive Demolition at WTC « Reply #44 on: September 10, 2010, 10:13:29 AM » Reply with quoteQuote Modify messageModify And what I'll never forget from that day. I knew the importance of WTC7. Never before 9.11 had ANY skyscraper fallen due to fire. And going to work (I never should've done that, btw. just sayin) I missed the two WTC's imploding. but Dan Rather keeps sayin' that WTC 7's about to collapse. And I kept repeating. If WTC 7's about to collapse then why are we not watching it constant;y until it does. But Dan and everyone else were too busy elsewhere. Even as so amny people were hearing the countdown. Quote So, despite the fact that, even towards the end of the day, the fires in WTC 7 remained barely significant (from a fire engineering standpoint), the culprits finally made the decision to pull the plug on WTC 7 and rely on their formidable propaganda machinery to bulldoze any doubts that might arise. The conspirators couldn't logically wait any longer because a burgeoning army of firefighters and rescue workers had recovered from their shock and were descending on Ground Zero to begin the lengthy search and rescue effort that began that evening. For those who desperately needed the building destroyed, it was then or never and, in an effort to finally wrap things up, they put the demolition process in motion by clearing personnel from around the base of Building 7. Then, when they could wait no longer, they put an end to the spectacle at 5:25 PM, dropping Building 7 neatly within its footprint, an obvious controlled implosion so perfect it would have earned any demolition company a bonus.
This is a different issue. After 9/11, Der Rudenfuhrer Bullyannie ordered the NY Public libraries to close its blueprints section.
Nor did they on 9/11. You keep stating this as if it's supposed to have some sort of basis in fact. Fire contributed. Lassive destruction contributed.
You NEVER get the Official WH CT from the Believers of Magic. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20039 David Ray Griffin: Quote Inexperienced Muslim hijackers, armed only with knives and box-cutters, took control of four airliners, then outfoxed the world’s most sophisticated air defense system, then used two of these airliners to bring three skyscrapers down (indeed, straight down, in virtual free fall),140 and then, almost an hour later - when the US air defense system would have been on highest alert - flew a third one, undetected, from the mid-west back to Washington DC, where – thanks to heroic piloting by a man who had never before flown an airliner and who was, according to the New York Times, known as a “terrible pilot,” incapable of safely flying even a tiny plane – this third airliner went through an extremely difficult trajectory (even too difficult for them, said some experienced airline pilots) in order to strike the first floor of the Pentagon – surely the most well-protected building on the planet – without scraping the Pentagon lawn. What could discredit “the left” [Griffin lists the Apologists]more than the fact that you, some of its leading spokespersons, have endorsed such nonsense? The Scientific Status of the Two Conspiracy Theories. Actually, there is one thing that would be even more discrediting: If, after having it pointed out to you that at least nine miracles are implied by this story, you fail to renounce your former acceptance of it.
You NEVER get the Official WH CT from the Believers of Magic. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20039 David Ray Griffin: Quote Inexperienced Muslim hijackers, armed only with knives and box-cutters, took control of four airliners, then outfoxed the world’s most sophisticated air defense system, then used two of these airliners to bring three skyscrapers down (indeed, straight down, in virtual free fall),140 and then, almost an hour later - when the US air defense system would have been on highest alert - flew a third one, undetected, from the mid-west back to Washington DC, where – thanks to heroic piloting by a man who had never before flown an airliner and who was, according to the New York Times, known as a “terrible pilot,” incapable of safely flying even a tiny plane – this third airliner went through an extremely difficult trajectory (even too difficult for them, said some experienced airline pilots) in order to strike the first floor of the Pentagon – surely the most well-protected building on the planet – without scraping the Pentagon lawn. What could discredit “the left” [Griffin lists the Apologists]more than the fact that you, some of its leading spokespersons, have endorsed such nonsense? The Scientific Status of the Two Conspiracy Theories. Actually, there is one thing that would be even more discrediting: If, after having it pointed out to you that at least nine miracles are implied by this story, you fail to renounce your former acceptance of it.
And here it is: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=1KQA1KOKrPc&feature=related 9/11: WTC 7 "would be taken down" (MSNBC) http://il.youtube.com/user/Xenomorph911WTC
So what brought down WTC7 at Free Fall speed. Tell me the other WTC's did it. please.
They certainly contributed. And still, nothing you've provided supports your theories. They all "say" the same thing..."It couldn't have happened THAT way so it happned THIS way."
None of the towers nor WTC 7 fell at free fall speed...
When you eliminate the impossible, what you're left with is what happened. ;} Nothing is harder than to get someone to understand, when they're being paid not to understand.
None of the towers nor WTC 7 fell at free fall speed... My video says different. From Fox to CNN to MSNBC to BBC to every video of WTC7 falling. Count the seconds yourself. 7. That's freefall. Witht the East Mechanical Penthouse falling in first. Impossible except for like NYFD Rastucci: 'We're going to bring it down.'
WTC7 The Zapruder Film of 9-11 It won't go away. At Free Fall. http://il.youtube.com/user/Xenomorph911WTC
Did you mean: kevin mcpadden wtc7 red cross holding hand over radio took his hand off last few seconds Search Results 1. FDNY Lieutenant Admitted Plan To 'Take Down' WTC 7 Was Building 7 ... Dec 24, 2008 ... “But he took his hand off at the last three seconds and he gave this ... and then we had a couple of seconds to put our heads together,” said McPadden. ... Loading... Top Comment. +5. Margaret December 24, 2008 16:21:54 ... a plan to "take down" flight 93 over Pennsylvania with our own military if ... www.sodahead.com/united...to...wtc-7.../question-216530/?... - Cached YouTube - The Elephant In The Room:Kevin McPadden, 9/11-1st Responder Sep 26, 2007 ... Kevin Mcpadden a 9/11 first responder talks of his experience of the collapse of WTC 7. filmed at the world trade centre in New ... Told with a personal hands on approach that avoids advancing any one position, the film .... whos theŒ79; red cross rep.? and was he talkin about what he heard on a radio. ... www.youtube.com/watch?v=STbD9XMCOho - Cached - Similar
Arrest them all now: Search Results 1. 9/11 First Responder Heard WTC 7 Demolition Countdown - Former Air ... Volunteer EMT Indira Singh described to a radio show how she learned that WTC 7 ... forth in front of the crowd holding his hand over the radio - I couldn't hear what ... "But he took his hand off at the last three seconds and he gave this heartfelt ... McPadden's account, when added to the testimony of other first ... www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_40.htm - Cached VIDEO: FDNY Lieutenant Admitted Plan To 'Take Down' WTC 7 ... Sep 9, 2010 ... Emergency Medical Technician Indira Singh described to a radio show how she ... back and forth in front of the crowd holding his hand over the radio - I ... “But he took his hand off at the last three seconds and he gave this ... we had a couple of seconds to put our heads together,” said McPadden. ... justgetthere.us/.../VIDEO-FDNY-Lieutenant-Admitted-Plan-To-Take-Down-WTC-7.html - Cached - Similar
http://www.ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php? page=Freefall+Speed#7_Faster_and_Slower_ I'm out of this conversation...thanks...
The ENTIRE UNCUT Barry Jennings Interview: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2009/04/390576.shtml Uh, man the Office of Emergency Management at the World Trade Center 7. On the 23rd floor. As I arrived there, police are all in the lobby. They, uh, showed me the way to the elevator. We got up to the 23rd floor. Me and Mr. Hess who I didn't know was mr. Hess at the time. We couldn't get in. We had to go back down. Then, Security and the police took us to the down on thefreight elevators. When they took us back up, we did get in. As I told you earlier... INTERVIEWER: Yes. Upon arriving into the OEM EOC, we noticed that everybody was gone. I saw coffee thatwas on the desk. Still smoking. Smoke was still coming up from the coffee. I saw half-eaten sandwiches. And only me and Mr. Hess was up there. Uh, after I called several individuals, oneindividual told me that to "leave! Uh, and to leave right away." Then, Hess came running back in. He said: "We gotta get outta of here!" He found a stairwell. So we we subsequently went to the stairwell. And we were goingdownstairs. When we reached the eighth, uh, the sixth floor, the landing that we were standingon, gave way. There was an explosion. And the landing gave way. And when, I was left there hanging. I had to climb back up. And I had to walk back up the eighth floor. When I made it to the sixth floor [sic], and, and there was an explosion. That's what forced us back to the eighth floor. Both buildings were still standing because I looked two, one way and looked the other way and there's nothing there." You're a fool to believe the WH CT, war.
Good. Anytime. Good Luck on the rest of your life. James
A fake site. Shoulda known. For those interested, here's the REAL Architects & Engineers site. http://www.ae911truth.org/ LMFAO.
So what brought down WTC7 at Free Fall speed. None of the towers nor WTC 7 fell at free fall speed... You cannot look at a video and believe anything other than free fall. Count the seconds yourself. You can't get to 7 on WTC7.
"Unlike the first investigation, this commission should be granted subpoena power and full access to all governmental files and personnel," Gravel wrote. "George Bush should be forced to testify ALONE."
#2. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
#3. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
Whoa Nelly!!
#4. To: Brian S (#0)
#5. To: whiningskank, Liberator (#3)
And then he needs to led out and hung,
#6. To: e_type_jag (#5)
And then he needs to led out and hung,
#7. To: war (#2)
But this CD stuff is moronic.
#8. To: mininggold (#3)
#9. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
#10. To: mcgowanjm (#7)
What's CD.
#11. To: war, Fred Mertz, All (#7)
(Edited)
But this CD stuff is moronic.
#12. To: All (#11)
#13. To: mcgowanjm (#11)
You believe in magic.
#14. To: mcgowanjm (#11)
(Edited)
You're a o fool, war.
#15. To: mcgowanjm (#12)
(Edited)
WTC7 violating ALL of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
#16. To: war (#14)
You're a o fool, war.
#17. To: war (#15)
#18. To: mcgowanjm (#17)
(Edited)
NIST, to this day refuses to release any pics/vids from the South side.
#19. To: war (#18)
(Edited)
#20. To: mcgowanjm (#16)
You were a street away or something.
#21. To: mcgowanjm (#19)
FULLY ENGULFED?
#22. To: war (#20)
#23. To: war (#20)
(Edited)
I know firemen
#24. To: war (#20)
you folks claim
#25. To: Brian S (#0)
#26. To: war (#21)
You're blind. Where's all that smoke coming from out of the south Face?
#27. To: All (#26)
#28. To: Badeye (#25)
History Channel ran a two hour program that totally and completely debunked every single 'Loose Change' claim...ALL FOUR VERSIONS of that inspid video conspiracy compliation.
#29. To: All (#28)
Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.
#30. To: Badeye (#25)
9/11 Truthers are no different than any other kook religion at this point.
#31. To: mcgowanjm (#26)
EXACTLY, where IS that smoke coming from?
#32. To: mcgowanjm (#26)
And why won't NIST release ANY pics,vids from the South side.
#33. To: mcgowanjm (#26)
#34. To: war (#33)
#35. To: All (#34)
#36. To: war (#33)
#37. To: war (#33)
#38. To: war (#33)
see where the white smoke is ? see this building leaning,,,it's definitely coming down.
#39. To: war (#33)
At 00:38
#40. To: war (#33)
I think they said they had 7 to 10 flrs that were freestanding and they weren't going to send anyone in." FDNY Chief Thomas McCarthy
#41. To: All (#40)
I saw the second explosion (off camera)
#42. To: war (#33)
We can handle just about everything. but this's beyond...
#43. To: mcgowanjm (#36)
(Edited)
Any ideas of what can cause a massive hole where a building once stood?
#44. To: war (#33)
On the left, a vid still showing the kink in the E (mechaincal) penthouse. On the Right, the kink is recreated when column 79 is removed (simulating a failure).
#45. To: war (#33)
Light shines thru building?
#46. To: war, All (#45)
Rapid Breaking of Columns Approx 7 floors buckle.
#47. To: All (#46)
NO SUDDEN ONSET
#48. To: war, All (#47)
When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty seven stories. -FDNY Asst Chief Harry Myers
#49. To: war, All (#48)
At 1:41
#50. To: All (#49)
At 1:41
#51. To: war, All (#50)
what fire did to WTC 5 [except it didn't have 40,000 t on it]
#52. To: mcgowanjm (#51)
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#53. To: mcgowanjm (#50)
And I'll need to see the source of that "Illustrated Diagram".
#54. To: war, All (#51)
We spoke with a FDNY Chief who has his men holed up in the US Post Office
#55. To: mcgowanjm (#54)
(Edited)
And once again, we can't ever quite get to the source of the Engineering Major who JUST KNOWS in spite of the fact that NO SKYSCRAPER has EVER fallen due to fire,
#56. To: All (#55)
"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a third of it, right in the middle of it."-Capt Chris Boyle.
#57. To: war (#53)
And I'll need to see the source of that "Illustrated Diagram".
#58. To: war (#55)
Fire was but one contributor.
#59. To: war (#55)
massive explosions, buildionigs collapsing onto each other.
#60. To: war (#55)
.the engineering was done by the people who carried the plan out...they got eactly what they wanted in 2001 what they had wanted in 1993.
#61. To: mcgowanjm (#57)
#62. To: mcgowanjm (#57)
#63. To: mcgowanjm (#59)
(Edited)
Again, massive explosions from where?
#64. To: mcgowanjm (#58)
Good. Ok, but every pic shown has WTC 7 sustaining minimum damage
#65. To: war (#55)
Sorry, but your rebuttals have been nothing more than "Liar liar pants on fire."
#66. To: war (#64)
All of those pics show the North Face.
#67. To: mcgowanjm (#66)
Exactly. With NONE being released showing the SOUTH SIDE.
#68. To: war (#63)
#69. To: mcgowanjm (#66)
But ALl of your Firefighters seem to be having ALOT of time on their hands. Think they could've gotten a couple vids/pics done in that time?
#70. To: war (#67)
(Edited)
Exactly. With NONE being released showing the SOUTH SIDE.
#71. To: mcgowanjm (#68)
Again. No pics of South Side. Only liars declarations.
#72. To: war (#69)
That's an extremely ill-advised statement. Time on their hands?
#73. To: war (#71)
ou've offered absolutely nothing that impeaches the statements of those firemen.
#74. To: mcgowanjm (#70)
Free Fall.
#75. To: mcgowanjm (#73)
Please.
#76. To: war (#71)
On a side note, you should PING Tull to this thread; this may be your admittance to 4um. They are all CDCT's over there.
#77. To: war (#75)
Please.
#78. To: mcgowanjm (#72)
The guy's just casually describing how the NYFD can't do a thing about it.
#79. To: war, All (#74)
None of the buildings collapsed in free fall speed.
#80. To: mcgowanjm (#77)
(Edited)
ee how that works, war? A source.
#81. To: war (#78)
Your responses are getting more bizarre.
#82. To: war (#80)
#83. To: war (#80)
You've linked me to a blog.
#84. To: mcgowanjm (#83)
#85. To: war (#80)
I've posted several videos the contents of which you've absolutely denied what they are.
#86. To: war (#84)
911blogger.com
#87. To: war (#80)
So please don;t accuse me of not providing sources. I have. DIRECT sources. Not blogs.
#88. To: war (#80)
BTW, I cannot find where you posted an NBC/MSNBC video. Can you relinnk please.
#89. To: mcgowanjm (#87)
wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf
#90. To: mcgowanjm (#81)
I'll need your source for why my responses are bizarre. Now your FDNY Guy here is bizarre:
#91. To: All (#88)
I'll be right back with the Ashley Bancroft/Brian Williams piece.
#92. To: All (#91)
Closer:
#93. To: war, All (#92)
#94. To: All (#93)
#95. To: mcgowanjm (#93)
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#96. To: mcgowanjm (#94)
I knew the importance of WTC7. Never before 9.11 had ANY skyscraper fallen due to fire.
#97. To: war (#96)
#98. To: war (#96)
#99. To: war (#96)
#100. To: war (#96)
Nor did they on 9/11.
#101. To: mcgowanjm (#100)
Tell me the other WTC's did it. please.
#102. To: mcgowanjm (#100)
(Edited)
So what brought down WTC7 at Free Fall speed.
#103. To: war (#101)
And still, nothing you've provided supports your theories. They all "say" the same thing..."It couldn't have happened THAT way so it happned THIS way."
#104. To: war (#102)
#105. To: All (#104)
#106. To: All (#105)
#107. To: war, All (#106)
#108. To: mcgowanjm (#105)
#109. To: war, All (#107)
#110. To: war (#108)
I'm out of this conversation...thanks...
#111. To: war, All (#108)
#112. To: war, All (#102)
To: mcgowanjm
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