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Title: Former Senator, Engineers Offer ‘Proof’ Of 9/11 Controlled Demolitions
Source: RAWSTORY
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/ ... rs-911-controlled-demolitions/
Published: Sep 10, 2010
Author: RAWSTORY
Post Date: 2010-09-10 11:18:32 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 96734
Comments: 112

The nine-year-old body of 9/11 conspiracy theories includes many improbable (and sometimes contradictory) claims, everything from remote-controlled planes flying into the World Trade Center, to a missile hitting the Pentagon, to mass kidnappings of air passengers.

But a group of more than 1,200 architects and engineers is building what it hopes is a scientifically sound argument about one 9/11 claim: That the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed not by fires caused by the airplane collisions, but by a controlled demolition.

At a press conference in Washington DC, Thursday, the group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth offered evidence "that all three WTC skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, in NYC were destroyed by explosive controlled demolition."

The third building the group referred to was World Trade Center 7, a skyscraper that collapsed about eight hours after the main WTC towers fell. For many 9/11 "truthers," WTC7's collapse despite not being hit by a plane is the "smoking gun" proving that something other than airplanes brought down the towers. The WTC7 collapse was not addressed in the official 9/11 Commission report.

"That building fell completely into its own footprint," blogger Andrew Steele told WKTV in Utica. "You can watch on YouTube yourself and use your own common sense. Even if you don't have a scientific background ... if you have two eyes, you can see that fire alone did not bring down that building."

His claims, and those of the 1,270 architects and engineers who have signed on to the effort, were bolstered by the support of former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, who said in a press release that "critically important evidence has come forward after the original government building reports were completed."

Gravel has been concerned with the events of September 11, 2001, for some time now. He has called for an independent investigation into 9/11.

"Unlike the first investigation, this commission should be granted subpoena power and full access to all governmental files and personnel," Gravel wrote. "George Bush should be forced to testify ALONE."

San Francisco architect Richard Gage said the way the towers collapsed was consistent with a controlled demolition, not a chaotic structural collapse.

"The official FEMA and NIST reports provide insufficient, contradictory, and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction," Gage said. "We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials."

But Gage added that "government investigators at the NIST have been forced to acknowledge the free-fall descent, an indicting fact, after being presented with analysis by AE911Truth petition signers."

On its Web site, the architects' and engineers' group lists facts that suggest explosives were used to take down the towers.

-- Rapid onset of "collapse"
-- Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction
-- Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration
-- Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
-- Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
-- FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
-- Slow onset with large visible deformations
-- Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
-- High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed".

Debunking9/11, a Web site devoted to disproving the claims of 9/11 "truthers," argues that no aircraft was needed to bring down WTC7, because "while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7."

"Truthers" and debunkers have been arguing for years over whether the scant photographic evidence of WTC7's south side after the main towers' collapse shows enough damage to justify the building's collapse.

"All the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit," Debunking9/11 asserts. "The others were either very short buildings which didn't have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them."

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#41. To: All (#40)

I saw the second explosion (off camera)

WTF? Some truth edging in here? Maybe.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:58:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: war (#33)

We can handle just about everything. but this's beyond...

Who IS this guy?

;}

Arrest him.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   8:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: mcgowanjm (#36) (Edited)

Any ideas of what can cause a massive hole where a building once stood?

Underneath the entire copmplex, including 6, was a shopping complex...also 6 was built over the PATH terminal and there was a portal up from PATH and, I think, the BMT trains to West Street and the bridge going over to WFC.

In other words, WTC 6 was built on top of a big hole.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   9:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: war (#33)

On the left, a vid still showing the kink in the E (mechaincal) penthouse. On the Right, the kink is recreated when column 79 is removed (simulating a failure).

Come on, war.

And Geithner/Bernanke/Blankfein have been simulating a Financial Rebound for 5 years. And we haven't gotten that either.

And who decided to 'remove' Column 79? And WTF is Column 79? In a vacuum. Not connected with anything else?

Loose Bolts give way? R U Serious?

Shouldn't EVERY Building's Col 79 be checked now? LMFAO Just Crazyland now.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#33)

Light shines thru building?

As the East Mechanical Penthouse drops first?

The Only way the E Mech Penthouse drops first is that EVERYTHING to the Basement has been blow away.

Free Fall.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war, All (#45)

Rapid Breaking of Columns Approx 7 floors buckle.

And the Columns 'rapidly broke' why?

The approx 7 floors 'buckle' why?

I really appreciate you finding this vid, war.

An indictment for everyone involved in it's making.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: All (#46)

NO SUDDEN ONSET

I didn't see that at first. It's down in the corner.

WTF!?

What's a sudden onset?

From the Time the Penthouse gives way to ground is what? less than 10 seconds? For a 40+ Floor Building?

Crazyland...

And then my hero Barry Jennings. Even with the Cut out. Barry contradicts the FDNY indicted ones from earlier in the vid. All of the Conversation is about all the explosions causing all of the damage before the FDNY pulls Barry out of a hole the FDNY 'made'(WTF!?;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: war, All (#47)

When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty seven stories. -FDNY Asst Chief Harry Myers

Arrest him.

Amazing how ALL of these folks have time to stand around giving interviews about a once in a lifetime event. And no photos/no videos of the South Side.

That NIST has released, anyway. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:19:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: war, All (#48)

At 1:41

Arrest Everyone quoted.

"When everyone heard that pancaking sound.."

Especially this guy. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: All (#49)

At 1:41

And I'll need to see the source of that "Illustrated Diagram".

Where did they get that info of the SOUTH SIDE.

Now.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: war, All (#50)

what fire did to WTC 5 [except it didn't have 40,000 t on it]

IN RED

Like that means something.

Tell me what that means, war.

WTF is WTC 5? A successful CD? Unlike WTC 7 with a dead SS Agent inside? 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mcgowanjm (#51) (Edited)

Do you understand how the WTC complex was set up? It went 6 stories UNDERGROUND and was built on what was once landfill...

The only ***thing*** you're convincing me of is that you'll take the word of the ignorant over the word of the informed.

To understand what happened at WTC you have to first understand WTC. Apparently, you don't.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   9:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mcgowanjm (#50)

And I'll need to see the source of that "Illustrated Diagram".

I asked you for a source on NIST.

I'm still waiting, btw.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   9:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: war, All (#51)

We spoke with a FDNY Chief who has his men holed up in the US Post Office

So finally we're at the end of this 'simulated event'.

And once again, we can't ever quite get to the source of the Engineering Major who JUST KNOWS in spite of the fact that NO SKYSCRAPER has EVER fallen due to fire,

That WTC 7 will be the THIRD building to do so.

ALWAYS and ANonymous Source saying the WTC 7's coming down. No one quoted surprised one bit. Like this happens all the time. Except they say it doesn't.

but they're calm enough to chat. Again, but not calm enough to get a few camera/vid shots of this ONCE IN A LIFETIME EVENT. please.

Arrest Everyone giving quotes at 1:48. Especially this guy. I want to personally interrogate this lying bastard:

"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a third of it, right in the middle of it."-Capt Chris Boyle.

How many inconsistencies can you find in this statement, war?

HUGE. SCATTERED. THIRD. MIDDLE. but ZERO photos/vid of same.

Just everyone standing around with their dicks in their hand wondering when:

And lookie here. After Nine years, Rastucci and I are the ONLY hits on this self incriminating piece.

TRULY AMAZIN' LMFAO James 8D # LF: Former Senator, Engineers Offer 'Proof' Of 9/11 Controlled ... You're blind. Where's all that smoke coming from out of the south Face? ... We're not talking about planes here and now. We're talking about the SOUTH ... Like Rastucci saying WTC7 was either going to come down on it's on or ... 1:33 Rastucci NYFD, announces he's a Co Conspirator to Brian Williams: ... www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=13014&Disp=16 #

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   9:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mcgowanjm (#54) (Edited)

And once again, we can't ever quite get to the source of the Engineering Major who JUST KNOWS in spite of the fact that NO SKYSCRAPER has EVER fallen due to fire,

Fire was but one contributor...massive explosions, buildionigs collapsing onto each other...the engineering was done by the people who carried the plan out...they got eactly what they wanted in 2001 what they had wanted in 1993.

Sorry, but your rebuttals have been nothing more than "Liar liar pants on fire."

Which is pretty much what Alex Jones has been saying for years with 0 evidence.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   9:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: All (#55)

"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a third of it, right in the middle of it."-Capt Chris Boyle.

How many inconsistencies can you find in this statement, war?

None.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   9:48:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: war (#53)

And I'll need to see the source of that "Illustrated Diagram".

I asked you for a source on NIST.

I'm still waiting, btw.

OMFG OK, to recap.

9 yrs ago cheney/SS/NORAD with Mossad filming ALL the way do 9-11 and PO/The War for Resources/US EMPIRE begins.

From Day 1 of Truthers questioning Bizarro World, you and yours are doing Everything to focus on Saddam/Al Qaeda and the Muslim World, which we ARE at War with, btw.

We want them as colonies. They don't. Simple, except for the Empire's deluded consumers aka citizens.

And you, war, have now crossed over into the World of yukon, MD, Goldi, et al. trying the 9 yr old tactic of sending me on a Source Hunt. Even as your NIST was created for the SOLE purpose of HIDING ANY and ALL info/pics/vids showing that the White House CT is the WEAKEST CT of them all.

I ain't playin', except to demand that NIST now release ANY and ALL vids/pics/info pertaining to 9-11.

You. Are . Deluded. And I'm tryin' to be nice. You give me that'yukon' bullshit, one more time , and I won't be.

Your call. James. My real name, war. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: war (#55)

Fire was but one contributor.

Good. Ok, but every pic shown has WTC 7 sustaining minimum damage and Barry Jennings detailing explosions. BEFORE WTC 1/2 are hit.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: war (#55)

massive explosions, buildionigs collapsing onto each other.

Again, massive explosions from where?

Source please.

buildings collapsing onto WTC7 from where? Again, I'll need a pic/vid SHOWING the South Side.

Like where did that diagram from your movie showing the damage come from?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: war (#55)

.the engineering was done by the people who carried the plan out...they got eactly what they wanted in 2001 what they had wanted in 1993.

The FBI.

But I don't think they were involved in the Op of 9/11.

Cause they failed in 93. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: mcgowanjm (#57)

Be nice.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-09-13   10:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: mcgowanjm (#57)

You asked me for a source on the South Face of WTC7. You denied what everyone can see. The entire face is on fire. IN further compliance with your request, I posted several otehr videos showing the same thing including one with frefighters on scene. You also have denied what several firefighters are on record as stating about WTC 7. I can easily reach out to about a dozen firefighters right now who were there and have told me =the same thing aboutWTC 7: The South face had a gaping hole, they tried to set lines to get ito the buolding even trying to get access from the North.

On the other hand, you've cited squat and I've asked you for ONE thing.

I like you James and I'm willing to keep this civil. Whether it remains that way is up to you.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   10:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: mcgowanjm (#59) (Edited)

Again, massive explosions from where?

The planes crashing into the building...the energy created from impact of one massive structure into another.,

Sources

You're talking to an eyewitness.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   10:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: mcgowanjm (#58)

Good. Ok, but every pic shown has WTC 7 sustaining minimum damage

All of those pics show the North Face.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   10:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: war (#55)

Sorry, but your rebuttals have been nothing more than "Liar liar pants on fire."

My rebuttals have been to the point. Here and for the last 9 years.

Documenting your film for ex. You giving ZERO comments on same.

A lotta effort needed I suppose. ;}

" Which is pretty much what Alex Jones has been saying for years with 0 evidence."

And I don't 'do' Alex Jones. I consider him to be off topic too many times.

Try David Ray Griffin and the AE911truth site, along with Pilots for Truth, 911Bloggers, GeorgeWashington2. blogspot.

And, of course, your own common sense. Two planes flew out of America the night of 9-11.

One full of Bin Laden's Family. One Full of Jews to Israel.

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: war (#64)

All of those pics show the North Face.

Exactly. With NONE being released showing the SOUTH SIDE.

But ALl of your Firefighters seem to be having ALOT of time on their hands. Think they could've gotten a couple vids/pics done in that time?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mcgowanjm (#66)

Exactly. With NONE being released showing the SOUTH SIDE.

What photographer was on site?

war  posted on  2010-09-13   10:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: war (#63)

The planes crashing into the building...the energy created from impact of one massive structure into another.,

Sources

You're talking to an eyewitness.

Then like SO MANY eyewitnesses, your mempry is faulty.

Like those Eyewitnesses who claim (ALL working for USAToday or the GAY Gannon/WH or miltary-and just WHERE is that VDOT film, eh?-just sayin';} a 757 went thru a 16 ft hole in the Pentagon?

Please. The Energy created by what? The Thermate? or the Twice(3 times in your view) exploding kerosene?

Again. No pics of South Side. Only liars declarations.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: mcgowanjm (#66)

But ALl of your Firefighters seem to be having ALOT of time on their hands. Think they could've gotten a couple vids/pics done in that time?

That's an extremely ill-advised statement. Time on their hands? They were trying to rescue people buried in the rubble including their fellow firemen.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   10:31:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: war (#67) (Edited)

Exactly. With NONE being released showing the SOUTH SIDE.

What photographer was on site?

And now I have to go and finds them?

You can ask NIST. They seem to have been able to.

I've put up an NBC/MSNBC vid. Showing the Lobby, outside portico of WTC7.

But the crew never seems to imagine(or the film's been cut;} to pan up the side of the SOUTH side to show that MASSIVE, THIRD of The MIDDLE of the SCATTERED HOLE.

Still waiting on NIST. It'll come.

NEVER before 9-11 or after has a Skyscraper collapsed due to fire.

Controlled Demolition/Free Fall.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: mcgowanjm (#68)

Again. No pics of South Side. Only liars declarations.

You've offered absolutely nothing that impeaches the statements of those firemen.

So I refer you back to my porevious observation that your rebuttals are nothing more than "Liar liar pants on fire."

On a side note, you should PING Tull to this thread; this may be your admittance to 4um. They are all CDCT's over there.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   10:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: war (#69)

That's an extremely ill-advised statement. Time on their hands?

No. It's. Not.

You need to go back and look at that vid you posted.

The guy's just casually describing how the NYFD can't do a thing about it. No problems, cause it's about to fall.

YOU'RE GUY.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: war (#71)

ou've offered absolutely nothing that impeaches the statements of those firemen.

Please.

# LF: Former Senator, Engineers Offer 'Proof' Of 9/11 Controlled ... You're blind. Where's all that smoke coming from out of the south Face? ... We're not talking about planes here and now. We're talking about the SOUTH ... Like Rastucci saying WTC7 was either going to come down on it's on or ... 1:33 Rastucci NYFD, announces he's a Co Conspirator to Brian Williams: ... www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=13014&Disp=16 #

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: mcgowanjm (#70)

Free Fall.

None of the buildings collapsed in free fall speed.

That myth was debunked fairly quickly.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   10:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: mcgowanjm (#73)

Please.

No...in reality.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   10:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: war (#71)

On a side note, you should PING Tull to this thread; this may be your admittance to 4um. They are all CDCT's over there.

It's just you. and me. Here and now.

Don't bring anything in but Sources and Vids.

Or I'll start accusing you of trying to blur the issue.

OK? ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#75)

Please.

No...in reality.

Where the Most Realistic One wins.

;}

MetaphorInVain: december 2008 - [ Translate this page ] "Keep your eye on that building, it's coming down" "Move it back here. .... Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it ... twoofersmysigapalats.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html - Cached

See how that works, war? A source.

Too bad. But eventually everyone has to take a side.

But we can talk Finance if you want to agree on something. The PPT/Goldman/HFT/Flash Crashing and all. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: mcgowanjm (#72)

The guy's just casually describing how the NYFD can't do a thing about it.

Yea so?

Is it your position that the entire FDNY is in on the conspiracy and the several widows I know and spent some time with on Saturday are, in fact, not REALLY widows or that there husbands were the ones who refused to go along and even though they knew that 9/11 was a scam they went to WTC site that day anyway.

Your responses are getting more bizarre.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   10:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: war, All (#74)

None of the buildings collapsed in free fall speed.

That myth was debunked fairly quickly.

Now you're arguement is in Epic Fail mode.

Put up ANY vid in real time. 10 secs for TWO 110+/- Buildings is NOT Free Fall?

Come on with your vid. Cause I'm going to get mine. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-13   10:42:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: mcgowanjm (#77) (Edited)

ee how that works, war? A source.

You've linked me to a blog.

I've posted several videos the contents of which you've absolutely denied what they are. So please don;t accuse me of not providing sources. I have. DIRECT sources. Not blogs.

BTW, I cannot find where you posted an NBC/MSNBC video. Can you relinnk please.

war  posted on  2010-09-13   10:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: war (#78)

Your responses are getting more bizarre.

Only from your POV. While it's only a he said/he said here.

I'll need your source for why my responses are bizarre. Now your FDNY Guy here is bizarre:

"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a tyhird of it, right in the middle of it."-Capt Chris Boyle.

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