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Title: As a scientist I'm certain Stephen Hawking is wrong. You can't explain the universe without God
Source: Daily Mail
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Published: Sep 7, 2010
Author: Professor John Lennox
Post Date: 2010-09-07 22:49:37 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 51374
Comments: 71

There's no denying that Stephen Hawking is intellectually bold as well as physically heroic. And in his latest book, the renowned physicist mounts an audacious challenge to the traditional religious belief in the divine creation of the universe.

According to Hawking, the laws of physics, not the will of God, provide the real explanation as to how life on Earth came into being. The Big Bang, he argues, was the inevitable consequence of these laws 'because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.'

Unfortunately, while Hawking's argument is being hailed as controversial and ground-breaking, it is hardly new.

For years, other scientists have made similar claims, maintaining that the awesome, sophisticated creativity of the world around us can be interpreted solely by reference to physical laws such as gravity.

It is a simplistic approach, yet in our secular age it is one that seems to have resonance with a sceptical public.

But, as both a scientist and a Christian, I would say that Hawking's claim is misguided. He asks us to choose between God and the laws of physics, as if they were necessarily in mutual conflict.

But contrary to what Hawking claims, physical laws can never provide a complete explanation of the universe. Laws themselves do not create anything, they are merely a description of what happens under certain conditions.

What Hawking appears to have done is to confuse law with agency. His call on us to choose between God and physics is a bit like someone demanding that we choose between aeronautical engineer Sir Frank Whittle and the laws of physics to explain the jet engine.

That is a confusion of category. The laws of physics can explain how the jet engine works, but someone had to build the thing, put in the fuel and start it up. The jet could not have been created without the laws of physics on their own - but the task of development and creation needed the genius of Whittle as its agent.

Similarly, the laws of physics could never have actually built the universe. Some agency must have been involved.

To use a simple analogy, Isaac Newton's laws of motion in themselves never sent a snooker ball racing across the green baize. That can only be done by people using a snooker cue and the actions of their own arms.

Hawking's argument appears to me even more illogical when he says the existence of gravity means the creation of the universe was inevitable. But how did gravity exist in the first place? Who put it there? And what was the creative force behind its birth?

Similarly, when Hawking argues, in support of his theory of spontaneous creation, that it was only necessary for 'the blue touch paper' to be lit to 'set the universe going', the question must be: where did this blue touch paper come from? And who lit it, if not God?

Much of the rationale behind Hawking's argument lies in the idea that there is a deep-seated conflict between science and religion. But this is not a discord I recognise.

For me, as a Christian believer, the beauty of the scientific laws only reinforces my faith in an intelligent, divine creative force at work. The more I understand science, the more I believe in God because of my wonder at the breadth, sophistication and integrity of his creation.

The very reason science flourished so vigorously in the 16th and 17th centuries was precisely because of the belief that the laws of nature which were then being discovered and defined reflected the influence of a divine law-giver.

One of the fundamental themes of Christianity is that the universe was built according to a rational , intelligent design. Far from being at odds with science, the Christian faith actually makes perfect scientific sense.

Some years ago, the scientist Joseph Needham made an epic study of technological development in China. He wanted to find out why China, for all its early gifts of innovation, had fallen so far behind Europe in the advancement of science.

He reluctantly came to the conclusion that European science had been spurred on by the widespread belief in a rational creative force, known as God, which made all scientific laws comprehensible.

Despite this, Hawking, like so many other critics of religion, wants us to believe we are nothing but a random collection of molecules, the end product of a mindless process.

This, if true, would undermine the very rationality we need to study science. If the brain were really the result of an unguided process, then there is no reason to believe in its capacity to tell us the truth.

We live in an information age. When we see a few letters of the alphabet spelling our name in the sand, our immediate response is to recognise the work of an intelligent agent. How much more likely, then, is an intelligent creator behind the human DNA, the colossal biological database that contains no fewer than 3.5 billion 'letters'?

It is fascinating that Hawking, in attacking religion, feels compelled to put so much emphasis on the Big Bang theory. Because, even if the non-believers don't like it, the Big Bang fits in exactly with the Christian narrative of creation.

That is why, before the Big Bang gained currency, so many scientists were keen to dismiss it, since it seemed to support the Bible story. Some clung to Aristotle's view of the 'eternal universe' without beginning or end; but this theory, and later variants of it, are now deeply discredited.

But support for the existence of God moves far beyond the realm of science. Within the Christian faith, there is also the powerful evidence that God revealed himself to mankind through Jesus Christ two millennia ago. This is well-documented not just in the scriptures and other testimony but also in a wealth of archaeological findings.

Moreover, the religious experiences of millions of believers cannot lightly be dismissed. I myself and my own family can testify to the uplifting influence faith has had on our lives, something which defies the idea we are nothing more than a random collection of molecules.

Just as strong is the obvious reality that we are moral beings, capable of understanding the difference between right and wrong. There is no scientific route to such ethics.

Physics cannot inspire our concern for others, or the spirit of altruism that has existed in human societies since the dawn of time.

The existence of a common pool of moral values points to the existence of transcendent force beyond mere scientific laws. Indeed, the message of atheism has always been a curiously depressing one, portraying us as selfish creatures bent on nothing more than survival and self-gratification.

Hawking also thinks that the potential existence of other lifeforms in the universe undermines the traditional religious conviction that we are living on a unique, God-created planet. But there is no proof that other lifeforms are out there, and Hawking certainly does not present any.

It always amuses me that atheists often argue for the existence of extra-terrestrial intelligence beyond earth. Yet they are only too eager to denounce the possibility that we already have a vast, intelligent being out there: God.

Hawking's new fusillade cannot shake the foundations of a faith that is based on evidence.

God's Undertaker: Has science Buried God? by John Lennox is out now (Lion Hudson, £8.99).

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#32. To: A K A Stone (#31)

The new Star Trek movie was phenomenal.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

war  posted on  2010-09-08   21:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: war (#32)

I saw it and liked it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-08   21:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#31)

I think I remember tv more as a teen, and the heart throbs then...gawd, we were soooo fickle...

The High Chaparral (western series) was my all time love, and Monolito was my pick out of bunch.

"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus

Murron  posted on  2010-09-08   21:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#28)

Tag lines !

whattzzah a tag line !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2010-09-08   21:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Murron (#34)

High Chaparral

Never heard of it. Just cheked netflix and they don't seem to have it either.

Recently got netflix and I like it. Lots of instant streaming TV shows and movies. Worth the 13.88 a month.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-08   21:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)

Recently got netflix and I like it. Lots of instant streaming TV shows and movies. Worth the 13.88 a month.

Now that's really saying something when Nexflix doesn't have it, they're famous for having almost any film you're looking for, especially classics, but if I can get what I'm looking for for free, that save me a bundle.

Do you download to any torrent software from torrent sites, it's peer to peer, the more seeds there are, the faster your download, that is one of my favorites ways to find very old, silent films. The best torrent to use is uTorrent, it's free and it's safe, and easy to use.

I usually convert from avi to DVD now and build a collection, that way if they dissapear, I have my copies.

The best media to watch any torrent or file movie is VLC, it is free and safe, it's the best because it repairs any damnaged audio or video files before playing ...I love it.

"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus

Murron  posted on  2010-09-08   21:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone, war (#31) (Edited)

I liked Next Generation (starting in the 3rd year -- the first two years were horrible) and Enterprise (the Vulcan with the large assets was great). Deep Space 9 was boring to me.

My opinion is that the movies were very mixed.

The last movie was completely unrealistic. You can't go from some loser renegade to being the Captain of a ship on one mission. It takes about 20 years to be a Captain, if you are good and willing to suck it up and be a team player. It's the way the world has always worked.

Even though I like science fiction, the human situation has to be realistic for me to buy in.

I hated "A Few Good Men" for the same reason. Some flunky Lieutenant cannot disrespect a Colonel in that manner without getting Court Martialed for insubordination. It just doesn't work that way.


the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-08   21:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Murron (#37)

I haven't downloaded any torrents lately.

My favorite site for finding them was isohunt.com

I always liked bitcomet.

I put my downloads on a hard drive. Then I use a program called TVersity. It works with Xbox360, PS3 and the wii. It allows you to watch streaming movies on your TV, controlled by your PS3 or whatever. That way you don't have to have hundreds of of discs that get scratched up (if you have kids). It is a free program.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-08   21:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: All (#35)

I had an econ professor who said eye eee a lot !

Quick definitions (ie)

Å6; adverb: that is to say; in other words

also ...

i.e. abbreviation of "id est" (Latin); that is.

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2010-09-08   21:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)

VUZE is the safest thing to use for torrents. Even still, I use my older computer to do that sort of downloading. I had too much headaches with Limewire and the viruses you can get on that site to use one of my better machines.

Well if you have to know...forgot to take my meds..you young whipper snapper! Chill out! Murron 2002-08-31

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-08   21:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#39)

That way you don't have to have hundreds of of discs that get scratched up (if you have kids). It is a free program.

Nope, no kids here anymore, but they all did call this evening, it's their g- pa's birthday....

"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus

Murron  posted on  2010-09-08   21:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Murron (#42)

It also makes it easier to find them. Instead of shuffling through lots and lots of discs.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-08   21:40:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)

It also makes it easier to find them. Instead of shuffling through lots and lots of discs.

I haven't tried it yet, but I may. My son collects movies from our satalite, stores them on ...what is that thing built in DV..something, he has a whole slew of movies..and no discs

"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus

Murron  posted on  2010-09-08   21:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ferret Mike (#41)

I've heard of Vuze. Never used it. Here is what I found on google.

http://www.hiprank.com/bitcomet-vs-utorrent-vs-vuze-vs-xunlei.html

It's official: bitcomet is acceptable, utorrent is acceptable, xunlei is run of the mill, vuze could cause you to vomit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-08   21:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: jwpegler (#38) (Edited)

You can't go from some loser renegade to being the Captain of a ship on one mission.

The renegade part was spot on. In several episodes, Kirk references his wayward youth. So, your second point, has some validity but that didn't bother me. Mr. Scott was a brilliant interpretation and I thought bringing out the human side of Spock was brilliantly played. McCoy was played spot on.

There were two things that I REALLY enjoyed seeing and one was Spock telling the Vulcan Science Academy to go fuck itself. They took the biographical background from Journey to Babel - from Spock being tormented as a child to his relationship with his mom - and brought it to life. The second was Kirk beating Kobayashi Maruk, aka the no win scenario. Even though that wasn't part of the original series but brought out in Wrath of Khan, again, it was very well played.

As an aside, Kirstie Alley was the hottest Vulcan since Spock's wife to be in Amok Time. i still get guy cramps when I think of her.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

war  posted on  2010-09-08   21:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#46)

I liked spock in the movie. I also like him on Heroes. You ever seen heroes. It was a good show. I'm going to have to watch the final season sometime.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-08   22:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: A K A Stone (#47) (Edited)

I'm not a regular TV guy. But one of my sons loves, or loved, it. It was canceled, no?

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

war  posted on  2010-09-08   22:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Fred Mertz (#15)

On my satellite dish system - the majority of 'normal' channels are from 105 - 210 or so. Then there are sports, PPV, music, etc.

I have to go to channel 9415 to watch Democracy Now! I'll bet half the subscribers don't even know they have it.

LMAO 8D

We were the first in NW AR to get DirecTV.

The box went out yesterday.

They came in, replaced it. Told us it won't work quite right until we pony up for HDTV.

Room Service Blackmail. Is America Great or What!? 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-08   22:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: war (#46)

Kirstie Alley was the hottest Vulcan since Spock's wife to be in Amok Time.

And everybody knows her name.

What is this? Along with DirecTV, I talked about Kirsty this PM.

Small World. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-08   22:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: war (#46)

The renegade part was spot on.

No, you don't go from a new enlistee to commanding a ship in one mission. It doesn't work that way.

I've been in the military and worked in large corporations. It's NOT spot on. It's ridiculous. I didn't like the movie at all.

Kirstie Alley was the hottest Vulcan

Maybe before she porked out... The Enterprise Vulcan babe had it all -- thin, tight body, large assets, great facial features... mmmmm....


the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-08   22:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: war (#48)

Yeah they canceled it. I'm gonna watch the final season sometime though. It was a great show. I actually started watching it downloading torrents.

I wanna watch the new season of Dexter first though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-08   22:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: war (#14)

Along with unplanned drought on farms.

"It's God punishing us for O'bastard."

Goldi-Lox

So we haven't even got to what we've done pre 2009?

8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-08   22:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: jwpegler (#22)

Do average people know who they are? I dunno but I hope so.

I watch Tyson whenever he's on, I have Greene's "elegant universe" sitting on my shelf but haven't had the time to devote to reading it just yet.


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-09-08   22:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war, jwpegler (#29)

I was 10 when the greatest program in the history of TV was on.

years ago I read a book on the science of star trek, it opened by describing how quickly the crew would die within seconds of the Captain ordering the ship to go to impulse power, and how the writers created an anti-g-force shield in front of the ship to overcome the physics.


And the Conservative plan to create jobs is......?????

go65  posted on  2010-09-08   22:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mcgowanjm (#8)

Amazon on brink of collapse

Let's put Meg Whitman on it pronto Jim.....I'll make the call tomorrow....Stay tuned and sleep well:)

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. Below is the latest Dwarf revelation: ...."the shorts and bibs I wear are of a carbon/lycra/nylon composition......and maaaaaannnnnn....just letting everybody know that makes my balls SWELL......I'm just tooooooo sexy for you all!!" ....Dwarf August 2010.............. And one from the bluehair 2-legged GPS "I always get the Carolinas mixed up for some reason." ......Fred Jerx (who will doubtless figure out the intricacy of that tricky "North / South" thing someday. Ahldoafewboners = the kind of person who can say absolutely nothing, and mean it.....aka Regurgitated Clown Floyd

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-09-09   3:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Liberator, gotobamaina69 (#55)

years ago I read a book on the science of star trek,

Lib....I'm plumb outta space on my "footer of abject leftist stupidity".

Chuckles......suppose is it conceivable that vacuum skulled morons like this clown would actually read "science" into star trek.

I'd better recommend the watch commander commission the watching of Adam-12 as a tactical field training aid.....sheesh........who knew TV programs were such treasure troves of factual real world training?????

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. Below is the latest Dwarf revelation: ...."the shorts and bibs I wear are of a carbon/lycra/nylon composition......and maaaaaannnnnn....just letting everybody know that makes my balls SWELL......I'm just tooooooo sexy for you all!!" ....Dwarf August 2010.............. And one from the bluehair 2-legged GPS "I always get the Carolinas mixed up for some reason." ......Fred Jerx (who will doubtless figure out the intricacy of that tricky "North / South" thing someday. Ahldoafewboners = the kind of person who can say absolutely nothing, and mean it.....aka Regurgitated Clown Floyd

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-09-09   3:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: jwpegler (#51)

No, you don't go from a new enlistee to commanding a ship in one mission. It doesn't work that way.

I had no problem suspending disbelief. But, c'mon dude, it was 2 minutes at the end of the movie.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

war  posted on  2010-09-09   7:53:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: mcgowanjm (#53)

Nope. Boy Blunder sucked israel's ass...God loved us then...

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

war  posted on  2010-09-09   7:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: war (#59)

Nope. Boy Blunder sucked israel's ass...God loved us then...

I'll always (until credible source otherwise;} think Dayan/Meir blackmailed LBJ with the JFK Assassination.

And the US hasn't looked back since:

Arguing for a restoration of civil liberties, le Carre warns against the insidious power of what some in the United States term the “deep state”.

“We have so many people who are indoctrinated, who are admitted to the secrets of state, and we have the people outside the circle.

“We have a situation where it is possible to go up to MPs as a whip in the House of Commons, as happened I think before the outbreak of the Iraq war, and say: ‘If you have seen the papers I have seen, I know how you will vote.’

Q. In your opinion, what are the most important subjects for the coming year?

Education—36%; the Iranian threat—13%; the war on corruption—12.7%; peace with the Palestinians—11.3%; traffic accidents—11.2%; dealing with poverty—7.9%

The poll by Teleseker questioned 500 people. The margin of error is 4.4 percent.

“The victims always remember, the winners forget.”

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   8:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: mcgowanjm (#60)

I'll always (until credible source otherwise;} think Dayan/Meir blackmailed LBJ with the JFK Assassination

I'll never be convinced that it was for anything other than CIA/Mob being double crossed over Cuba.

Oswald was CIA...'nuff said...

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

war  posted on  2010-09-09   8:37:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: e_type_jag (#56)

Meg Whitman

Meg, e?

And you get to make these calls?

U missed a couple. Eh, e?

And you're keeping me informed? LMFAO, e.

Nope. Boy Blunder sucked israel's ass...God loved us then...

I'll always (until credible source otherwise;} think Dayan/Meir blackmailed LBJ with the JFK Assassination.

And the US hasn't looked back since:

Arguing for a restoration of civil liberties, le Carre warns against the insidious power of what some in the United States term the “deep state”.

“We have so many people who are indoctrinated, who are admitted to the secrets of state, and we have the people outside the circle.

“We have a situation where it is possible to go up to MPs as a whip in the House of Commons, as happened I think before the outbreak of the Iraq war, and say: ‘If you have seen the papers I have seen, I know how you will vote.’

Q. In your opinion, what are the most important subjects for the coming year?

Education—36%; the Iranian threat—13%; the war on corruption—12.7%; peace with the Palestinians—11.3%; traffic accidents—11.2%; dealing with poverty—7.9%

The poll by Teleseker questioned 500 people. The margin of error is 4.4 percent.

“The victims always remember, the winners forget.”

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   8:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#61)

I'll never be convinced that it was for anything other than CIA/Mob being double crossed over Cuba.

Oswald was CIA...'nuff said...

Except:

DeMorenschilt's phone number. Who committed Suicide nite before testifying to Warren Commission.

First thing LBJ does is reverse decision to remove 'Advisors' from Vietnam.

2nd was JFK ordering Navy to back off Bay of Pigs.

Strike 3, gather up and burn all those pesky silver backed Non Fed Notes.

June 4th, 1963- On that day John F Kennedy,President of the United States signed executive order 11110 that returned the U.S. government the power to issue currency Without Going Through the Federal Reserve , giving the Treasury the power to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion,,silver or standard silver in the Treasury. This meant for every amount of silver the government could introduce new money into circulation it brought 4.3 billion dollars into circulation.

John F. Kennedy was assasinated five months later and the Executive Order has never been repealed.

Cedric X JFK?FED info:

Executive Order 11110 AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   8:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: mcgowanjm (#63)

First thing LBJ does is reverse decision to remove 'Advisors' from Vietnam.

LBJ wasn't stupid. He saw himself as equally "disposable".

I have no doubt that he asked them what they wanted...Cuba or Vietnam...

It's also no coincidence that the Mob thrived under LBJ and Nixon/Ford.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

war  posted on  2010-09-09   8:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: war (#64)

LBJ wasn't stupid. He saw himself as equally "disposable".

Oh yeah, you got that right.

LBJ was blackmailed before JFK. Hated JFK more than Bush41 hated Reagan.

And LBJ didn't ask. He was told. And he could even try to get Jackie in bed if he wanted.

1) Jackie trying to get out of the car 2)Jackie left for a Greek Magnate and protection.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   8:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: war (#64)

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Truth Replaced with Silence is Evil.

* No evidence of investigation; rumours rife

By Nick Trevethan

SINGAPORE, Sept 9 (Reuters) - Base metals fell sharply on Thursday, with markets down more than 2 percent on average, on talk of a Chinese probe on funds, making zinc the big loser after open interest dropped almost 10 percent, traders said.

The rumours spread rapidly through China's commodity markets, appearing to hit rubber, zinc and soy first before rippling quickly to others.

For a graphic of Chinese commodity futures prices: here

"We are investigating why there is a sharp decrease," said Shi Yan, chief analyst with Xinhu Futures Co. Ltd. "There is market talk over a crackdown over illegal funds, but we do not have any reliable source for that."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   8:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mcgowanjm (#65)

2)Jackie left for a Greek Magnate and protection.

James, you always make it sound so simple.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-09-09   9:35:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Fred Mertz (#67)

;} And exciting. That's what Truth is.

The reason people hate history. They know it ain't right.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   9:54:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: All (#68) (Edited)

double gas exports to Russia in 2011 to two billion cubic meters, and further increase them from 2012, gas giant Gazprom said, in a move that may deal a blow to the European gas project Nabucco.

AFP - Azerbaijan will double gas exports to Russia in 2011 and increase them further from 2012, the countries said on Friday in a move that could undercut Europe's drive to secure Central Asian supplies.

Go ahead and burn a truck load of Qurans a day. The azeri's will love US for it, I'm sure. Give us the gas for free maybe? You'll want to get those nuke/drones ready though. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   11:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: mcgowanjm (#69)

Go ahead and burn a truck load of Qurans a day.

Really. Let them have at it.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-09-09   22:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Fred Mertz (#70)

While they're at it, show the kids how to do hot dogs on a hangar, and s'mores.

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-10   8:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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