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Title: Afghanistan's dirty little secret
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URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... /c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL
Published: Sep 6, 2010
Author: Joel Brinkley
Post Date: 2010-09-06 19:47:19 by Mad Dog
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Comments: 73
Western forces fighting in southern Afghanistan had a problem. Too often, soldiers on patrol passed an older man walking hand-in-hand with a pretty young boy. Their behavior suggested he was not the boy's father. Then, British soldiers found that young Afghan men were actually trying to "touch and fondle them," military investigator AnnaMaria Cardinalli told me. "The soldiers didn't understand." All of this was so disconcerting that the Defense Department hired Cardinalli, a social scientist, to examine this mystery. Her report, "Pashtun Sexuality," startled not even one Afghan. But Western forces were shocked - and repulsed. For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers. Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover. Literally it means "boy player." The men like to boast about it. "Having a boy has become a custom for us," Enayatullah, a 42-year-old in Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. "Whoever wants to show off should have a boy." Baghlan province is in the northeast, but Afghans say pedophilia is most prevalent among Pashtun men in the south. The Pashtun are Afghanistan's most important tribe. For centuries, the nation's leaders have been Pashtun. President Hamid Karzai is Pashtun, from a village near Kandahar, and he has six brothers. So the natural question arises: Has anyone in the Karzai family been bacha baz? Two Afghans with close connections to the Karzai family told me they know that at least one family member and perhaps two were bacha baz. Afraid of retribution, both declined to be identified and would not be more specific for publication. As for Karzai, an American who worked in and around his palace in an official capacity for many months told me that homosexual behavior "was rampant" among "soldiers and guys on the security detail. They talked about boys all the time." He added, "I didn't see Karzai with anyone. He was in his palace most of the time." He, too, declined to be identified. In Kandahar, population about 500,000, and other towns, dance parties are a popular, often weekly, pastime. Young boys dress up as girls, wearing makeup and bells on their feet, and dance for a dozen or more leering middle-aged men who throw money at them and then take them home. A recent State Department report called "dancing boys" a "widespread, culturally sanctioned form of male rape." So, why are American and NATO forces fighting and dying to defend tens of thousands of proud pedophiles, certainly more per capita than any other place on Earth? And how did Afghanistan become the pedophilia capital of Asia? Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle. "How can you fall in love if you can't see her face," 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. "We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful." Even after marriage, many men keep their boys, suggesting a loveless life at home. A favored Afghan expression goes: "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure." Fundamentalist imams, exaggerating a biblical passage on menstruation, teach that women are "unclean" and therefore distasteful. One married man even asked Cardinalli's team "how his wife could become pregnant," her report said. When that was explained, he "reacted with disgust" and asked, "How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean?" That helps explain why women are hidden away - and stoned to death if they are perceived to have misbehaved. Islamic law also forbids homosexuality. But the pedophiles explain that away. It's not homosexuality, they aver, because they aren't in love with their boys. Addressing the loathsome mistreatment of Afghan women remains a primary goal for coalition governments, as it should be. But what about the boys, thousands upon thousands of little boys who are victims of serial rape over many years, destroying their lives - and Afghan society. "There's no issue more horrifying and more deserving of our attention than this," Cardinalli said. "I'm continually haunted by what I saw." As one boy, in tow of a man he called "my lord," told the Reuters reporter: "Once I grow up, I will be an owner, and I will have my own boys." Read more: www.sfgate.com/cgi- bin/article.cgi? f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL#ixzz0ynPdsSSd
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#33. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
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I have too,but what I haven't seen is any prominent Christian religious leaders or elected officials calling for the people doing the burning to be put to death.
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The other dirty little secret is while the Taliban were in power they almost completely eradicated the opium trade. Today, Afghanistan is once again the world's largest supplier of opium, heroin, and other opiates. Yet another bonus from Bush's ill-advised war.
But sure, Mike - several videos of bible and flag burning helped you make some kind of point. Just not the point you intended. Some might now that think that the point is....that you are actually defending Afghan Muzzies and their custom of boy-loving pedophilia. Not that your extensive spandex wardrobe, or admission of indifference of whether you were male or female, or your boasting of having several gay friends means anything at all. Just sayin'...
One of my favorite Audioslave songs!
ou are just too thick to make the connection. No, the "connection" you disingeuous twit is...That you're obviously a rabid anti-Christian and advocate for Muzzie pedophila practices that gross out American troops, Spandex-boy.
Mad Dog / Iblewafartsky / Sucksabigschwantzky or whatever he calls himself doesn't have the intellectual bandwidth to comprehend anything you are saying.
You just nailed Mikey's azz. (pun intended :-)
Is that what this POS Skippy was doing? On a Muzzie-Man-Boy Love thread? Figures.
HA! Look who's trawling D-I-C-K. Flung that closet WIDE open, eh Sweetie?
Yes, he learned it from Buckeroo.
Sorry Mike. You've stepped in it already. Man-Boy Advocate.
Another POS lacking any integrity whatsoever. Except Skippy was trawling DICK on a Muslim Boy-Love Pedophile thread.
You're garbage in my book.
So much for "tracking 0bama down." As it turns out, the America taxpayer has paid $250 billion dollars to help a resurgence of the opium trade in Afghanistan. NOT including the cost in human life.
I'm in the process of reviewing what tracking script is...how could you tell it was posted? What would result from it? Like I said I'm looking into understanding it, or about it right now. Thanks Stoner.
I think you may be mistaken about this. They may have practically eradicated the local USE of it,but they couldn't have cared less about the locals growing it for sale and use in the west.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Goldi used to accuse posters of posting tracking script too. I think she accused Travis McGee and another poster whose name escapes me of posting it.... for whatever reason I can not possibly fathom. Oh wait... I think they admitted to wanting to find out if another poster was using multiple IDs or something similiar.
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Nope, I am correct and it is well documented. Afghanistan, Opium and the Taliban JALALABAD, Afghanistan (February 15, 2001 8:19 p.m. EST) U.N. drug control officers said the Taliban religious militia has nearly wiped out opium production in Afghanistan -- once the world's largest producer -- since banning poppy cultivation last summer. A 12-member team from the U.N. Drug Control Program spent two weeks searching most of the nation's largest opium-producing areas and found so few poppies that they do not expect any opium to come out of Afghanistan this year. "We are not just guessing. We have seen the proof in the fields," said Bernard Frahi, regional director for the U.N. program in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He laid out photographs of vast tracts of land cultivated with wheat alongside pictures of the same fields taken a year earlier -- a sea of blood-red poppies. A State Department official said Thursday all the information the United States has received so far indicates the poppy crop had decreased, but he did not believe it was eliminated. Last year, Afghanistan produced nearly 4,000 tons of opium, about 75 percent of the world's supply, U.N. officials said. Opium -- the milky substance drained from the poppy plant -- is converted into heroin and sold in Europe and North America. The 1999 output was a world record for opium production, the United Nations said -- more than all other countries combined, including the "Golden Triangle," where the borders of Thailand, Laos and Myanmar meet. Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban's supreme leader, banned poppy growing before the November planting season and augmented it with a religious edict making it contrary to the tenets of Islam. The Taliban, which has imposed a strict brand of Islam in the 95 percent of Afghanistan it controls, has set fire to heroin laboratories and jailed farmers until they agreed to destroy their poppy crops. The U.N. surveyors, who completed their search this week, crisscrossed Helmand, Kandahar, Urzgan and Nangarhar provinces and parts of two others -- areas responsible for 86 percent of the opium produced in Afghanistan last year, Frahi said in an interview Wednesday. They covered 80 percent of the land in those provinces that last year had been awash in poppies. This year they found poppies growing on barely an acre here and there, Frahi said. The rest -- about 175,000 acres -- was clean. "We have to look at the situation with careful optimism," said Sandro Tucci of the U.N. Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention in Vienna, Austria. He said indications are that no poppies were planted this season and that, as a result, there hasn't been any production of opium -- but that officials would keep checking. The State Department counternarcotics official said the department would make its own estimate of the poppy crop. Information received so far suggests there will be a decrease, but how much is not yet clear, he said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "We do not think by any stretch of the imagination that poppy cultivation in Afghanistan has been eliminated. But we, like the rest of the world, welcome positive news." The Drug Enforcement Administration declined to comment. No U.S. government official can enter Afghanistan because of security concerns stemming from the presence of suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden. Poppies are harvested in March and April, which is why the survey was done now. Tucci said it would have been impossible for the poppies to have been harvested already. The areas searched by the U.N. surveyors are the most fertile lands under Taliban control. Other areas, though they are somewhat fertile, have not traditionally been poppy growing areas and farmers are struggling to raise any crops at all because of severe drought. The rest of the land held by the Taliban is mountainous or desert, where poppies could not grow. Karim Rahimi, the U.N. drug control liaison in Jalalabad, capital of Nangarhar province, said farmers were growing wheat or onions in fields where they once grew poppies. "It is amazing, really, when you see the fields that last year were filled with poppies and this year there is wheat," he said. The Taliban enforced the ban by threatening to arrest village elders and mullahs who allowed poppies to be grown. Taliban soldiers patrolled in trucks armed with rocket-propelled grenade launchers. About 1,000 people in Nangarhar who tried to defy the ban were arrested and jailed until they agreed to destroy their crops. Signs throughout Nangarhar warn against drug production and use, some calling it an "illicit phenomenon." Another reads: "Be drug free, be happy." Last year, poppies grew on 12,600 acres of land in Nangarhar province. According to the U.N. survey, poppies were planted on only 17 acres there this season and all were destroyed by the Taliban. "The Taliban have done their work very seriously," Frahi said. But the ban has badly hurt farmers in one of the world's poorest countries, shattered by two decades of war and devastated by drought. Ahmed Rehman, who shares less than three acres in Nangarhar with his three brothers, said the opium he produced last year on part of the land brought him $1,100. This year, he says, he will be lucky to get $300 for the onions and cattle feed he planted on the entire parcel. "Life is very bad for me this year," he said. "Last year I was able to buy meat and wheat and now this year there is nothing." But Rehman said he never considered defying the ban. "The Taliban were patrolling all the time. Of course I was afraid. I did not want to go to jail and lose my freedom and my dignity," he said, gesturing with dirt-caked hands. Shams-ul-Haq Sayed, an officer of the Taliban drug control office in Jalalabad, said farmers need international aid. "This year was the most important for us because growing poppies was part of their culture, and the first years are always the most difficult," he said. Tucci said discussions are under way on how to help the farmers. Western diplomats in Pakistan have suggested the Taliban is simply trying to drive up the price of opium they have stockpiled. The State Department official also said Afghanistan could do more by destroying drug stockpiles and heroin labs and arresting producers and traffickers. Frahi dismissed that as "nonsense" and said it is drug traffickers and shopkeepers who have stockpiles. Two pounds of opium worth $35 last year are now worth as much as $360, he said. Mullah Amir Mohammed Haqqani, the Taliban's top drug official in Nangarhar, said the ban would remain regardless of whether the Taliban received aid or international recognition. "It is our decree that there will be no poppy cultivation. It is banned forever in this country," he said. "Whether we get assistance or not, poppy growing will never be allowed again in our country.
Also I forgot to tell you... congratulations.
"Look you leftist pervert, make sure you keep your Mr Winky away from your family's new addition or I will send some fellow salad tossers to square away your sorry butt. Got it??" The good "cop", Jethro Tull explaining how to prevent a Palin family tradition in YOUR family.
Thank you! Oh what a feeling. I already have the picture. It was all worth it. I'll have to look at the chart and "see" it again. My partner dad wants a DVD so he can brag to his friends in NJ. We're all on Cloud 9.
You're a legend, Freddy.
Yeah, I know.
I just tried to write a simple script and post it here. The web site strips out script tags.
Flattery will getcha nowhere.
For what purpose? Why didn't you get banned?
Actually Libe, I had several windows open including other forums. I actually did not see the topic of this header until I got home and unhibernated the lappie and reviewed the thread. That was my error. IT would of helped instead of screeching at me as M. Doggie Dogg did, if someone had, "err, Ferret, have you read the header man? You're confusing me." I was puzzled what the heck M. Doggie Dogg was screeching about with the boys comment, but oh well. C'est la guerre. When MD posted, I was gathering my stuff, talking to a friend at the coffee shop who's wifi I was using, and got the topic of the thread completely wrong.
I know what you speak of Pete, but as I just posted to Libe, I crossed wires and was responding to another thread about Koran burning I had seen on another forum. I hadn't been speaking on the header of this pederasty thread at all. Goes to show that if you don't pay attention to details... you know the deal.
Bring your korans." My mistake, I confused this with another forum's thread in another window. Just wanted you to know why the header said one thing, and the topic I commented on was completely different. The above quote from M. Doggie Dogg's header didn't help. But I always take responsibility for my own errors.
Actually, sex with minors who have no ability to form consent is very wrong and preditorial. Sparta, the Greek city state had a really strange system where warriors took boy lovers showering them with gifts and mixed mentoring with sex many hundreds of years ago. So these bad practices talked about in this header are wrong and an age old human headache. It isn't just a Muslim problem. Although the burka treatment of women blaming them for a guy getting horny seeing them help precipitate the problem. No, I agree with Pete that while this is a long term problem in this culture in this country, it should be ended just as surely as genital mutilation, stonings, not letting women drive in Saudi Arabia and other things that hurt everyone and help nobody.
Hay donkey boy. How are things in the salt mines these days. Or did they sell you to the circus instead?
Oh yesssssssssH! The taliboners made the trains run right on time too didn't they? Do you stamp your wittle footsie when you say "de EBIL BOOSH's it's ALL de EBIL EBIL BOOSH'S fault!"
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
You need to edit your tagline. Just a friendly suggestion, you freaking psycho.
MAD DOG. CHILL OUT WITH THE LANGUAGE PLEASE. Stone edited it
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
LOL! Brain dead reptile "humor" reptile?
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
Yeah, you really need to stop using the 'C' word and other stuff that is particularly derogatory to women as well. It is very obvious in listening to you you don't have a very high opinion of woman in a very Talibanish way. Part of the problem with our culture historically has been a bias against women, much as you have. Part of the cause of this particular pederasty in Afghani culture has been a denigration of women. A denigration we too often suffer from. It is foolish for example for people there to want women to cover up completely blaming them for the feelings a man's sexual drive give him. Just as it's foolish to blame the violent crime of rape on how a woman is dressed, which happens here. One thing is for sure, we have our baggage as a culture too, so we always have to be diplomatic and respectful in an overall sense of the culture of others. We used to work children for next to no pay for long hours in factories. Western Civilization has had the city state of Sparta's system of pederasty, the break away Mormon cults that marry off young girls to older men and chase away competing younger men. The changes that allowed us to evolve to a better system where women and children are treated better was a long complex one. So, while I most certainly agree this cultural exploitation of young boys must end, something this ingrained in their culture of which we have only so much power over is going to take time to change.
To verify the claim that you posted a script. I didn't think it was possible and it wasn't.
Apparently what happened is that a URL was posted that pointed to a script. That's different (but could be as bad) as posted a script to the site.
Mule trains,maybe. They ain't advanced enough for high tech stuff like Choo Choo's.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Pffffft You know corn flake "boy", uh "girl", uh I mean weasel "boy", uh I mean "girl". I see your lips flapping LIAR, but I don't hear a single word that you are spewing LIAR.
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
I don't worry about what you say. What you say defines your problems and is your worry.
I've seen both the Bible and American Flag burned, usually at demonstrations.
#34. To: Mad Dog (#0)
(Edited)
the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton
#35. To: Ferret Mike, Mad Dog (#2)
I guess endangering troops is OK as long as Conserva Nutzies like you do it.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#11)
the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton
#37. To: Ferret Mike, Mad Dog (#17)
My point is that one group doing something like that only doing it to Korans looks just as dumb as people burning American Flags or Bibles.
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton
#39. To: Mad Dog, Ferret Mike (#18)
You are "disturbed" by FREE speech, BUT you see nothing even worth commenting on about the serial RAPE and abuse of young boys?
#40. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro (#23)
Put tracking script here again and I will ban you permanently.
#41. To: Skip Intro, A K A Stone (#24)
Blow me, Stone.
#42. To: Liberator (#40)
Is that what this POS Skippy was doing?
#43. To: Ferret Mike, Mad Dog (#25)
My point is giving you some empathy as to how the emotions of Muslims is exactly the same as yours' over a Bible or American Flag burning.
#44. To: A K A Stone, Skip-Pee-Boy Love (#42)
Yes, he learned it from Buckeroo.
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
#46. To: sneakypete (#33)
(Edited)
#47. To: jwpegler (#34)
The other dirty little secret is while the Taliban were in power they almost completely eradicated the opium trade. Today, Afghanistan is once again the world's largest supplier of opium, heroin, and other opiates. Yet another bonus from Bush's ill-advised war.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#23)
Put tracking script here again...
#49. To: jwpegler (#34)
The other dirty little secret is while the Taliban were in power they almost completely eradicated the opium trade.
#50. To: Fred Mertz (#48)
I'm in the process of reviewing what tracking script is...how could you tell it was posted? What would result from it?
#51. To: sneakypete (#49)
I think you may be mistaken about this.
the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton
#52. To: Fred Mertz (#48)
#53. To: mininggold (#52)
#54. To: Fred Mertz (#48)
I'm in the process of reviewing what tracking script is...
#55. To: Liberator (#54)
#56. To: Liberator (#54)
(Edited)
the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton
#57. To: Liberator (#45)
#58. To: jwpegler (#56)
I just tried to write a simple script and post it here.
#59. To: Liberator (#43)
#60. To: sneakypete (#32)
(Edited)
"Give it up,Mike. They want to kill us for two reasons,and this ain't going to change."
#61. To: A K A Stone, Mad Dog (#23)
(Edited)
"...We're fixing to have a bonfire 11 September!
#62. To: Liberator (#37)
"No, the "connection" you disingenuous twit is...That you're obviously a rabid anti-Christian and advocate for Muzzie pedophilia practices that gross out American troops, Spandex-boy."
#63. To: Mad Dog (#1)
The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!
#64. To: jwpegler (#34)
#65. To: Mad Dog (#64)
#66. To: Fred Mertz (#65)
#67. To: Coral Snake (#63)
#68. To: Mad Dog (#66)
#69. To: Fred Mertz (#58)
For what purpose?
the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton
#70. To: Fred Mertz (#58)
the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton
#71. To: Mad Dog (#64)
The taliboners made the trains run right on time too didn't they?
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
#73. To: Mad Dog (#72)
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