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Title: Afghanistan's dirty little secret
Source: sfgate.com
URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... /c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL
Published: Sep 6, 2010
Author: Joel Brinkley
Post Date: 2010-09-06 19:47:19 by Mad Dog
Keywords: None
Views: 66738
Comments: 73

Western forces fighting in southern Afghanistan had a problem. Too often, soldiers on patrol passed an older man walking hand-in-hand with a pretty young boy. Their behavior suggested he was not the boy's father. Then, British soldiers found that young Afghan men were actually trying to "touch and fondle them," military investigator AnnaMaria Cardinalli told me. "The soldiers didn't understand."

All of this was so disconcerting that the Defense Department hired Cardinalli, a social scientist, to examine this mystery. Her report, "Pashtun Sexuality," startled not even one Afghan. But Western forces were shocked - and repulsed.

For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers. Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover. Literally it means "boy player." The men like to boast about it.

"Having a boy has become a custom for us," Enayatullah, a 42-year-old in Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. "Whoever wants to show off should have a boy."

Baghlan province is in the northeast, but Afghans say pedophilia is most prevalent among Pashtun men in the south. The Pashtun are Afghanistan's most important tribe. For centuries, the nation's leaders have been Pashtun.

President Hamid Karzai is Pashtun, from a village near Kandahar, and he has six brothers. So the natural question arises: Has anyone in the Karzai family been bacha baz? Two Afghans with close connections to the Karzai family told me they know that at least one family member and perhaps two were bacha baz. Afraid of retribution, both declined to be identified and would not be more specific for publication.

As for Karzai, an American who worked in and around his palace in an official capacity for many months told me that homosexual behavior "was rampant" among "soldiers and guys on the security detail. They talked about boys all the time."

He added, "I didn't see Karzai with anyone. He was in his palace most of the time." He, too, declined to be identified.

In Kandahar, population about 500,000, and other towns, dance parties are a popular, often weekly, pastime. Young boys dress up as girls, wearing makeup and bells on their feet, and dance for a dozen or more leering middle-aged men who throw money at them and then take them home. A recent State Department report called "dancing boys" a "widespread, culturally sanctioned form of male rape."

So, why are American and NATO forces fighting and dying to defend tens of thousands of proud pedophiles, certainly more per capita than any other place on Earth? And how did Afghanistan become the pedophilia capital of Asia?

Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.

"How can you fall in love if you can't see her face," 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. "We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful."

Even after marriage, many men keep their boys, suggesting a loveless life at home. A favored Afghan expression goes: "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure." Fundamentalist imams, exaggerating a biblical passage on menstruation, teach that women are "unclean" and therefore distasteful. One married man even asked Cardinalli's team "how his wife could become pregnant," her report said. When that was explained, he "reacted with disgust" and asked, "How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean?"

That helps explain why women are hidden away - and stoned to death if they are perceived to have misbehaved. Islamic law also forbids homosexuality. But the pedophiles explain that away. It's not homosexuality, they aver, because they aren't in love with their boys.

Addressing the loathsome mistreatment of Afghan women remains a primary goal for coalition governments, as it should be.

But what about the boys, thousands upon thousands of little boys who are victims of serial rape over many years, destroying their lives - and Afghan society.

"There's no issue more horrifying and more deserving of our attention than this," Cardinalli said. "I'm continually haunted by what I saw."

As one boy, in tow of a man he called "my lord," told the Reuters reporter: "Once I grow up, I will be an owner, and I will have my own boys."

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#7. To: Mad Dog (#3)

I've seen both the Bible and American Flag burned, usually at demonstrations.

One thing about burning the Koran as protected speech; burning icons you love gets the same protection.

The First Amendment works because one is responsible for the ramifications of their words and actions.

Burning the Koran is just as childish as flag or Bible burning. It creates no dialog, just a cycle of backlash.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-06   20:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#4)

LOL!

So.....

NOW we know why so many of you libTURD filth so LUV islam eh "boys"?

So NOW TRY to tell me that this isn't islamist SOP and REAL.

So NOW TRY to change the subject you disgusting libTURD filth.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-09-06   20:15:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

LOL!

So... ..

NOW we know why so many of you libTURD filth so LUV islam eh "boys"?

So NOW TRY to tell me that this isn't islamist SOP and REAL.

So NOW TRY to change the subject you disgusting libTURD filth.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-09-06   20:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ferret Mike (#6)

LOL!

So... ...

NOW we know why so many of you libTURD filth so LUV islam eh "boys"?

So NOW TRY to tell me that this isn't islamist SOP and REAL.

So NOW TRY to change the subject you disgusting libTURD filth.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-09-06   20:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-06   20:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

LOL!

So.....

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LMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-09-06   20:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Mad Dog (#3)

--

Funeral Protester Given Permission To Trample Flag

The Phelps U.S. Service men protesters have had their flag desecration protected. One thing about their childish and foolish acts; your childish and foolish burning looks just as immature and childish.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-06   20:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#11)

LMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So NOW TRY to change the subject you disgusting libTURD filth.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-09-06   20:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#11)

Nice, exactly my point. Every act of desecration like that invites backlash.

Thanks for demonstrating the point I am making.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-06   20:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: All (#14)

FROM "his" first post the king of the libTURDS has done nothing but to TRY to change the subject.

So NOW libTURD weasel " girl"/"boy" TRY to change the subject you disgusting libTURD filth.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-09-06   20:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Mad Dog (#14)

Who wans to change the subject? My point is not that flag or Bible burning is good; it's not.

My point is that one group doing something like that only doing it to Korans looks just as dumb as people burning American Flags or Bibles.

You are just too thick to make the connection.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-06   20:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike, AKAStone (#15)

LOL!

You are "disturbed" by FREE speech, BUT you see nothing even worth commenting on about the serial RAPE and abuse of young boys?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

"LibTURD thy name is HYPOCRISY!"

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-09-06   20:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Mad Dog (#10)

"NOW we know why so many of you libTURD filth so LUV islam eh "boys"?"

Neither Islam or Christianity is my religion. But I support the First Amendment, and support both religions being protected under it.

I wanted to see some emotion ovet the videos I posted. Because my point is empathy.

Burning anything like this creates no useful or constructive dialog. It only makes those doing it look stupid.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-06   20:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Mad Dog (#0)

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." — Jack Handey

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-06   20:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mad Dog (#18)

"You are "disturbed" by FREE speech, BUT you see nothing even worth commenting on about the serial RAPE and abuse of young boys?"

You are the one who says I am 'disturbed' by free speech. Quite the contrary, I support it.

My point is only that Free Speech entails responsibility and the ramifications of one's speech is what moderates and controls free speech enough to make the First Amendment work.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-06   20:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

LOL!

So NOW libTURD weasel " girl"/"boy" TRY to change the subject you disgusting libTURD filth.

I guess that YOU are way to dim to see how I bitch slapped you in EVERY post on this thread eh libTURD "girl"/"boy"?

You F ing libTURDS aren't really all that bright are you?

LMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to mention predictable.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-09-06   20:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Skip Intro (#20)

Put tracking script here again and I will ban you permanently.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-06   20:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#23)

Blow me, Stone.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." — Jack Handey

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-06   20:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Mad Dog (#22)

Nobody is changing the topic, and it is predictable you don't have the brain power to see that.

My point exactly is that you , Stone and others will react with outrage and anger when it's your icons being violated.

My point is giving you some empathy as to how the emotions of Muslims is exactly the same as yours' over a Bible or American Flag burning.

The only thing I worry about is the men and women of the U.S. Armed forces in harm's way in Afghanistan.

If any of them suffer or die because of the emotional backlash over this - which is similar to the feeling of a revengeful Stone giving me a posting of a video on burning witches - blood will be on your hands as well as on the hands of those directly doing the violence.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-06   20:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

Mike it was a doll. I wasn't feeling revengeful. I did it for a laugh.

Thanks for posting people burning the Bible. When people give account for their actions at judgement day some of the evidence will be on my site.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-06   20:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Skip Intro (#24)

Blow you....Dream on faggot. Ban you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-06   20:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)

I hope you see I am making a point and not trying to slam your beloved icons.

Personally, I would not ever burn or desecrate anyone's sacred flag or book.

My point is that this Koran burning accomplishes nothing good. It makes the burners look bad, and invites an eye for an eye, which if happens enough makes the whole world blind, as Mohandas Gandhi once pointed out.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-06   20:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Mad Dog (#0)

This hasn't been a secret for at least 200 years.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-09-06   20:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#26)

No worries, I was happy you posted it as I felt it would help you understand the point I'm communicating.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-06   20:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

I don't disagree with your point. I also don't care if muslims don't like it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-06   20:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ferret Mike (#2)

I'm betting there will be a backlash from this childishness that will result in the deaths of U.S. servicemen.

You mean they are going to stop loving us so much,and throwing roses at US troops as they pass?

Give it up,Mike. They want to kill us for two reasons,and this ain't going to change.

The first one is because we are in Muslim countries killing Muslims,and the second reason is they consider us to be infidels.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-09-06   20:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#7) (Edited)

I've seen both the Bible and American Flag burned, usually at demonstrations.

I have too,but what I haven't seen is any prominent Christian religious leaders or elected officials calling for the people doing the burning to be put to death.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-09-06   20:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Mad Dog (#0) (Edited)

The other dirty little secret is while the Taliban were in power they almost completely eradicated the opium trade. Today, Afghanistan is once again the world's largest supplier of opium, heroin, and other opiates. Yet another bonus from Bush's ill-advised war.


the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-06   20:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ferret Mike, Mad Dog (#2)

I guess endangering troops is OK as long as Conserva Nutzies like you do it.

But sure, Mike - several videos of bible and flag burning helped you make some kind of point. Just not the point you intended.

Some might now that think that the point is....that you are actually defending Afghan Muzzies and their custom of boy-loving pedophilia. Not that your extensive spandex wardrobe, or admission of indifference of whether you were male or female, or your boasting of having several gay friends means anything at all.

Just sayin'...

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-06   20:59:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#11)

One of my favorite Audioslave songs!


the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-06   21:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ferret Mike, Mad Dog (#17)

My point is that one group doing something like that only doing it to Korans looks just as dumb as people burning American Flags or Bibles.

ou are just too thick to make the connection.

No, the "connection" you disingeuous twit is...That you're obviously a rabid anti-Christian and advocate for Muzzie pedophila practices that gross out American troops, Spandex-boy.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-06   21:05:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

Mad Dog / Iblewafartsky / Sucksabigschwantzky or whatever he calls himself doesn't have the intellectual bandwidth to comprehend anything you are saying.


the era of big government is over -- Bill Clinton

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-06   21:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Mad Dog, Ferret Mike (#18)

You are "disturbed" by FREE speech, BUT you see nothing even worth commenting on about the serial RAPE and abuse of young boys?

You just nailed Mikey's azz. (pun intended :-)

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-06   21:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro (#23)

Put tracking script here again and I will ban you permanently.

Is that what this POS Skippy was doing?

On a Muzzie-Man-Boy Love thread? Figures.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-06   21:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Skip Intro, A K A Stone (#24)

Blow me, Stone.

HA! Look who's trawling D-I-C-K.

Flung that closet WIDE open, eh Sweetie?

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-06   21:10:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Liberator (#40)

Is that what this POS Skippy was doing?

Yes, he learned it from Buckeroo.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-06   21:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike, Mad Dog (#25)

My point is giving you some empathy as to how the emotions of Muslims is exactly the same as yours' over a Bible or American Flag burning.

Sorry Mike. You've stepped in it already. Man-Boy Advocate.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-06   21:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone, Skip-Pee-Boy Love (#42)

Yes, he learned it from Buckeroo.

Another POS lacking any integrity whatsoever. Except Skippy was trawling DICK on a Muslim Boy-Love Pedophile thread.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-06   21:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ferret Mike (#28)

You're garbage in my book.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-06   21:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: sneakypete (#33) (Edited)

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-06   21:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: jwpegler (#34)

The other dirty little secret is while the Taliban were in power they almost completely eradicated the opium trade. Today, Afghanistan is once again the world's largest supplier of opium, heroin, and other opiates. Yet another bonus from Bush's ill-advised war.

So much for "tracking 0bama down."

As it turns out, the America taxpayer has paid $250 billion dollars to help a resurgence of the opium trade in Afghanistan. NOT including the cost in human life.

Liberator  posted on  2010-09-06   21:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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