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Title: Government forces Craigslist to Remove "Adult Services"
Source: PC Magazine
URL Source: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368717,00.asp
Published: Sep 4, 2010
Author: David Murphy
Post Date: 2010-09-04 20:36:06 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 11622
Comments: 12

Craigslist was expected to have earned an estimated $36 million from advertising associated with its Adult Services section in 2010—at least, that was the case when we first reported the projections from Advanced Interactive Media in late April of this year.

You can now expect that number to drop significantly, as Craigslist has removed its Adult Services section for U.S. visitors. The move surely comes as a relief to the various entities that have been petitioning for Craigslist to shut down the section—including human rights groups and more than 17 attorneys general from states across the nation.

There's no indication that Craigslist has removed its Adult Services section for good, however. Although links to the site are now eliminated when accessing the main Craigslist page from an IP addressed based in the United States, one can still pull up the page from other countries. There's been no comment from any Craigslist spokespeople whatsoever—officially or otherwise—related to the matter.

"The increasingly sharp public criticism of craigslist's Adult Services section reflects a growing recognition that ads for prostitution -- including ads trafficking children -- are rampant on it," read a letter signed by the 17 attorneys general.

"In our view, the company should take immediate action to end the misery for the women and children who may be exploited and victimized by these ads. Because craigslist cannot, or will not, adequately screen these ads, it should stop accepting them altogether and shut down the Adult Services section."

Craigslist normally doesn't charge for most listings on its website: only job posts in the San Francisco Bay Area ($75), job postings elsewhere ($25), brokered apartment listings in New York ($10), and adult services or therapeutic services postings ($10).

In regards to the latter, the aforementioned $36 million estimation would have made up roughly one-third of the company's total yearly revenue. That's quite a chunk of change for Craigslist to just give away—especially when it's labeled as "censorship" instead of a simple, silent removal.

According to Craigslist CEO Jim Buckmaster, the company started manually screening listings posted to the site's Adult Services section in May of 2009, an attempt to self-police against advertisements that fell short of Craigslist's posting guidelines. More than 700,000 listings were nuked by the site's watchdogs in such a fashion.

"Before being posted each individual ad is reviewed by an attorney licensed to practice law in the US, trained to enforce craigslist's posting guidelines, which are stricter than those typically used by yellow pages, newspapers, or any other company that we are aware of," he wrote.


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Screw the first amendment. It's just too inconvenient in this modern, government dominated world.

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#1. To: jwpegler (#0)

Screw the first amendment. It's just too inconvenient in this modern, government dominated world.

I tend toward the libertarian (the least gov't the better), but reading the article and your comment caused me to remember this quote:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
-- John Adams

I think we're seeing the devolution of mankind, and that truism unfold right before our very eyes.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   20:50:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ignore Amos (#1)

Oh come on. There is no pressure whatsoever on Craigslist's major competitor Backpage.com to remove their adult section.

Why not? Maybe Backpage.com has thrown more campaign donations around than Craigslist.

When I was at Microsoft in the 90s, Microsoft contributed almost nothing to politicians. Bill Gates used to say that the only way he could get hurt in D.C. was if he fell down the capital steps. Then Bill Clinton viciously attacked Microsoft and tanked the stock. Clinton did so because Microsoft's competitors in California (Oracle, Sun, Google, etc) were HUGE campaign contributors to the Democrat Party.

Microsoft learned their lesson and they are now one of the largest corporate campaign contributors in the country.

Craigslist needs to learn their lesson too and go buy off a bunch of politicians as well.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   21:07:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jwpegler (#2)

Oh come on.

I guess I didn't understand your reference to the First Amendment in your first post.

Unequally applying the force of gov't is another matter. If backpage.com is being held to a different standard than craigslist.com, then of course it illustrates a corruption problem.

I thought your beef was with the idea that craigslist was being censored at all.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   21:18:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ignore Amos (#3) (Edited)

I thought your beef was with the idea that craigslist was being censored at all.

My beef is both.

A.) The government has no right to censor free speech.

B.) They are corrupt because they are censoring one company (Craigslist) but not another (Backpages.com).

This trumped up BS about "child trafficking" is a bunch of nonsense designed to stir outrage among the general population.

Furthermore, there are sites that are 100% dedicated to advertising "adult services". This is a great example. Is the government harassing them? Nope.

This is all political.

I thought that you were smarter than to fall for this crap.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   21:27:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: jwpegler (#5)

I thought that you were smarter than to fall for this crap.

I'm not sure of which crap you refer.

I'll admit that I'm not up on a lot of what goes on, though. I was barely aware of craigslist, and I'd never heard of backpage.com at all.

That said, I'm not shy about stating my beliefs. And this may fall into that 10 percent or so where you and I don't agree.

My reason for citing the Adams quote I thought was obvious. In the extreme, if you had a completely moral people, you wouldn't need laws at all.

Now I know (as I'm sure Adams did, too) that a completely moral people is a pipedream. So he and others created what we know as our Constituion - a part of which is the First Amendment.

I'll not get into the religious area of his quote - because I believe one can be moral and not be religious (just as one can be immoral and be religious).

But the moral point should be obvious. Would laws against murder be needed if people didn't murder? Would laws against stealing be needed if people didn't steal?

I know these are extreme examples - but they illustrate the point.

The force against the First Amendment (which I believe the Founders meant to protect political speech, but I have no problem with its wider application to include all speech) will come from things that the Founders could not have even had nightmares about.

Child pornography for one. Now - I realize that do-good, well meaning people will chip away at 1A with well-intentioned laws along these lines.

And eventually, big-corrupt gov't will expand these laws into other areas.

And doesn't that make Adams quote true?

I don't believe I'm buying into any "crap" here.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   21:54:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ignore Amos (#7) (Edited)

I'm not sure of which crap you refer.

The "crap" is the pretense by government that their actions against Craigslist have anything at all to do with morality. They don't. One way or another, this is all about politics -- either campaign donations or the career ambitions of the state Attorney Generals.

Child pornography for one.

This is the one single area where I make an exception to my otherwise absolutist view of the first amendment. Of course child pornography should be illegal. Children cannot consent to sexual activity. They certainly cannot consent to sexual activity in front of the camera. Most reasonable people across the political spectrum can agree to this exception.

Craigslist is not engaged in child pornography.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   22:04:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: jwpegler (#8)

The "crap" is the pretense by government that their actions against Craigslist have anything at all to do with morality.

Thanks for clearing that up.

One thing we can always be sure of: The stated purpose of any government action is usually NOT its purpose.

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#10. To: Ignore Amos (#9)

Thanks for clearing that up.

You're welcome!

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   22:10:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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