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Title: Don’t Tread On Me’ Flags Start Disputes Around the Country
Source: Yahoo News/Youtube Video
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMzmhDpfSCM
Published: Sep 2, 2010
Author: n/a
Post Date: 2010-09-02 00:13:53 by Murron
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Views: 6931
Comments: 7

Don’t Tread On Me’ Flags Start Disputes Around the Country

An Arizona man is in trouble with his homeowners' association over flying the Gadsden flag, which features a coiled rattlesnake and the words "Don't Tread on Me."

The flag has been adopted by members of the tea party movement for its association with the American Revolution, but Andy McDonel tells the New York Times that he has hung the flag from his roof simply for its historical significance.

Watch a report on the dispute from Fox News:

Arizona has a state statute that allows Arizonans to fly "the Stars and Stripes, the state flag, flags representing Indian nations as well as the official flags of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard," the Times reports.

McDonel's homeowners' association is strictly interpreting that law to ban the flying of any other flags, including the Gadsden. The American Civil Liberties Union is defending McDonel, saying the homeowners' group is taking too strict a view of the statute and restricting McDonel's right to free speech.

McDonel is chronicling his struggle on a blog, where he is asking for donations for a potential legal battle.

McDonel isn't the only person to run into a dispute over the historic flag.

Eric Smith of Thornton, Colo., said he and his neighbor were sent a letter by their homeowners' association that said "Tea Party flags are not permitted. Please Remove." They were threatened with a $100-a-month fine for flying the Gadsden flag.

Colorado has a statue similar to Arizona's that specifies which flags are allowed to be flown. The homeowners' association eventually reversed its demand, saying his flag fell into the category of "political signs" instead of flags and was thus allowed.

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Meanwhile, a group of retired Marines in Connecticut is fighting for the flag to be flown over the state Capitol, after the Capitol police denied their request because the flag is not the official Marines flag.

"I'd learned about in the Marine Corps. It's one of the first, if not the first, Marine Corps flag," retired Marine Patrick Rubino told FoxNews.com. "They even flew it over our bases in Afghanistan and Iraq while I was there."

In March, House Republicans created a stir amid the hard-fought vote on health care reform by grabbing a Gadsden flag from the anti-reform crowd assembled outside the Capitol and brandishing it from within the building.

The flag is named after Col. Christopher Gadsden, a Continental Congress delegate from South Carolina. The flag was flown by the Navy in 1775 -- but owes its design to the famous "Join or Die" icon that Benjamin Franklin created in the 1750s to promote unity among American colonists. And that message seems more remote than ever, with contemporary political insurgents, colonial history buffs, state legislatures and civil liberties advocates all battling over the image's contested symbolic meaning. (1 image)

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#1. To: Murron (#0) (Edited)

Arizona has a state statute that allows Arizonans to fly "the Stars and Stripes, the state flag, flags representing Indian nations as well as the official flags of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard," the Times reports.

McDonel's homeowners' association is strictly interpreting that law to ban the flying of any other flags, including the Gadsden.

It appears the homeowners' association is taking the socialistic position that if the government doesn't say we can, we can't. That, according to the bullies and little Hitlers at the homeowners' association, we must have approval from the government to do something BEFORE we do it.

Strange. I thought Americans lived in a free country where if something wasn't specifically outlawed, we were free (not ALLOWED, but FREE) to do it.

Silly me.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-09-02   0:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Murron (#0)

There will come a day, soon hopefully, when the "powers to be" have a wee bit more on their hands to worry about the likes of these socialists on these HOAs.

At that time, all debts will be paid in full, with interest.

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-09-02   1:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

The American Civil Liberties Union is defending McDonel, saying the homeowners' group is taking too strict a view of the statute and restricting McDonel's right to free speech.

Didn't you claim that this was a 9th amendment issue?

/moron

war  posted on  2010-09-02   8:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)

The American Civil Liberties Union

Does this make you want to rethink your position?

war  posted on  2010-09-02   8:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Wood_Chopper (#1)

It appears the homeowners' association is taking the socialistic position that if the government doesn't say we can, we can't. That, according to the bullies and little Hitlers at the homeowners' association, we must have approval from the government to do something BEFORE we do it.

Strange. I thought Americans lived in a free country where if something wasn't specifically outlawed, we were free (not ALLOWED, but FREE) to do it. Silly me.

You have part of that right, by that I mean, just because the gubmint 'outlawed' something, doesn't make it right, especially if it conflicks with a person's individual right, as long as that right does no harm to another person.

That flag on his private property harms NO ONE, it offends assholes is what it does, but it does not infringe upon their rights, they have no right to not be offended! jmho!

"If you laid all of our laws end to end, there would be no end." - Mark Twain

Islam's symbols: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our swords, and the faithful are our army." - Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan in 1998.

Murron  posted on  2010-09-02   12:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Murron (#5)

I like your Mark Twain quote.


"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-09-02   12:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Fred Mertz (#6)

"I like your Mark Twain quote."

Thank you suh....&;-)

Islam's symbols: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our swords, and the faithful are our army." - Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan in 1998.

Murron  posted on  2010-09-02   15:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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