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Bush Wars Title: Mr. Bush, I have one question: What would Ronald Reagan do? - You know what he'd do. I'm not sure you have the courage to do it Memo to Bush: They were tortured! The ''missing'' U.S. soldiers were found – at least what was left of them. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said, ''Coalition forces have recovered what we believe are the remains of the soldiers.'' Sir, if not the ''remains'' of the men, what else might they have been? Those soldiers,lest we forget, had names. Pfc. Thomas Tucker, 25, was from Madras, Ore. Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, 23, was from Houston, Texas. Don't forget their names. Gen. Caldwell wanted to spare the families when he wouldn't comment on early reports the men had been tortured before they died. He did say, ''they had been killed.'' Thank you general, but somehow when indistinguishable piles of human flesh and bones are found booby-trapped and surrounded with IED's (improvised explosive devices) to better kill any rescuers – it goes without saying they ''were killed.'' ABC reported on the general being asked to confirm the two men had been taken prisoner before dying. What idiot reporter asked that question? The good general, with a straight face, I assume, responded that the men hadn't reached the place where they were found by their own efforts. At least, I think he said that with a straight face. Which is just as well because taking American soldiers prisoner, torturing and brutalizing them, killing them with righteous glee and then bragging about it as a fulfillment of God's wishes and that the victims were ''slaughtered like crusader animals'' is not exactly a lighthearted matter. Those aren't my words; those are from al-Qaida. Where is the outrage over this? Where is the thundering from our government about what was done to these two young men? In fact, where is something – anything – from our president, our Commander in Chief? Not a word. Mr. Bush, where are you? Didn't anyone tell you this happened? Bad enough the two soldiers are dead, but they were brutally tortured before they were killed. They were so badly mutilated they couldn't be identified except through DNA testing. Think about that. No one has provided any specifics, but what has leaked out is bad enough: bodies cut apart while they were living, hearts cut out, eyes gouged, sex organs cut off and stuffed into body orifices, limbs cut and twisted, who knows what else – and then, of course, the Islamic coup de grace: slit the throat, bleed the body and cut the head off. Remember, al-Qaida bragged the men were ''slaughtered like crusader animals.'' I think details like this should be made public. We don't need to be protected by squeamish media and military who fear stimulating anger against the enemy. What's wrong with anger against an enemy, especially an enemy so callous, barbaric and intentionally cruel? We need to know the enemy in order to defeat him. We'd better get angry, and soon. If not, we give them permission to do it again and again and again. And they'll love every minute of it. If this were 1945, we'd never be shown pictures of the death camps lest we feel anger for the Nazis. If this were 1945, we'd lose the war. Military-speak can be nauseating. There was the effort not to say publicly that Menchaca and Tucker were dead before their families had been notified. That's understandable, but in these days of immediate media coverage and when a situation like this is impossible to control, for the Army to maintain the posture of saying as little as possible is absurd. How long does it take to contact families? Is there anyone who thought the two men would be found alive after being kidnapped from a checkpoint after an insurgent attack? By the way, there's another name in this incident we should remember. 26-year-old Spc. David J. Babineau of Springfield, Mass. was a member of the same patrol as the two kidnapped soldiers. Perhaps he was lucky; the insurgents killed him on the scene. The military had no problem identifying him. His body was there; he was dead. Simple as that. Don't forget him. It wasn't so simple with Menchaca and Tucker because they weren't just killed nor were their bodies just dumped near an electrical plant. The al-Qaida terrorists who took them away had their sadistic pleasure with them before the final mercy of death. But will we know what happened to them, aside from the fact that they were ''tortured'' before they died? Note, before they died. Maj. Gen. Abdul Aziz Mohammed, of the Iraqi Defense Ministry, said the men were ''tortured in a barbaric fashion.'' But beyond that, nothing. No details. No information. Perhaps they want us to think the Islamist terrorists used the same ''torture'' American's are accused of. After all, the U.S. continues to be berated for ''torturing'' prisoners. Perhaps the two young Americans were stripped. Maybe they had underwear put on their heads. Perhaps they had fake electrical wires attached to their bodies. Maybe, a dog barked and growled at them. According to liberals, that's torture. And we know it must be, because just days before the attack on the patrol, a group of evangelical, Christian, Jewish and Muslim (!) religious leaders began a campaign to influence the U.S. government to ''abolish torture now – and without exception.'' As if that's our policy. Funny how after the kidnapping and the discovery of the two mutilated and unidentifiable bodies, this fine group of ''religious'' leaders (who are so interested in justice) has not said one word. Their silence is more than deafening and their hypocrisy is simply disgusting. I find it hard to believe their God would sanction their lack of response. But they continue in their sanctimony. But they're not the only hypocrites. The media and politicians are, as well. We have members of our military in jail for ''torture,'' but the people they supposedly abused are living and breathing and in one piece. We have military members facing possible death sentences for supposed mistreatment and deaths of Iraqi's while at the same time it's revealed two American soldiers were murdered by Iraqi's who were on patrol with them. It was first thought terrorists killed them. Wrong. They were murdered by our supposed friends. It took 2 years for the truth to come out. Consider too, that in the midst of all this, our military are required to be subjected to PC-brainwashing classes in how to appreciate the ''enemy'' and their ''culture'' and how to get along with them. If we don't unleash retaliation for the horribly cruel deaths of these two young soldiers immediately, the politicians who represent this country in Washington all deserve to lose their jobs and that includes the president. Mr. Bush, I have one question: What would Ronald Reagan do? You know what he'd do. I'm not sure you have the courage to do it.
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Well Todd, I'm sorry these men died.. but what did we honestly expect? We've killed tens of thousands of their fellow Iraqui's, attacked their homes, schools and infrastructure. Brought disease, poverty and despair. We've bombarded them with DU. We're establishing "enduring bases" in their back yard. We've imprisoned over 50,000 of them and only charged a tiny percentage with any crime. We've driven unemployment to around 50% - by the way, what do you think these impoverished people are going to do all day and who will they blame for their plight? We've tortured, maimed and killed with no regard for the Geneva Convention or any other standard of wartime morality and we've done it all for nothing. Absolutely nothing. Now what the fuck do you think they're going to do when they get a shot at retalliation? What would you do against foreign invaders in such a scenario and would you have a guilty concience just because they labled you an "insurgent" And as far as Reagan goes, he pulled out of Lebanon.. You're right, the arrogant pinhead we've got running the show doesn't have the nads to admit defeat and leave the region. I'm against this war, we need to lose it for our own sake, if for no other reason.. and I sincerely hope we do. Further, if you want to punish anyone for the deaths of these two men, you'll find the guilty parties in Washington DC.
I've come to the conclusion that a lot of the people who support the war are just plain immoral or even evil. They say take their oil, kill them all, let god sort them out, nuke them, turn it into a skating rink. Strangely the people who tout what I just mentioned think they are on some kind of moral highground. Idiots they are.
Oh, I know.. like they're talking about inventory, as opposed to human beings. Got news for them, God created these people also also. He never said "Thou shalt not do murder, except to ragheads and sand niggers."
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