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Title: Economy in U.S. Grew a Revised 1.6% in Second Quarter
Source: Bloomberg News
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com
Published: Aug 27, 2010
Author: Bob Willis
Post Date: 2010-08-27 08:48:46 by war
Keywords: None
Views: 44746
Comments: 61

Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy grew at a 1.6 percent annual rate in the second quarter, less than previously calculated as companies reined in inventories and the trade deficit widened. The revised increase in gross domestic product was bigger than the median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News and compares with a 2.4 percent estimate issued last month, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Corporate profits climbed. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, who addresses central bankers from around the world today in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, may shed more light on policy makers’ outlook in the wake of reports that signaled a growing risk of a renewed U.S economic slump. Slowdowns in housing, business investment and consumer spending are prompting economists to cut second-half growth forecasts. “We’ve got a recovery that is stalling but we’re not expecting a double dip,” Paul Ballew, chief economist at Nationwide Mutual Insurance Co. in Columbus, Ohio, said before the report. “A very slow, hesitant recovery is playing out.” Stock-index futures rose and Treasury securities fell after the report. Futures on the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index gained 0.7 percent to 1,052 at 8:35 a.m. in New York. The yield on the 10- year Treasury note rose to 2.54 percent from 2.48 percent late yesterday. Economists projected a 1.4 percent rate of growth in the second quarter, according to the median estimate in the Bloomberg survey in which estimates ranged from 0.5 percent to 2.2 percent. The economy grew at a 3.7 percent pace in the first quarter. Today’s GDP estimate is the second for the quarter, with the final figures set for release on Sept. 30.

Consumer Spending

Today’s report showed consumer spending, which accounts for about 70 percent of the economy, rose at a 2 percent annual rate in the second quarter compared with a previously reported 1.6 percent pace. The revision reflected revised electricity and

natural gas usage data, the Commerce Department said. Purchases increased at a 1.9 percent rate from January through March. A lack of job growth, declines in household wealth following slumps in stocks and housing, and the drive to reduce debt and boost savings are reasons consumer spending may struggle to strengthen. Figures this week showing a further slide in home sales and a drop in business spending on equipment prompted economists such as Joseph LaVorgna of Deutsche Bank Securities Inc. to reduce third-quarter growth estimates.

Recession Odds

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics Inc. this week said the likelihood of the economy slipping back into a recession is now 33 percent, up from a 20 percent chance 12 weeks ago. New York University economist and forecaster Nouriel Roubini, who predicted the financial crisis, said the odds of a return to recession at 40 percent. The economy is a top issue for voters in the November congressional elections and polls show the public is increasingly skeptical of President Barack Obama’s performance. Public approval for the president’s handling of the economy was at 41 percent in an Aug. 11-16 Associated Press-GfK survey, an all-time low and down from 50 percent last July. The trade gap in the second quarter widened to $445 billion, compared with an initial estimate of $425.9 billion, subtracting 3.37 percentage points from growth, the biggest reduction since record-keeping began in 1947, today’s report showed. Imports grew at a 32.4 percent pace, the most since 1984.

Fewer Inventories

Slower inventory accumulation contributed 0.63 percentage points to second-quarter growth. The Commerce Department said in its initial report that stockpiles added 1.05 percentage points to growth after adding 2.64 percentage points in the first three months. Today’s report also showed gross domestic income, or the money earned by the people, businesses and government agencies whose purchases go into calculating growth, rose at a 2.3 percent annual rate from April through June. By comparison, GDP expanded 3.6 percent from April through June before adjusting for inflation. According to Fed research, GDI is a better gauge of the economy. Revisions to first-quarter income showed a gain of 4.1 percent, compared with a 5.6 percent pace initially reported. GDP before adjusting for changes in prices rose at a 4.8 percent pace from January through March. While the income and GDP should theoretically match, the different methods used in calculating the numbers cause them to sometimes diverge.

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#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)

I lost a lunch on this. Thought for sure it would revise below 1%.

war  posted on  2010-08-27   8:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: war (#0)

The Kenyan Depression

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-27   8:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: no gnu taxes (#2)

We've been in the same recession since 2007 when you spanking to your hero every AM.

war  posted on  2010-08-27   8:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#2)

The economy is doing exactly what I and many others predicted a year ago.

And this is why the Democrats will get a landslide loss this November, and why Owe-bama is a one term failure of historical proportions in 2012.

btw, I checked the article for accuracy, anti groupie didn't edit it.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-27   9:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war (#3)

We've been in the same recession since 2007

I stand corrected.

The Pelosi/Reid/Kenyan depression, that is.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-27   9:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: no gnu taxes (#5) (Edited)

Nope. It was pretty apparent in 2006 that was where were headed. It's why your hero's buddies got their asses kicked in 2006.

war  posted on  2010-08-27   9:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#5)

We've been in the same recession since 2007 I stand corrected.

Inadvertently admitting since Pelosi became Speaker and Reid Senate Majority Leader, the economy has crashed due to their insane economic actions.

I do love this.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-27   9:11:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#6)

The economy had nothing to with it.

Reasons for the Democratic party takeover include the decline of the public image of George W. Bush, the dissatisfaction of the handling of both Hurricane Katrina and the War in Iraq, Bush's legislative defeat regarding Social Security Reform, and the culture of corruption, which were the series of scandals in 2006 involving Republican politicians.

Also, all false conceptions.

This is 100% the Pelosi/Reid/Kenyan depression which is why 2/3 of the dastardly trio will be irrelevant in 2 months.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-27   9:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: no gnu taxes (#8)

The economy had nothing to with it.

Bullshit.

war  posted on  2010-08-27   9:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#1)

My Reports had ALL the BigBoys dropping to 1.5.

Remember a week ago?

It's worse than that. CMI which has been matching with a 91 Day lead has GDP down 5.57%. A roughly 7% drop from here.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   9:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#9)

The economy had nothing to with it.

Bullshit.

We vote with our pocketbook. everytime.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   9:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#3)

We've been in the same recession since 2007

Yep. From my perspective, the economy tanked in Oct 2007 and steadily got worse until April 2010. We had a little pickup in business in April through June and then it went south again in July. That pickup was largely due to people moving economic activity from 2011 to this year to avoid higher taxes.

It WILL get much worse next year.


American public policy has been dominated by Democrats who don't care and Republicans that don't dare -- Dick Armey

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-27   10:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: jwpegler (#12)

The pickup was all housing related. I recognize asset reallocation for tax purposes...we didn;t have that this year. If we did, it would still be happening...you'd see distressed properties being snapped up like mad.

war  posted on  2010-08-27   10:11:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: jwpegler (#12) (Edited)

It WILL get much worse next year.

It will get much worse now.

Time's Up:

The best way for LF'ers to follow the Dragon King that is the Deepwater Horizon- A Great Name for a Label of what's coming:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BP

BP p.l.c. Common Stock (NYSE: BP)

Real Time: 34.80 Down 0.62 (1.75%) 10:11AM EDT

british petroleum's demise will make AIG look like a cake walk.

Continuing. Cool ANY attempt to maintain the plateau, will only result in a faster/steeper collapse as all energy that should be applied to slowing/ surfing the collapse will not now be available.

Olduvai Gorge is the canyon/depression/valley the PO Graphs are laying out. As the Non Linear Event/the Dragon King which is the DWH/Deepwater Horizon shows all. And the Good Guys get punished for revealing:

"I feel sick that people don't want to hear the truth about risk," he told me.

"Our lives have been one enormous, century-long oil spill, globally," Steiner said.

Biloxi dome. I have it marked as seep #3 and it is about 8.25 kilometers away. The average distance between all seven oil leaks and the Deepwater Horizon well is 6.8 miles or 11 kilometers. The 22 mile River of oil is now originating here.

Nothing has been fixed. It's a Zombie Well.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   10:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Fred Mertz, All (#14)

Ping to the above. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   10:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: jwpegler (#12)

It WILL get much worse next year.

How so?

war  posted on  2010-08-27   10:15:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war (#13)

The pickup was all housing related

A lot of the pickup was business replenishing depleted inventories. Manufacturing production was up 5.8% in April. It was down -4.4% in July.

Also, individual investors have been feeling the stock market this year. Part of that is based on the expectation that the markets will worsen in the future. Part of is people trying to avoid higher capital gains taxes.


American public policy has been dominated by Democrats who don't care and Republicans that don't dare -- Dick Armey

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-27   10:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: All (#15)

10 000 the Maginot Line for the PPT.

Dow Jones Industrial Average

(DJI: ^DJI)

Index Value: 10,006.62

Trade Time: 10:16AM EDT

Change: Up 20.81 (0.21%)

Prev Close: 9,985.81

Open: 9,982.18

Day's Range: 9,936.99 - 10,064.67

And just like the Maginot, the 'germans' are doing an end run. A break here and the AlgoBots will just stop trading, eh?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   10:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: jwpegler (#17)

A lot of the pickup was business replenishing depleted inventories.

Why were the inventories depleted? Someone had to be buying something.

war  posted on  2010-08-27   10:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mcgowanjm (#14)

I was glancing at the Thadmiral's transcript from yesterday's presser:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/08/25/99682/transcript-of-adm-thad-allens.html

He speaks in tongues...

But again as you know the hydrates come from mixing the hydrocarbons with the cold seawater at that pressure and has caused us problems before. But in this case we think that we've got them cleaned out of the system. Regarding the pipe, that is the subject of a lot of discussion right now. And it has to do with how effective we think the lower rams were in the blowout preventer needed closing around that pipe or actually shearing it when they were activated.

See what I mean?


"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-27   10:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: All (#18)

Intel Cuts Revenue, Gross Margin Forecast, Shares Halted

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/27/2010 09:00 -0500

OOPS.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   10:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: jwpegler (#17) (Edited)

Part of is people trying to avoid higher capital gains taxes.

The typical capital gain is from the sale of a house which is already abated.

You can avoid capital gains by simply rolling the gain into a new investment.

war  posted on  2010-08-27   10:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Fred Mertz (#20)

See what I mean?

And notice the Tell. He keeps drilling into minutiae that means nothing.

Like when I told my wife about them removing the BOP.

Her response: "Whatever happened to the Relief Wells?"

Couldn't have put it better. Just like the Soviet Union/Chernobyl. This will collapse us as the truth migrates.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   10:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#16)

Taxes are going up for sure both on earned income, capital gains, and dividends.

Healthcare insurance premiums are going up because of Obamacare.

If the GOP doesn't gain control of Congress we'll also get Cap and Trade, resulting in substantially higher energy costs and perhaps Card Check.

I think we'll see a handful of countries default on at least part of their debt.

Also, monetization of the growing U.S. debt could start a big round of inflation. We could be right back to the stagflation of the 1970s.


American public policy has been dominated by Democrats who don't care and Republicans that don't dare -- Dick Armey

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-27   10:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: war (#22)

You can avoid capital gains by simply rolling the gain into a new investment.

Right, but people are also paying down their credit card balances. We're at an 8 year low on credit card debt. Where is this money coming from? Some of it coming from people leaving the stock market.


American public policy has been dominated by Democrats who don't care and Republicans that don't dare -- Dick Armey

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-27   10:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: jwpegler (#24)

Healthcare insurance premiums are going up because of Obamacare.

Chuckles....right...they weren't going up anyway...

And Obama is not raising taxes. A GOP Congress 7 years ago did.

war  posted on  2010-08-27   10:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: jwpegler (#24) (Edited)

Also, monetization of the growing U.S. debt could start a big round of inflation.

Inflation isn't anywhere. Nowhere. Ain't going to happen.

war  posted on  2010-08-27   10:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#27)

8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   11:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mcgowanjm (#28)

It's fish Friday once again James - catch you later.

The Thadmiral talked a lot about a fishing experiment in his presser. The numerous inaudibles raised my suspicions.


"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-27   11:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

It's fish Friday once again James - catch you later.

Mahi-mahi?

war  posted on  2010-08-27   11:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: All (#28)

Apropo of nothing. And everything. I saw this quote:

Blogger res ipsa loquitur said...

You're always too young to lose your mother.

8:58 AM

mere mortals are we.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   11:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war (#30)

We meet at what we call the soup kitchen. We take what is available, usually three choices on the hot line.

Our other meeting place is what we call the prison cafeteria - there is only one choice for the hot plate.

Later...


"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-27   11:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Fred Mertz (#32)

Ha...

war  posted on  2010-08-27   11:20:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

It's fish Friday once again James - catch you later.

Bon Aux petit 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   11:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mcgowanjm (#31)

And let me get this in here, por favor ::)

per Morel & Cocales, because we keep coming back to this:

[quote="bloombergJune14"]When informed that extra centralizers were available in Houston and could be flown to the rig the same morning, BP well team leader John Guide responded, "It will take 10 (hours) to install them .... I (am) very concerned about using them."

BP drilling engineer Brett Cocales emailed Morel,"But, who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine and we'll get a good cement job.

"So Guide is right on the risk/reward equation."

Lawmakers said BP had flown a team of engineers from Schlumberger Ltd to the rig to perform a cement bond log to ensure that the cementing job was adequate, but decided not to use their services.

BP flew a crew from Schlumberger to the rig on April 18, but told them on the morning of April 20 that their services were not required, lawmakers said. The decision "may have been driven by concerns about expense and time," the lawmakers said.

The Schlumberger crew flew off the rig at 11:15 a.m. on April 20.

At 9:53 p.m. that evening, the rig exploded, and sank a mile beneath the Gulf of Mexico two days later.[/quote]

And this-TO's Harrell:

[quote] Mother Jones discusses how lawyer Tony Buzbee has obtained a signed statement from a sailor who was rescuing workers from the disaster. What they said is beyond belief. Seriously.

The sailor, who Buzbee refuses to name for fear of costing him his job, was on the ship's bridge when Deepwater Horizon installation manager Jimmy Harrell, a top employee of rig owner Transocean, was speaking with someone in Houston via satellite phone. Buzbee told Mother Jones that, according to this witness account, Harrell was screaming, "Are you fucking happy? Are you fucking happy? The rig's on fire! I told you this was gonna happen." [/quote]

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-27   12:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#26)

Chuckles....right...they weren't going up anyway...

But Obama promised us if we passed his plan that the average insurance premium WOULD GO DOWN.

Again, being a Democrat means you're never held accountable for your promises or predictions.

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-29   10:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#36)

A) His plan wasn't passed.

B) The plan that did pass hasn't been implemented yet.

C) I didn't support either plan.

war  posted on  2010-08-29   10:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#36)

Again, being a Democrat means you're never held accountable for your promises or predictions.

Chuckles...see Iraq....

war  posted on  2010-08-29   10:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: war (#37)

A) His plan wasn't passed.

B) The plan that did pass hasn't been implemented yet.

He did everything he could to pass the Health Care legislation.

He owns it.

B. Insurance companies are pro-active. They know that they have to cover people with existing conditions and they need to boost rates now.

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-29   11:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#38)

Chuckles...see Iraq....

Chuckles right back at you! Biden and Obama have claimed IRAQ is a huge success for this Admin.

Now it's set to blow up in their faces!

Chuckles!

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-29   11:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#40)

Chuckles right back at you! Biden and Obama have claimed IRAQ is a huge success for this Admin.

Feel free to buck up a post in which I agreed with them.

In point of fact, between you and I, someone does agree with them. Here's a hint...it ain't me, babe.

war  posted on  2010-08-29   14:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#39)

The Health Care industry got the bill it wanted. Just remember that.

war  posted on  2010-08-29   14:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: war (#42) (Edited)

The Health Care industry got the bill it wanted.

Huh???

Doctors didn't get what they wanted.

Hospitals didn't get what they wanted.

Medical device manufacturers didn't get what they wanted.

Big pharma was bought of by the Obama administration, so they are okay with the bill.

Obama tried to buy insurance companies off too. Many balked. Then the entire "debate" revolved around the Democrats demonizing insurance companies.


American public policy has been dominated by Democrats who don't care and Republicans that don't dare -- Dick Armey

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-29   14:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: war (#41)

In point of fact, between you and I, someone does agree with them. Here's a hint...it ain't me, babe.

Oh no, I don't agree with them. I don't see it as the success that they have portrayed it as.

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-29   16:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#42)

The Health Care industry got the bill it wanted. Just remember that.

And they did it, along with Big Pharma, by buying the Democratic Party and the Obama Administration.

The best government money can buy, and they bought it.

You voted in these fuckers War, Brian S and GO65. We're in this shit-storm because of the Democratic Congress.

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-29   16:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: jwpegler (#43)

The Health Care industry got the bill it wanted.

Huh???

Doctors didn't get what they wanted.

Hospitals didn't get what they wanted.

Medical device manufacturers didn't get what they wanted.

Who the hell are you Pegler for bringing up these "inconvenient" facts?

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?????

HOW DARE YOU EXPOSE WAR TO THESE QUESTIONS!!!!!

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-29   16:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: jwpegler (#43)

Doctors didn't get what they wanted.

Hospitals didn't get what they wanted.

Doctors are horrible businessmen. They think that getting stiffed by 30% of their patients and getting ripped off by Aetna and Cigna is better than getting 100% of their patients paid for.

So while I can give you a "Yea...i know" on this it puzzles the shit out of me as to why.

As far as I know, hospitals were not against this bill.

war  posted on  2010-08-29   17:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#44)

Oh no, I don't agree with them. I don't see it as the success that they have portrayed it as.

Your posts here called it a great victory.

war  posted on  2010-08-29   17:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#45)

You voted in these fuckers War

A) I didn;t vote for Obama or Schumer.

B) My Representative whom I did vote for because he's my neighbor voted "No".

war  posted on  2010-08-29   17:53:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: war (#47)

They think that getting stiffed by 30%

Yeah, such dumbasses. It's obviously better to get paid $5 by 100 percent of your patients than get paid $100 by 70 percent.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-29   17:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: war (#48)

Your posts here called it a great victory.

By 2007 it was a very good, even great, victory.

Not perfect, but hey, we still have about 70,000 men still in Germany don't we? That was a horribly run war that nearly 70 years later we still have an occupation force.

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-29   18:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: war (#49)

A) I didn;t vote for Obama or Schumer.

Stop acting like you did then.

B) My Representative whom I did vote for because he's my neighbor voted "No".

So you don't vote for a person based upon their stands on various positions? You vote for them due to their proximity of where they live w/r/t you??????

Where do you live and what do you do for a living? If I may ask.

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-29   18:09:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#52)

Stop acting like you did then.

I'll act however I want to act.

You on the other hand should stick a broom up your ass and sweep up on your way out.

war  posted on  2010-08-29   18:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#52)

So you don't vote for a person based upon their stands on various positions?

What good what it do?

war  posted on  2010-08-29   18:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: no gnu taxes (#50)

They aren't paid $5.00. Up here a GP gets about $90 for the visit. Specialists around $350-400.

war  posted on  2010-08-29   18:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#51)

By 2007 it was a very good, even great, victory.

You're out of your mind.

And don't throw the Cold War in my face. I've advocated no US boots on foreign soil for over 20 years.

war  posted on  2010-08-29   18:36:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: war (#56)

And don't throw the Cold War in my face. I've advocated no US boots on foreign soil for over 20 years.

I'll throw whatever I want in your face, and you'll like it!

;-?

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-29   18:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: war (#53)

I'll act however I want to act.

You on the other hand should stick a broom up your ass and sweep up on your way out.

Wow, you are a little bitch today!

Lighten up, it's Sunday.

Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-29   18:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: war (#55)

The numbers weren't meant to be taken literally; there was a point to be made. Why do you think doctors are reluctant to take Medicare/Medicaid patients even though they get paid "100% of the time"?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-08-29   19:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: no gnu taxes (#59)

Because of the paper work. One error and the claim is rejected. You make an error on an Aetna claim and it can be resolved with a call. Not so with the government. You make an error and you start all over.

I live on a block in which half are doctors.

war  posted on  2010-08-29   19:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#58)

Lighten up, it's Sunday.

I'm fine, thanks.

war  posted on  2010-08-29   19:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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