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Title: Economy Caught in Obama Depression, Not Recession
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/38831550
Published: Aug 26, 2010
Author: Jeff Cox
Post Date: 2010-08-26 09:10:19 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 4724
Comments: 17

Positive gross domestic product readings and other mildly hopeful signs are masking an ugly truth: The US economy is in a 1930s-style Depression, Gluskin Sheff economist David Rosenberg said Tuesday.

Writing in his daily briefing to investors, Rosenberg said the Great Depression also had its high points, with a series of positive GDP reports and sharp stock market gains.

But then as now, those signs of recovery were unsustainable and only provided a false sense of stability, said Rosenberg.

Rosenberg calls current economic conditions "a depression, and not just some garden-variety recession," and notes that any good news both during the initial 1929-33 recession and the one that began in 2008 triggered "euphoric response."

"Such is human nature and nobody can be blamed for trying to be optimistic; however, in the money management business, we have a fiduciary responsibility to be as realistic as possible about the outlook for the economy and the market at all times," he said.

The 1929-33 recession saw six quarterly bounces in GDP with an average gain of 8 percent, sending the stock market to a 50 percent rally in early 1930 as investors thought the worst had passed.

"False premise," Rosenberg said. "And guess what? We may well be reliving history here. If you're keeping score, we have recorded four quarterly advances in real GDP, and the average is only 3%."

Rosenberg's warning comes as a slew of major analysts—Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan among them—have slashed GDP projections for 2010 to the 1.5 to 2 percent range.

Chicago Federal Reserve President Charles Evans said in a speech Tuesday that the risk of a double-dip recession has escalated. He said government programs to help distressed homeowners have been ineffective and aren't helping the pivotal housing sector recover.

The dour outlooks come on the same day that the National Association of Realtors said home sales reached a 15-year low in June, dousing hopes that the industry had reached a bottoming point.

Rosenberg points out that the "overall economic malaise" has come despite aggressive efforts by the Federal Reserve to stimulate the economy through rate cuts. The central bank itself has scaled back its economic projections, has held steady on its balance sheet, and could be announcing another round of quantitative easing measures at its Jackson Hole summit this week.

"How's that for a reality check," Rosenberg said. "It's not too late, by the way, to shift course if you have stayed long this market."

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Its getting worse, just as I predicted in January. And the worst is yet to come.

God help this country in the year 2011 under this idiot man child POTUS.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-26   9:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Badeye (#1)

Its getting worse, just as I predicted five years ago with Katrina. And the worst is yet to come.

The Second Time in less than Five years the word Apocalypse used in louisiana:

But Cameron said the the oil giant has been running roughshod over the EPA, Coast Guard and scientific experts since the early days of the largest environmental disaster in U.S. history. He points to the use of the toxic dispersant, Corexit - BP says it weighed the risks and had government approval - and the company's blockade of outside inspection of the wellhead site.

"It's a bit like having the bank robbers run the video surveillance of the vault," says Cameron.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/08/26/2010-08-26_james_cameron_bp_opened_avatarstyle_pandoras_box_here_on_earth.html#ixzz0xiz3SvZp

The war has started. There will be no declaration.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-26   11:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

And what's really amazing.

The Markets are just barely positve(the PPT pulling out ALL the stops now) and ALL stox that I'm monitoring are POSITVE(everyone) by a few cents. Across the board. LMFAO It's over.

e need. When American Empire completes its fall, globalization falls with it (perhaps it already has). Globalization has tricked us into ignoring matters important to our health, and to the health of other species, in the name of enriching a few wealthy (mostly) white men who serve corporations.

We have abandoned work on extinction, child labor, working conditions, taxation, child labor, health, and pollution, while allowing a billion people to starve. We’ve done all this damage while allowing — and even encouraging — the few to loot the coffers of the many, even while the many are starving in numbers unimaginably large.

When the empire completes its fall, localization comes back in style. We’ll know all the non-human neighbors by name, and we will nurture them as they take care of us.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-26   11:08:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

Rosenberg Explains Why Not One New Home Priced Over $750,000 Sold In July Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/26/2010 09:15 -0500

The high-end market, in particular, is under tremendous pressure. In fact, it is becoming non-existent. Guess how many homes prices above $750k managed to sell in July. Answer — zero, nada, rien; and for the second month in a row."

OMFG 8D not one.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-26   11:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mcgowanjm (#4)

The high-end market, in particular, is under tremendous pressure. In fact, it is becoming non-existent. Guess how many homes prices above $750k managed to sell in July. Answer — zero, nada, rien; and for the second month in a row."

I know one sold in August for $1.4 million because a friend bought it.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-26   11:21:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mcgowanjm (#4) (Edited)

If new means never lived in, there were two sold in my area for over one million in July. 17 total mixed SF residential over 750,000 sold in that month.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-26   11:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mininggold (#6)

If new means never lived in, there were two sold in my area for over one million in July. 17 total mixed SF residential over 750,000 sold in that month.

rosenberg is posted alot. I'll nail it down.

Thanx. James. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-26   20:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lucysmom (#5) (Edited)

I know one sold in August for $1.4 million because a friend bought it.

I cashed in both of my 401ks over the last 18 months and paid the 10% penalty.

But we still have our house. In fact, we're hunkering down in our house, which is still worth well over $1m. We have $600k equity in the place. We're not going anywhere.

We're on a very private 3/4rds of an acre (because of the street shape, there is no one behind us and no one on one side of us) in a 23 home subdivision.

We're a 10 minute drive from AT&T Wireless and a 15 minute drive from the main Microsoft campus in heavy traffic, yet our lot is very private, basically in the country.

Still, we went two years where nothing could sell at all in our neighborhood. Last year those homes sold. Right now there have been a couple of houses for sale for a few months - but no big deal given the price points. So, we'll see.


American public policy has been dominated by Democrats who don't care and Republicans that don't dare -- Dick Armey

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-26   20:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mininggold (#6) (Edited)

https://ems.gluskinsheff.net/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fArticles%2fBreakfast_with_Dave_082610.pdf

Title: Burning Down the House (Zero homes sold last month or June over $750K Source: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/ URL Source: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/ Published: Aug 26, 2010 Author: Dave Rosenberg Post Date: 2010-08-26 16:56:32 by Nebuchadnezzar Keywords: None Views: 7

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12625

Dismiss at your leisure. This is Mish from California as well.

" Inventory is up, sales are down, sentiment has soured, and tax credits have gone poof.

Prices will follow.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock http://globaleconom..."

And whatever, but those charts are total collapse bad. Going back to JFK. Or you can source me your info. Thanx again. James

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-26   20:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mininggold (#6)

And thanx for the memories.

That Mish chart going back to JFK reminded me that my Dad built a Williamsburg for us 1963, $24,000. I remember the carpenter using a hand saw. ;}

http://www.colonial-realty.com/bin/web/real_estate?ZKEY=&acnt=AR215427&action=HOME_SEARCH&inwindow=&hs_action=VIEW_DETAIL&listing_id=REATOP50356278&start=0&grp=ALL

Single Family Home This home is also available for rent for$1,800 per month

$304,500 4 Bed 2 Bath 2010 Sq Ft

It beat the Hell out of this house. Unbelievable.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-26   21:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: jwpegler (#8)

I cashed in both of my 401ks over the last 18 months and paid the 10% penalty.

Jesus H. Christ.

I'm sorry about your predicament.

I haven't touched a penny of my IRA/401K money in the past 25 years even though I've had some rough times.

Good luck.


"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-26   21:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mcgowanjm (#10)

And thanx for the memories.

One of neighbors about 3/4 mile down the road from where I grew up had a Sears house.

I can't remember the numbers - say, $10-12K, back in the old days. Probably $400K today, or a few years ago anyway.


"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-26   21:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Fred Mertz (#12)

I can't remember the numbers - say, $10-12K, back in the old days. Probably $400K today, or a few years ago anyway.

I can get you a Top of the Line (or better) in this Broken Bow(Tulsa Suburb) for 1/2 what they're offering.

http://www.kiamichirealty.com/residential.html

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-08-26   21:41:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Fred Mertz (#11) (Edited)

The Democrats have a plan to confiscate your 401ks and force you to "invest" in government treasury bonds.

So even though I was forced to cash in my 401ks, I'm not at all unhappy, because at this point, the Democrats cannot steal it.


American public policy has been dominated by Democrats who don't care and Republicans that don't dare -- Dick Armey

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-26   21:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: jwpegler (#14)

Well, that is possible...Dims or Pubbies...no diff.

My retirement account was doing quite well in 2000, but it has been nearly flatlining since then. I think like you, it's a conspiracy to keep us slaves.


"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-26   21:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: whiningskank (#6)

If new means never lived in, there were two sold in my area for over one million in July. 17 total mixed SF residential over 750,000 sold in that month.

The only way a barack adoring flophouse needle-tracked tweaker derelict slut mattress like you have any over one million dollar residences nearby is if your alleyway cardboard McMansion happens to be near the Tenderloin.

Ya fake statist whore!!!!......you claimed to have worked the lofty position of US mail-girl....mailmen don't live in million dollar neighborhoods.....even in SF.....except for the street trash junkies.

"That" connects the dots I guess.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. Below is positively the most hilariously BS overflowing comment from the resident obamunist spent-condom EVER:) "This is WHY I left the GOP in the mid 90's. ." Dwarf

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-08-27   0:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: jwpegler (#8)

I cashed in both of my 401ks over the last 18 months and paid the 10% penalty.

Been there, done that, lost the t-shirt too.

I'm sorry.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-27   11:26:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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