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Title: Watchdogs labor to expose liars about military exploits
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URL Source: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/2 ... ogs-labor-to-expose-liars.html
Published: Aug 23, 2010
Author: LEE HILL KAVANAUGH
Post Date: 2010-08-23 21:58:06 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: mad dog
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Army Capt. Joshua Howard, a physician’s assistant at Fort Riley, Kan., ran across the newspaper story online about a Korean War veteran who was to be inducted into the Kansas National Guard Hall of Fame. In the accompanying photo, the veteran wore a khaki shirt covered with ribbons and medals, black bars and stripes. The story told how this veteran had received the military’s No. 2 and 3 awards for valor — the Distinguished Service Cross and the Silver Star — along with two Purple Hearts, one pinned on by Gen. Douglas MacArthur. And how he had been a prisoner of war in Korea for 5½ months. But the more Howard read, the more “those medals and his account of it all didn’t add up,” he said. He called friends to ask about the different medals. He e-mailed the photo and story. He wanted to know. “I work with guys here who have PTSD, soldiers who have lost legs and stuff, and they don’t have these super-cool medals and badges,” Howard said. Within days, the veteran’s face stared out from several websites, with other veterans questioning whether he was a real hero or a fake. It is a question that is being asked more and more these days. “It’s an epidemic of military fakers and liars out there,” said Mary Schantag of Branson, who has made it her job to expose fake POWs. So far this year, Schantag and her retired Marine husband, Chuck, have received requests to check almost 8,000 names to verify POW claims. Last year, they ran more than 14,000 names. The Schantags, along with Vietnam veteran Doug Sterner of Virginia, are members of the 22-member Stolen Valor Task Force, a group of veterans and military researchers across the country who share information to expose military impostors. Self-taught experts, they collect tidbits of information every day from dozens of sources; file Freedom of Information requests; and gather notes from general orders, historical accounts and prisoner of war records. They scrutinize the material, cross-check it with other sources and build databases. Their goal is to have a searchable repository of all earned medals of valor. A place where the public can read stories about heroes who otherwise might be forgotten. Every one of the task force members knew a real hero who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. And every one has vowed to stop those who would steal another’s valor. It was task force members who pushed Congress to approve the 2006 Stolen Valor Act, which strengthened existing laws covering the unauthorized wearing of or laying claim to military decorations. The act made it a crime to lie about one’s military service. The law is being challenged on First Amendment free speech grounds in several states. It was upheld in California. But last week in Colorado, a federal judge dismissed a case against a man who falsely claimed he was a Marine captain who had been wounded while serving in Iraq and had received a Purple Heart and a Silver Star. U.S. District Judge Robert Blackburn said the law unconstitutionally punished speech based on its content without a compelling government interest to justify the restriction. The decision set precedent only in Colorado, but it may open up more challenges nationwide. Out of the thousands of people who have lied about or exaggerated their service, Sterner said, only about 55 have been prosecuted for false valor claims, and most have not received stiff punishments. Last month, federal prosecutors agreed to drop a Stolen Valor charge against Timothy J. Watkins of Kansas City, North, if he completed 18 months of pretrial supervision without a problem. As part of the diversion agreement, Watkins agreed that he had lied about his military history and receiving the Purple Heart and Silver Star. Some may look at these cases and ask: What’s the big deal? Who cares if the stories aren’t true? What harm is done? But many veterans are outraged every time a military faker is exposed. They see a crime against the honor of those who really did charge up hills, wipe out machine-gun positions, drag wounded buddies to safety and endure terrible wounds — or even death. Every valor award comes at a very high cost, said John V. Lilyea, a retired Army sergeant first class in West Virginia who runs the website This Ain’t Hell, But You Can See It From Here. “We’re so tired of these guys who say they’re heroes and they’re really fakers,” he said. Lilyea said he has had to tell grieving families that a loved one could not be buried with military honors because he had lied about his service. “If we catch them while they’re alive, they have a chance to explain it and maybe redeem themselves,” he said. ••• The Schantags, who split their time between homes in Branson and Skidmore, Mo., founded the POW Network ( www.pownetwork.org). The nonprofit is not affiliated with the government, nor is it paid for its work. Mary Schantag said the operation functions solely on donations. It is a labor of love for the couple. And there is plenty of labor to do. Twenty years ago, the Schantags considered two dozen names a year to be a high number. Now they get about three dozen requests a day. On certain days of the year, the phone rings nearly nonstop. “The three worst days for us are the days after Memorial Day, Fourth of July and Veterans Day,” Mary Schantag said. Prime days for reminiscing about past glories — real or not. When the Schantags started this work in 1989, their goal was only to find missing former POWs. But something happened along the way. “We started finding out about a lot of phonies and fakers,” she said. ••• Sterner believes in heroes. He believes in their ability to inspire. He believes their stories should be told, remembered and treasured. But the military, while keeping miles of paper records, had never put them into a searchable online database. So Sterner set out to create his own. Over the past 16 years, he has compiled in one database all the information he could find on the recipients of the military’s top three awards for valor: the Medal of Honor, the Distinguished Service Cross (including the Navy Cross and Air Force Cross) and the Silver Star. It is slow, slogging work. Last year, with donations not keeping up with costs, he nearly had to close it down. But the Military Times newspaper saw its value and bought the database from him. Sterner is now its main curator. The database — at www.militarytimes.com/hallofvalor — is easily searchable, with every Medal of Honor and Distinguished Service Cross citation from every war the U.S. has fought in. (The compilation of Silver Stars is not yet complete.) The process of tracking down military records is daunting. Some information is buried in the files of an entire unit instead of those of individuals. Some records were lost in a 1973 fire in a military records center in St. Louis. But Sterner has made a home in cyberspace for the really big honors. Future generations can read what their loved ones did, Sterner said, “so we won’t forget.” A few years ago, Sterner helped a Kansas City woman confirm her deceased father’s heroism. Twenty-three years after his death, the family received a funeral for him with full military honors in Arlington National Cemetery. But what Sterner started as a way to help the public remember military heroes has become the go-to resource for verifying or disproving accounts of valor. “I have never found Doug’s site to be inaccurate,” said Tom Cottone Jr., a former FBI agent in Washington, D.C. Cottone, who retired two years ago, spent 14 years ferreting out military impostors, focusing mostly on those who falsely claimed to be Medal of Honor recipients. Sterner, he said, “is extremely careful and diligent when he puts someone’s record on the site.” And if someone’s name is not there, that says a lot, too. ••• The Korean veteran’s story, published in April in a Kansas newspaper, illustrates how fast an account can spread, catching the eyes of veterans and watchdogs within days. The story told about the veteran’s pending induction into the Kansas National Guard Hall of Fame, an honor for which he had been nominated by city officials and others in his hometown. He is a local hero, representing veterans in parades and the honor guard, playing taps, folding the flag to present to widows at funerals. He also is in poor health, his family says. (The Kansas City Star is not publishing his name because he has not been charged under the Stolen Valor Act.) The story included, word for word, two sentences from the framed medal citations the veteran displayed in his office. Watchdog groups and other veterans pored over the photograph, scrutinizing the medals. Some filed Freedom of Information requests to corroborate or expose his claims, searching archives and the National Personnel Records Center and reports for general order numbers from the citations for his Distinguished Service Cross and Silver Star. No one found any evidence that the Kansan had received the awards he claimed, or been a POW, or even seen combat. His records indicated he was in Korea about a month. “This guy … had so many red flags I couldn’t believe that no one had questioned him before,” Mary Schantag said. “The first thing everybody noticed was that (he) refused to show proof of his records. Most guys, despite being reluctant, will show what they did because it means so much. … It costs so much in human terms to get these awards. “He showed it only to his family and the friends who went into his office … until he was (to be) inducted into the hall of fame.” Other veterans said they asked the Kansan to release his military records with his privacy sections redacted. It would still show his awards and honors. He refused, they said. Officials at the Guard Hall of Fame said the veteran told them that he had asked the military to not put his honors on his records because he did not deserve them. That made veterans doubt his story more. Meanwhile, in Topeka, Doug Jacobs, board president of the Guard Hall of Fame, started his own investigation, calling and writing military offices, trying to get the elusive records to “prove this man’s innocence,” he said. Days later, Jacobs received a phone message from Arlington, Va. The voice was that of Sterner. The Star had asked Sterner to run through his database two sentences from the veteran’s Distinguished Service Cross, or DSC, citation. From the 812 DSC narratives from the Korean War, the computer made one hit: a word-for-word match with a passage describing one man’s heroism. And it was not the Kansas veteran’s. It was that of Army Sgt. 1st Class Richard J. Hartnett, who had gone back to Pennsylvania after the war and died in 2003. The Star then called back the reporter who had written the original story. The reporter had taped the hourlong interview and had photocopied the medal citations from the nominee’s office wall. As The Star began to read Hartnett’s entire citation, the other reporter gasped. Except for the name, date and location, they were identical. Sterner then ran the Kansan’s Silver Star citation through the same screening process. Again, just one hit. This one came from another DSC citation. The recipient: Army Cpl. Fabian Nieves-Laguer. He was a member of the famous “Borinqueneers,” the 65th Infantry Regiment from Puerto Rico. It took Sterner’s computer 14 seconds to make the match. “Gosh, he didn’t even bother to write his own wording,” said Sterner. “This shows so clearly the value in a database that documents these awards. “Without it, this would have taken months or even years to find, and that’s if we would have ever found it.” The Star tried to talk to the Kansas veteran, but he did not return calls. ••• In her home in Jonestown, Pa., Delores Hartnett, widow of Richard Hartnett, listened as The Star told her how another man appeared to have adopted her husband’s medal citation as his own. She was speechless at first. Her husband rarely talked about his service in Korea, she said. But after the Korean War, he enlisted in the Pennsylvania National Guard, serving for 25 years. He once told her that he did what he had to do to serve his country. The couple had five children and seven grandchildren. She does not visit his grave on Memorial Day because “he’s in my heart every day, every moment,” she said. But she can imagine what her husband would have said about a case of stolen valor. “To steal someone else’s heroics, what they fought for, and watched friends die for, this is absolutely pitiful … pitiful, pitiful, pitiful!” ••• Jacobs of the Guard Hall of Fame said recently that the Kansas veteran’s family has withdrawn his nomination. He will not be inducted into the hall. The hall has changed its rules regarding information that emerges after a nominee’s induction has been announced, Jacobs said. Before, there was no provision to prevent a nominee who had been accepted from being inducted. Mary Schantag said she has forwarded information about the veteran to the FBI. Not just his name, but a folder with everything the Schantags gathered. “That’s standard for us. It’s against the law to wear a medal that you didn’t earn because they come at such a high human cost. “You know, if these people told just one lie, they might get away with it. But they’ve got to be better and more than everyone else. “What they fail to understand is that just by serving and doing what they were told to do, whether they saw combat or sat behind the scenes in an office, is extraordinary. “That’s good enough to be a hero.” A harrowing narrative of bravery Here is an excerpt from Richard J. Hartnett’s Distinguished Service Cross citation: Sergeant First Class Hartnett distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism in action against enemy aggressor forces in the vicinity of Chorwon, Korea, on 29 September 1951. On that date, Sergeant Hartnett’s company was assigned the mission of attacking a numerically superior hostile force occupying well-fortified hill positions. Commanding the lead squad of this assault, Sergeant Hartnett had maneuvered his men to within a few yards of the enemy emplacements when a heavy volume of machine-gun fire halted their advance. Unhesitatingly, Sergeant Hartnett charged directly into the intense enemy fire, hurling grenades and firing his rifle. His aggressive action neutralized the hostile emplacement, but his attack also attracted the attention of the enemy troops occupying another bunker who immediately directed their fire against the friendly force. Sergeant Hartnett single-handedly assaulted the emplacement, this time destroying its weapon and killing the occupants. Observing another enemy position, he fearlessly charged a third time and eliminated it. His courageous actions were directly responsible for the collapse of the enemy defenses and enabled his company to take its objective with a minimum of casualties. To read Cpl. Fabian Nieves-Laguer’s citation, go to www.militarytimes.com/hallofvalor. The psychology of a great temptation — embellishment We are all likely to embroider personal stories to make ourselves appear a bit brighter or funnier or more interesting than we think we are, said John Wisner, a psychiatrist at the University of Kansas Hospital. “That’s human nature. It’s a tremendous human temptation,” he said. But people cross the line on deception when they can’t understand the value of telling the truth, or they get caught up in living a story that isn’t true, Wisner said. “Oftentimes people do it for love or esteem from other people,” he said. “There are people who can’t allow themselves to be perceived as who they are and have to make things up. They feel empty and hollow as who they are and have to embellish.” Military service is a particularly attractive way to boost one’s image, Wisner said. “It implies machismo and bravery. For the average American, military service is the one way available to show valor.” Wisner was on staff at the Kansas City VA Medical Center more than 20 years. He met many who acted heroically and were wounded in the line of duty. Rarely did he find someone who exaggerated what he had done. “If they talk about it, they do it with a degree of humility and even reluctance,” Wisner said. To reach Lee Hill Kavanaugh, call 816-234-4420 or send e-mail to lkavanaugh@kcstar.com. | Alan Bavley, abavley@kcstar.com Posted on Sat, Jul. 24, 2010 10:15 PM Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/24/2104758/watchdogs-labor-to-expose-liars.html#ixzz0xU6DbPyh
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#1. To: All, Mad Dog (#0)
Are your ears burning ping.
You mean people who claim to have personally shot down 3 Migs? People like that?
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the syphilitic psychopath
Why do you libTURDS SO FEAR this story weasel boy? "35 years ago if you were to tell me that I am going to stand up here speaking in English to a large group of patriots, I’d laugh at you. Every morning I wake up thanking God for putting family and me in the greatest country on earth. I just want you all to know that the American dream does exist and I am living the American dream. I was asked to speak to you about my experience as a first generation Vietnamese American, but I rather speak to you as an American. If you hadn’t noticed, I am not white and I feel pretty comfortable with my people. I am a proud US citizen and here is my proof… It took me 8 years to get it, waiting in endless lines, but I got it and I am very proud of it. Guess what, I did it legally and it ain’t from the state of Hawaii. I still remember the images of the Tet offensive in 1968. I was six years old. Now you might want to question how a 6year old boy could remember anything. Trust me, those images can never be erased. I can’t even imagine what it was like for young American soldiers, 10,000 miles away from home, fighting on my behalf. 35 years ago, I left South Vietnam to come to America for political asylum. The war had ended. At the age of 13, I left with the understanding that I may or may not ever get to see my siblings or parents again. I was one of the first lucky 100,000 Vietnamese allowed to come to the US. Somehow, my family and I were reunited 5 months later, amazingly, in California. It was a miracle from God. If you haven’t heard lately that this is the greatest country on earth, let me tell you, IT IS!!! It is the freedom and the opportunities presented to me that put me here with all of you tonight. I also remember the barriers that I had to overcome every step of the way. My high school counselor told me that I could not make it to college due to my poor communication skills. I proved him wrong. I finished college. You see… All you have to do is to give this little boy an opportunity and encourage him to take and run with it. Well, I took the opportunities and here I am. This person standing tonight in front of you could not exist under a socialist/communist environment. By the way, if you think socialism is the way to go, I am sure many people here will chip in to get you a one-way ticket out of here. And if you didn’t know, the only difference between socialism and communism is an AK-47 aiming at your head. That was what I knew and grew up with. In 1983, I stood with a thousand new immigrants, reciting the pledge of allegiance and listening to the National Anthem for the first time as an American. To this day, I can’t remember anything sweeter and more patriotic than that moment in my life. Fast forwarding, somehow I finished high school, finished college, and like any other goofball 21 year old kid, I was having a great time with my life, I had a nice job and a nice apartment in Southern California. In someway and somehow, I had forgotten how I got here and why I am here. One day I was at a gas station, I saw a veteran pumping gas on the other side of the island. I didn’t know what made me do it, but I walked over and asked if he had served in Vietnam. He smiled and said Yes. I shook and held his hand. His eyes started to well up. I walked away as fast as I could and at that very moment, I was emotionally rocked, this was a profound moment in life. I knew something had to change in my life. It was time for me to learn how to be a good citizen. It was time for me to give back. You see… America is not place on the map; it isn’t a physical location. It is an ideal, a concept. And if you are an American, you must understand the concept, you must buy into this concept and most importantly, you have to fight and defend this concept. This is about Freedom… and not free stuff. And that is why I am standing up here. Brothers and sisters, to be a real American, the very least you must do is to learn English and understand it well. In my humble opinion, you cannot be a faithful patriotic citizen if you can’t speak the language of the country you live in. Take this document of 46 pages… Last I looked on the internet, there wasn’t a Vietnamese translation of the US constitution. It took me a long time to get to the point of being able to converse and until this day, I still struggle to come up with the right words. It’s not easy, but if it’s too easy, it’s not worth doing. Before I got to know this 46- page document, I learned of the 500,000 Americans who fought for this little boy. I learned of the 58,000 names scribed on the black wall at the Vietnam War memorial. You are my heroes. You are my founders. When I was eligible to vote, I went out and performed my civic duty. For all of you young people out there, who just turned 18, I encourage you to exercise your duty as an American to be an informed voter no matter where you are or what you do. America fought and died for your rights. DON’T LET HER DOWN!!! At this time, I would like to ask all the Vietnam veterans to please stand. I thank you for my life. I thank you for your sacrifices, and I thank you for giving me the freedom and the liberties I have today. I now ask All veterans, firefighters, and police officers, to please stand. On behalf of all first generation immigrants, I thank you for your service and may God bless you all and may God bless America!" Quang Nguyen, delivered at the Prescott Valley Freedom Rally, Prescott Valley, AZ July 24, 2010. YOU should get a NEW act weasel boy, really you should. YOU should get some new LIES weasel boy, really you should.
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Exactly. I knew people who had done incredible things in the military. I even got to know a Medal of Honor winner who was still on active duty when I was in. The most consistently common trait the best of them had was humility and a dislike of talking about their exploits. I have also met the liar's club out there. One guy who claimed he was in the 82nd for example - in Vietnam no less - told me after a long long pause and some deflection that he had been in a unit part of the Eighty Duce's first Brigade. Which was odd to hear, and it was only the third brigade that went. Often you hear really mixed jumbles of cobbled together recollections that make no sense at all. For example, people who say they were tunnel clearing commandos who were in a Green Beret Marine Force Recon unit. ..... yeah, right. I was fascinated looking at Pound Puppy's first posts in el pee. He was all too quick to paint a killer combat pilot's wings onto the shirt about where one of his titties is. An addiction to stolen valor is like that. You want people to love you quickly if you are B.S.ing. It generally is revealed by friends or relatives and has to be drug out of you if you have trouble revealing this sort of thing. Allot of it has to do with a survivor's regret, knowing others that make them feels guilty at accepting awards for glory knowing they deserved recognition too and never got it. Personally, I feel Mr. Alaskan glory hound is too loud and crass to have done what he did. I would be shocked and amazed if the dirt bag even saw duty in Vietnam as a REMF, a Rear Echelon Mother F*cker. Vietnam had an incredibly big head to tail ratio. Which means that there were a whole lot of support people for each and every person who actually saw combat. Pound Puppy has incredibly little empathy for others. You can see in his posts at el pee he has little use for or love of women. He dearly loves Bush and considers him a war great. He is deplorable as a communicator. I doubt very much if he was in the military, and if he was, he at best got a brutal paper cut working a typewriter in S-3 or something like that.
A new act, like spamming a speech that you call an article worthy of discussion around? Nah thumb dick, I'll leave the childish wish to try to get revenge because no one buys your act to you. Thanks for the spam by the way. It reinforces greatly my contentions about you in my last post. Cheers, buttercup.
"Why do you SO FEAR this story weasel boy?" Hmmmmmm? "35 years ago if you were to tell me that I am going to stand up here speaking in English to a large group of patriots, I’d laugh at you. Every morning I wake up thanking God for putting family and me in the greatest country on earth. I just want you all to know that the American dream does exist and I am living the American dream. I was asked to speak to you about my experience as a first generation Vietnamese American, but I rather speak to you as an American. If you hadn’t noticed, I am not white and I feel pretty comfortable with my people. I am a proud US citizen and here is my proof… It took me 8 years to get it, waiting in endless lines, but I got it and I am very proud of it. Guess what, I did it legally and it ain’t from the state of Hawaii. I still remember the images of the Tet offensive in 1968. I was six years old. Now you might want to question how a 6year old boy could remember anything. Trust me, those images can never be erased. I can’t even imagine what it was like for young American soldiers, 10,000 miles away from home, fighting on my behalf. 35 years ago, I left South Vietnam to come to America for political asylum. The war had ended. At the age of 13, I left with the understanding that I may or may not ever get to see my siblings or parents again. I was one of the first lucky 100,000 Vietnamese allowed to come to the US. Somehow, my family and I were reunited 5 months later, amazingly, in California. It was a miracle from God. If you haven’t heard lately that this is the greatest country on earth, let me tell you, IT IS!!! It is the freedom and the opportunities presented to me that put me here with all of you tonight. I also remember the barriers that I had to overcome every step of the way. My high school counselor told me that I could not make it to college due to my poor communication skills. I proved him wrong. I finished college. You see… All you have to do is to give this little boy an opportunity and encourage him to take and run with it. Well, I took the opportunities and here I am. This person standing tonight in front of you could not exist under a socialist/communist environment. By the way, if you think socialism is the way to go, I am sure many people here will chip in to get you a one-way ticket out of here. And if you didn’t know, the only difference between socialism and communism is an AK-47 aiming at your head. That was what I knew and grew up with. In 1983, I stood with a thousand new immigrants, reciting the pledge of allegiance and listening to the National Anthem for the first time as an American. To this day, I can’t remember anything sweeter and more patriotic than that moment in my life. Fast forwarding, somehow I finished high school, finished college, and like any other goofball 21 year old kid, I was having a great time with my life, I had a nice job and a nice apartment in Southern California. In someway and somehow, I had forgotten how I got here and why I am here. One day I was at a gas station, I saw a veteran pumping gas on the other side of the island. I didn’t know what made me do it, but I walked over and asked if he had served in Vietnam. He smiled and said Yes. I shook and held his hand. His eyes started to well up. I walked away as fast as I could and at that very moment, I was emotionally rocked, this was a profound moment in life. I knew something had to change in my life. It was time for me to learn how to be a good citizen. It was time for me to give back. You see… America is not place on the map; it isn’t a physical location. It is an ideal, a concept. And if you are an American, you must understand the concept, you must buy into this concept and most importantly, you have to fight and defend this concept. This is about Freedom… and not free stuff. And that is why I am standing up here. Brothers and sisters, to be a real American, the very least you must do is to learn English and understand it well. In my humble opinion, you cannot be a faithful patriotic citizen if you can’t speak the language of the country you live in. Take this document of 46 pages… Last I looked on the internet, there wasn’t a Vietnamese translation of the US constitution. It took me a long time to get to the point of being able to converse and until this day, I still struggle to come up with the right words. It’s not easy, but if it’s too easy, it’s not worth doing. Before I got to know this 46- page document, I learned of the 500,000 Americans who fought for this little boy. I learned of the 58,000 names scribed on the black wall at the Vietnam War memorial. You are my heroes. You are my founders. When I was eligible to vote, I went out and performed my civic duty. For all of you young people out there, who just turned 18, I encourage you to exercise your duty as an American to be an informed voter no matter where you are or what you do. America fought and died for your rights. DON’T LET HER DOWN!!! At this time, I would like to ask all the Vietnam veterans to please stand. I thank you for my life. I thank you for your sacrifices, and I thank you for giving me the freedom and the liberties I have today. I now ask All veterans, firefighters, and police officers, to please stand. On behalf of all first generation immigrants, I thank you for your service and may God bless you all and may God bless America!" Quang Nguyen, delivered at the Prescott Valley Freedom Rally, Prescott Valley, AZ July 24, 2010. "SERENITY Montag, Peace Montag."
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
Here is a cheer you upper, Pound Puppie.
LOL! ANYTHING to change the subject, eh you libTURD whore? "Why do you libTURD whores SO FEAR this story weasel boy?" Hmmmmmm? "35 years ago if you were to tell me that I am going to stand up here speaking in English to a large group of patriots, I’d laugh at you. Every morning I wake up thanking God for putting family and me in the greatest country on earth. I just want you all to know that the American dream does exist and I am living the American dream. I was asked to speak to you about my experience as a first generation Vietnamese American, but I rather speak to you as an American. If you hadn’t noticed, I am not white and I feel pretty comfortable with my people. I am a proud US citizen and here is my proof… It took me 8 years to get it, waiting in endless lines, but I got it and I am very proud of it. Guess what, I did it legally and it ain’t from the state of Hawaii. I still remember the images of the Tet offensive in 1968. I was six years old. Now you might want to question how a 6year old boy could remember anything. Trust me, those images can never be erased. I can’t even imagine what it was like for young American soldiers, 10,000 miles away from home, fighting on my behalf. 35 years ago, I left South Vietnam to come to America for political asylum. The war had ended. At the age of 13, I left with the understanding that I may or may not ever get to see my siblings or parents again. I was one of the first lucky 100,000 Vietnamese allowed to come to the US. Somehow, my family and I were reunited 5 months later, amazingly, in California. It was a miracle from God. If you haven’t heard lately that this is the greatest country on earth, let me tell you, IT IS!!! It is the freedom and the opportunities presented to me that put me here with all of you tonight. I also remember the barriers that I had to overcome every step of the way. My high school counselor told me that I could not make it to college due to my poor communication skills. I proved him wrong. I finished college. You see… All you have to do is to give this little boy an opportunity and encourage him to take and run with it. Well, I took the opportunities and here I am. This person standing tonight in front of you could not exist under a socialist/communist environment. By the way, if you think socialism is the way to go, I am sure many people here will chip in to get you a one-way ticket out of here. And if you didn’t know, the only difference between socialism and communism is an AK-47 aiming at your head. That was what I knew and grew up with. In 1983, I stood with a thousand new immigrants, reciting the pledge of allegiance and listening to the National Anthem for the first time as an American. To this day, I can’t remember anything sweeter and more patriotic than that moment in my life. Fast forwarding, somehow I finished high school, finished college, and like any other goofball 21 year old kid, I was having a great time with my life, I had a nice job and a nice apartment in Southern California. In someway and somehow, I had forgotten how I got here and why I am here. One day I was at a gas station, I saw a veteran pumping gas on the other side of the island. I didn’t know what made me do it, but I walked over and asked if he had served in Vietnam. He smiled and said Yes. I shook and held his hand. His eyes started to well up. I walked away as fast as I could and at that very moment, I was emotionally rocked, this was a profound moment in life. I knew something had to change in my life. It was time for me to learn how to be a good citizen. It was time for me to give back. You see… America is not place on the map; it isn’t a physical location. It is an ideal, a concept. And if you are an American, you must understand the concept, you must buy into this concept and most importantly, you have to fight and defend this concept. This is about Freedom… and not free stuff. And that is why I am standing up here. Brothers and sisters, to be a real American, the very least you must do is to learn English and understand it well. In my humble opinion, you cannot be a faithful patriotic citizen if you can’t speak the language of the country you live in. Take this document of 46 pages… Last I looked on the internet, there wasn’t a Vietnamese translation of the US constitution. It took me a long time to get to the point of being able to converse and until this day, I still struggle to come up with the right words. It’s not easy, but if it’s too easy, it’s not worth doing. Before I got to know this 46- page document, I learned of the 500,000 Americans who fought for this little boy. I learned of the 58,000 names scribed on the black wall at the Vietnam War memorial. You are my heroes. You are my founders. When I was eligible to vote, I went out and performed my civic duty. For all of you young people out there, who just turned 18, I encourage you to exercise your duty as an American to be an informed voter no matter where you are or what you do. America fought and died for your rights. DON’T LET HER DOWN!!! At this time, I would like to ask all the Vietnam veterans to please stand. I thank you for my life. I thank you for your sacrifices, and I thank you for giving me the freedom and the liberties I have today. I now ask All veterans, firefighters, and police officers, to please stand. On behalf of all first generation immigrants, I thank you for your service and may God bless you all and may God bless America!" Quang Nguyen, delivered at the Prescott Valley Freedom Rally, Prescott Valley, AZ July 24, 2010. Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
LOL! ANYTHING to change the subject, eh you libTURD whore? "Why do you libTURD whores SO FEAR this story weasel boy?" Hmmmmmm? "35 years ago if you were to tell me that I am going to stand up here speaking in English to a large group of patriots, I’d laugh at you. Every morning I wake up thanking God for putting family and me in the greatest country on earth. I just want you all to know that the American dream does exist and I am living the American dream. I was asked to speak to you about my experience as a first generation Vietnamese American, but I rather speak to you as an American. If you hadn’t noticed, I am not white and I feel pretty comfortable with my people. I am a proud US citizen and here is my proof… It took me 8 years to get it, waiting in endless lines, but I got it and I am very proud of it. Guess what, I did it legally and it ain’t from the state of Hawaii. I still remember the images of the Tet offensive in 1968. I was six years old. Now you might want to question how a 6year old boy could remember anything. Trust me, those images can never be erased. I can’t even imagine what it was like for young American soldiers, 10,000 miles away from home, fighting on my behalf. 35 years ago, I left South Vietnam to come to America for political asylum. The war had ended. At the age of 13, I left with the understanding that I may or may not ever get to see my siblings or parents again. I was one of the first lucky 100,000 Vietnamese allowed to come to the US. Somehow, my family and I were reunited 5 months later, amazingly, in California. It was a miracle from God. If you haven’t heard lately that this is the greatest country on earth, let me tell you, IT IS!!! It is the freedom and the opportunities presented to me that put me here with all of you tonight. I also remember the barriers that I had to overcome every step of the way. My high school counselor told me that I could not make it to college due to my poor communication skills. I proved him wrong. I finished college. You see… All you have to do is to give this little boy an opportunity and encourage him to take and run with it. Well, I took the opportunities and here I am. This person standing tonight in front of you could not exist under a socialist/communist environment. By the way, if you think socialism is the way to go, I am sure many people here will chip in to get you a one-way ticket out of here. And if you didn’t know, the only difference between socialism and communism is an AK-47 aiming at your head. That was what I knew and grew up with. In 1983, I stood with a thousand new immigrants, reciting the pledge of allegiance and listening to the National Anthem for the first time as an American. To this day, I can’t remember anything sweeter and more patriotic than that moment in my life. Fast forwarding, somehow I finished high school, finished college, and like any other goofball 21 year old kid, I was having a great time with my life, I had a nice job and a nice apartment in Southern California. In someway and somehow, I had forgotten how I got here and why I am here. One day I was at a gas station, I saw a veteran pumping gas on the other side of the island. I didn’t know what made me do it, but I walked over and asked if he had served in Vietnam. He smiled and said Yes. I shook and held his hand. His eyes started to well up. I walked away as fast as I could and at that very moment, I was emotionally rocked, this was a profound moment in life. I knew something had to change in my life. It was time for me to learn how to be a good citizen. It was time for me to give back. You see… America is not place on the map; it isn’t a physical location. It is an ideal, a concept. And if you are an American, you must understand the concept, you must buy into this concept and most importantly, you have to fight and defend this concept. This is about Freedom… and not free stuff. And that is why I am standing up here. Brothers and sisters, to be a real American, the very least you must do is to learn English and understand it well. In my humble opinion, you cannot be a faithful patriotic citizen if you can’t speak the language of the country you live in. Take this document of 46 pages… Last I looked on the internet, there wasn’t a Vietnamese translation of the US constitution. It took me a long time to get to the point of being able to converse and until this day, I still struggle to come up with the right words. It’s not easy, but if it’s too easy, it’s not worth doing. Before I got to know this 46- page document, I learned of the 500,000 Americans who fought for this little boy. I learned of the 58,000 names scribed on the black wall at the Vietnam War memorial. You are my heroes. You are my founders. When I was eligible to vote, I went out and performed my civic duty. For all of you young people out there, who just turned 18, I encourage you to exercise your duty as an American to be an informed voter no matter where you are or what you do. America fought and died for your rights. DON’T LET HER DOWN!!! At this time, I would like to ask all the Vietnam veterans to please stand. I thank you for my life. I thank you for your sacrifices, and I thank you for giving me the freedom and the liberties I have today. I now ask All veterans, firefighters, and police officers, to please stand. On behalf of all first generation immigrants, I thank you for your service and may God bless you all and may God bless America!" Quang Nguyen, delivered at the Prescott Valley Freedom Rally, Prescott Valley, AZ July 24, 2010. Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where. Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
Quoted by PDS insane assholes every where.
#2. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
“We’re so tired of these guys who say they’re heroes and they’re really fakers,” he said.
#3. To: Ferret Mike (#1)
#4. To: Skip Intro (#2)
(Edited)
"You mean people who claim to have personally shot down 3 Migs? People like that?"
#5. To: Mad Dog (#3)
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
#7. To: Mad Dog (#6)
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
#9. To: Mad Dog (#8)
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
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