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Corrupt Government Title: Grover Norquist and the Jim Robinson connection Title: WHY JIM ALLOWS RACE BAITING AND IS FOR illegal immigration - Grover Norquist - NICK DANGER - BOB J Source: San Diego Union Tribune VIA FR URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286324/posts Published: Mar 7, 2005 Author: Jerry Kammer Post Date: 2005-03-07 14:23:48 by TLBSHOW 11 Comments WASHINGTON – Republican strategist Grover Norquist thinks acceptance of illegal immigration would boost his party and the U.S. economy. Former environmental journalist Roy Beck became so convinced that illegal immigration was overwhelming the country that he started an organization committed to restricting it. So it's only natural that they disagree on the results of this month's congressional elections that saw some Republican incumbents face challengers who supported more restrictive immigration policies. Their disagreement illuminates a debate likely to intensify next year when President Bush is expected to push Congress toward what he calls a middle ground: a temporary-worker program that would stop short of offering permanent residence to those who entered the United States illegally. The debate's political contours became even more uneven Nov. 2 as nearly half of Arizona's Latino voters, apparently sharing some of Beck's anxiety, voted in favor of a controversial measure intended to discourage illegal immigration. Arizona's Proposition 200 passed despite nearly unanimous opposition from the state's political, business and religious establishment, with many branding it racist. Advocates called it a primal scream at a problem that is framed by the federal government but imposes strains and costs on local and state governments. At a recent panel discussion in Washington, Norquist pointed to the re-elections of GOP Reps. Jim Kolbe of Arizona and Chris Cannon of Utah – who back relaxation in immigration policies – as proof that Beck's get-tough message is fizzling with voters. Norquist mocked an observation by a Beck ally that opinion polls repeatedly demonstrate that the public wants Congress to swat down "elites" who allow the nation's illegal immigrant population to continue to grow. "These are not elites voting in Utah. . . . These are not elites voting in Arizona," Norquist said. "These are people saying: 'I'm not voting on that issue and we're not going down that road.' " Norquist boils down the politics of immigration to a characteristically crisp phrase. "Intensity trumps preference," he likes to say. In other words: Congress pays more attention to the well-organized, left-right coalition of immigrants rights groups, libertarian Republicans, church groups and business organizations than it does to public opinion polls. Beck pointed out that it's unusual for well-established and well-funded incumbents such as Kolbe and Cannon to face serious primary fights. In both races, where immigration policy was the central issue, the challengers received more than 40 percent. "Everybody knows that incumbents basically have guaranteed seats," Beck said. "Here you had two guys whose outspoken advocacy of illegal immigrants inspired serious primary opposition. I consider that a big vote of no confidence in their own party. . . . It would have been wonderful to see a champion of immigration knocked off, but I think the results were telling." Beck is the executive director of NumbersUSA, which uses the Internet and grass-roots organizing to pressure individual lawmakers not only to clamp down on illegal immigration but also to cut back on legal immigration. The group was part of a restrictionist coalition that bought television advertising aimed at undermining Kolbe and Cannon. Beck said he started NumbersUSA seven years ago to mobilize public opinion that was being overwhelmed by the intensity of immigrant advocates. "You had people who make money and gain power off immigration lined up against the public, which wasn't so engaged because it was just seeing incremental changes around them," he said. "I've always said it's noise that counts." Political analyst Norman Ornstein says Beck and other restrictionist groups will have an important role as the next session of Congress takes up the Bush proposal and other plans. "I think the dilemma for the president is that the intensity increasingly is on the anti-immigration side, and it includes different elements of his conservative base," Ornstein said. He cited the immigration-based challenge mounted this year against Rep. David Dreier, R-Glendora. Running in a district considered bulletproof for Republicans, Dreier's little-known and poorly funded Democratic challenger earned 43 percent of the vote in the Nov. 2 general election. The reason: a furious "Fire Dreier" campaign waged by the Los Angeles talk show duo of John Kobylt and Ken Chiampu. The pair attacked relentlessly on the issue of illegal immigration. They said Dreier's stands on immigration showed he "is an agent of the Mexican government." "We are not a nation of laws here. We're not. Not when it comes to illegal immigration. None of the laws are enforced," they said. In Arizona, state and local authorities will have a new law to enforce, following passage of a ballot proposition widely seen as an eruption of public frustration with federal immigration policy. Proposition 200 seeks to cut federally mandated services to illegal immigrants. Advocates already have filed a lawsuit claming Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard plans to limit enforcement of the measure. University of Arizona political science professor John Garcia said the surprisingly large – 47 percent – Latino vote in favor of the proposition reflected widespread concerns about the surging population of illegal immigrants. The ballot measure passed 56-44. "It's an issue of competition," Garcia said. "People think they're driving down wages and taking jobs. It's an emotional issue." FAIR USE NOTICE: The above may be copyrighted material, and the use of it on http://LibertyPost.org may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such material is made available on a non-profit basis for educational and discussion purposes only. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in 17 USC § 107. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Post Comment MORE To: JackelopeBreeder Republican strategist Grover Norquist thinks acceptance of illegal immigration would boost his party and the U.S. economy All these "party before country" AHs think of, is short term profits and votes. 6 posted on 11/22/2004 9:00:21 PM EST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway) TLBSHOW posted on 2005-03-07 14:33:29 ET Reply Trace I recall you appearing on the last Grover Norquist thread, and you seemed to know a fair amount about his activities, weekly roundtable, etc: Any light you can shed on the stuff in MM's column? Thanks. 24 posted on 07/31/2004 10:28:29 AM PDT by MrNatural TLBSHOW posted on 2005-03-07 14:35:29 ET Reply Trace If the president isn't lying, what's he doing? WorldNetDaily, OR - 13 hours ago Remember the "Read my lips, no more taxes" line delivered with political sincerity by the first President George Bush – and famously ignored with the same ... 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At the swearing-in of new Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff Thursday, President Bush said: "Osama ... House decries border security, lack of funding Tucson Citizen, AZ - Mar 5, 2005 WASHINGTON - Democratic and Republican House members found common ground Thursday in decrying the state of security on the nation's borders - particularly with ... House filling border-fence hole; now let's fill border-patrol jobs Whittier Daily News, CA - Mar 5, 2005 By Debra J. Saunders. AS President Bush attended the swearing in of new Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff Thursday, the ... TLBSHOW posted on 2005-03-07 14:40:03 ET Reply Trace Hey TLB, what did you do to that thread to get it pulled today? This thread has been pulled. Pulled on 03/07/2005 11:40:26 AM PST by Admin Moderator, reason: . Sabertooth posted on 2005-03-07 21:00:08 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Hey TLB, what did you do to that thread to get it pulled today? This thread has been pulled. Pulled on 03/07/2005 11:40:26 AM PST by Admin Moderator, reason: . I PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND ON THAT THREAD IS THE TRUTH ABOUT RONINSON BOB J AND NICK DANGER AND NORQUEST - THEY ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER TO ALLOW THE BORDERS OPEN TLBSHOW posted on 2005-03-07 23:50:39 ET Reply Trace I recall you appearing on the last Grover Norquist thread, and you seemed to know a fair amount about his activities, weekly roundtable, etc: Any light you can shed on the stuff in MM's column? Thanks. 24 posted on 07/31/2004 10:28:29 AM PDT by MrNatural TLBSHOW posted on 2005-03-07 23:51:45 ET Reply Trace Fred Mertz posted on 2005-03-07 23:54:45 ET Reply Trace If those guys are for open borders, there must be a reason. You know, we're just a bunch of hicks in the sticks. FOLKS I NEED EVERYTHING ON GROOVER AND NICK DANGER - BOB J IS JUST A YES MAN LIKE JIM TLBSHOW posted on 2005-03-07 23:57:50 ET Reply Trace TLBSHOW posted on 2005-03-08 00:00:10 ET Reply Trace DON'T WORRY - JIM IS CAUGHT NOW ALONG WITH GROOVER AND DANGER - THEY ARE THE ONES BEHIND THE BORDER ZOTTING Immigration debate likely to intensify Posted by JackelopeBreeder On News/Activism 11/22/2004 5:51:31 PM PST · 74 replies · 765+ views San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 22 November 2004 | Jerry Kammer WASHINGTON – Republican strategist Grover Norquist thinks acceptance of illegal immigration would boost his party and the U.S. economy. Former environmental journalist Roy Beck became so convinced that illegal immigration was overwhelming the country that he started an organization committed to restricting it. So it's only natural that they disagree on the results of this month's congressional elections that saw some Republican incumbents face challengers who supported more restrictive immigration policies. Their disagreement illuminates a debate likely to intensify next year when President Bush is expected to push Congress toward what he calls a middle ground: a temporary-worker program that... TLBSHOW posted on 2005-03-08 00:02:54 ET Reply Trace FOLKS I NEED EVERYTHING ON GROOVER AND NICK DANGER I've read about Grover in the past; he seems to be a self-proclaimed intellectual who somehow thinks he's a conservative political strategist and deep thinker. I think Nick Danger just follows his lead and also that of that Corso(?) guy of the Swift Vets against Kerry fame. Fred Mertz posted on 2005-03-08 14:20:34 ET Reply Trace
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Norquist misunderstimates the intensity of those of us who are demanding that we SecureOurBordersNOW!! Regards...MUD
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TLBSHOW posted on 2005-03-07 23:50:39 ET Reply Trace You knew the deal back then, Toddler.
I think Norquist is in some serious hot water these days. His email to Abramoff is just like having his fingerprints at the scene of the crime.
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