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Title: Leaked White House Memo Advises Democrats on How to Spin Obamacare
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theweeklystandard.com
URL Source: http://www.theweeklystandard.com/bl ... s-democrats-how-spin-obamacare
Published: Aug 21, 2010
Author: BY Jeffrey H. Anderson
Post Date: 2010-08-21 16:09:23 by WhiteSands
Keywords: Obamacare, health care
Views: 94033
Comments: 135
Politico has released a piece that begins as follows: "Key White House allies are dramatically shifting their attempts to defend health care legislation, abandoning claims that it will reduce costs and deficit, and instead stressing a promise to 'improve it.'" This is a truly remarkable sentence. Legislation that the Congressional Budget Office says would cost about $2.5 trillion in its real first decade (2014 to 2023) wouldn't do the one thing that Americans most want out of health-care legislation: cut health care costs. It wouldn't, despite the administration's repeated claims to the contrary, cut deficits. But, on the bright side, it can (allegedly) be improved. That's an amazingly tepid claim to make on behalf of something with Obamacare's price tag. The truth is that Obamacare cannot be improved. It can only be repealed. It was passed as "comprehensive legislation," and it must be repealed comprehensively. The vast majority of Americans recognize this. Rasmussen's latest survey of likely voters shows Americans favoring repeal by the overwhelming tally of 60 to 36 percent. This 24-point margin is Rasmussen's 2nd-highest in the 21 polls it has conducted in the five months since passage, despite, as Politico puts it, "the White House's all-out communications effort" in the interim – much of it at taxpayer expense.
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#1. To: PriestBait (#0)
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Do you have a memo detailing how you can spin your being fondled by a priest?
Spin. Notice that **NOTHING** is up-front and honest about the Democrats. Everything is "spun" and obfuscated.
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
You believe that the GOP is straight forward and honest?
SO you're "Okay" with the spin. No stand-up fight here. No "Be proud you voted for Obamacare." Try and spin it! Spinning it btw is just more obfuscation and misdirection. Don't talk about Obamacare "saving money!". It won't. We now all know that is a lie. A big, fat, fucking lie.
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
I don't vote for republicans OR democrats for POTUS. But republicans SUCK. They are the worst liars and spinners in Politics.
But republicans SUCK. They are the worst liars and spinners in Politics. Oh puhleez. You shill for Obama 24/7 on this forum. You've voted for Obama in '08. You continually support just about ever action he takes. Your credibility just took another hit War.
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
Chuckles...and all you do is shill for the GOP and attack Obama. I'm a reality check for you. You spent two days lying and got spanked.
As a party that's generally true, and it's certainly true about the GOP "leadership". However, there are a handful of honest elected Republicans. Where are the honest Democrats other than Kucinich? And no, please don't bring up the lying "blue dogs" who are the most dishonest Democrats of them all -- passing themselves off as "moderates" while voting in lockstep with Obama and Pelosi on most things.
You're a legend in your own mind War. Just how many voices do you hear by the way?
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
Conversely, how long have you felt you were Neo's hovercraft ship they used to hack into the Matrix with in that movie series?
Tis a great name, no?
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
Not bad. I know I thought it cool when I saw it in the Matrix.
Male or female?
Bullshit. Mike McMahon is an honest man.
Your credibility just took another hit War. BUSTED. War has no compunction about lying and mischaracterizations. It's like breathing. ALL liberals and Leftists justify their BS when it suits their agenda.
war is a real trip. He takes statist, leftist shilling to a new level. I think he believes that there is something inherently different about republicans. Some defect in their DNA, perhaps?
______________________________________________________________________________ When George W. Bush and Sarah Palin are whom you've presented and are presenting as a solution to the problem, I'd say it's just plain mental retardation - at a functional level.
Is Alvin Greene a republican?
______________________________________________________________________________ He's running for POTUS?
Nope. Neither is Bush or Palin. One is disqualified by the Constitution, the other by herself and the so called "intelligentsia". Now that we've gotten your obfuscation out of the way, I'll repeat the question: is Alvin Greene a republican? (since you seem to be of the mindset that only republicans are terrible (i.e. suck))
______________________________________________________________________________ Mine? Green would be one of 100. YOU voted for the Boy Blunder and, I suspect, would vote for Palin were she the nominee.
I know he is a congenital liar. When I point out another Obama fuck up he resorts to "It's bush's fault!". No matter how tenuous the link to a past Republican President (Reagan is the one who started the deficits...blah, blah, blah...) it's always a Republicans fault. Well I have news for all. The most strung-out on heroin, drunk all day Republican is better than the "smartest" Democrat.
Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.
Chuckles...I proved that you lied about what was presented about the stim. I proved that you lied about the unemployment rate in February of 2009. I proved that you lied - using your own chart - about the effects of the stim. ON the other hand, you've correctly identified exactly 0 "lies" I may have told.
But - unlike you - I'm not waiting for a coming political messiah. I realize that all politicians have faults, say stupid things, and do stupid things like mis-spell potato and give a Howard Dean screech. I'm not going to let the statist media decide for me. Bottom line: when candidates propose returning to a Constitutional gov't, I'll support them. When they don't, I won't. Simple as that.
______________________________________________________________________________ Chuckles...you sit there and lecture me - I haven't voted for a major party candidate for POTUS since 1988 and have voted for less than five major party candidates for national office over the same period - and you had a chance to pick a smart guy over a dumb one and you opted for dumb. Remind me again why I should take you seriously?
You think Owlgore and John F'n Kerry were SMART? Remind me again why I should take YOU seriously. Wake me up when you can get past your mindless "democrats good, republicans bad" fairytales. 'til then, you're not worthy of a serious discussion.
______________________________________________________________________________ Yes, they are. But the point is, on just a relative basis they are on a knowledge plain light years ahead of Boy Blunder. The debates should have showed you that. You voted for a fucking dunce.
Yes, they are Look - you're a statist, which is perfectly within your rights. If you want to argue the statism of a Gore or a Kerry as opposed to the statism of Bush, that's fine. Go ahead and support whatever statist candidate floats your boat. (as long as he/she has a D after their name, that is.) But don't try to sell me the bullshit that Kerry or Gore are Mensa candidates. Because they're not. Arguing their "intelligence" against Bush's is like arguing the intelligence of Moe vs. Larry vs. Curly. In the end, they're all stooges. If they had any smarts or integrity, they'd be in another line of work.
______________________________________________________________________________ That's easy; Moe was the brains of the three.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara
And probably would have made a better POTUS than any of the potential crop out there now . . .
______________________________________________________________________________ Compared to Bush they were. Again, the debates clearly showed what a dunce Bush was next to those two. Kerry absolutely wiped the floor with Bush and it's why the race ended up as close as it did. Gore...the press and Freepers were more interested in reporting HOW he spoke...his makeup...his off camera reactions than in anything he said. Meanwhile, when Bush babbled incoherently the press simply reportred he did "as expected". We expected a candidate to babble incoherently and he met thos expectations?!?
Compared to Bush they were. Let's be generous and give both of us the benefit of the doubt. I want what's best for the country, as I assume you do, too. What is obvious is that my idea of "best for the country" differs substantially from yours. We're likely never to agree on that. What we MIGHT be able to agree on is that discussions like "who is the smarter candidate" miss the larger point. Because if I tend to agree with a candidate's stand on the issues that I care about, I'm likely to overlook his/her shortcomings. I suspect you do the same with candidates with whom you agree. The larger point (to me) is this: Why, in a country of 300 million, are we reduced to selecting from such a shitty pool of candidates? Bush was the BEST candidate to represent the "conservative" point of view??? Give me a freaking break - he's about as conservative as John McClown. Likewise, Kerry and Gore were flawed as well. The system is broken and has been for quite a long time. sneakypete responded to a point I made about politics becoming a cult of personality (rather than a discussion of policies or issues). Perhaps that is by design, and "we the people" should take it back and demand better.
______________________________________________________________________________ Let's cut to the chase here. A guy in a wheelchair looks at my house and tells me I need a new roof. I agree with him. Am I going to allow him to put it up? No. Okay...so all we need the wheel chair guy to do is recognize that I need a new roof and trust that he's going to hire the right guys to do the job. Put Bush in that wheelchair and now look at his crew...he had the same fucking morons around him that blundered into Iraq in the first place. He had the same group of guys that engineered to blow up of the S&L's. Bush had FAILURE written all over him. I love my brother in law to death. I agree with him on everything from wine, to music, to books, to politics. There is NO WAY I would ever give him a job. Ever.
Bush was the BEST candidate to represent the "conservative" point of view??? Give me a freaking break - he's about as conservative as John McClown. Likewise, Kerry and Gore were flawed as well. How many, of those who are qualified, are willing to go through the political shredder? Endless fund raising, microscopic scrutiny, and death threats don't appeal to everyone. If they ain't flawed enough on their own, the political process will manufacture fatal flaws to pin on them. Example: Obama is a Muslim.
Okay war, you win. Bush is the reason we don't have Constitutional government anymore. Bush is the reason our "empire" is crumbling. Hell - Bush is the reason we have global warming. /extreme sarcasm off I can see I've overestimated your ability to have a political discussion. Your insane hatred of Bush prevents it. It borders on the pathological - you should seek help. What happened - did Bush kick your ass a some point in your life? It's people like you that have given us President Zero. Oh, you can say you didn't vote for him, but tell me what statist policies of his you disagree with? It's people like you that prove that self-government is doomed to failure.
______________________________________________________________________________ Obama is likely a muslim. He certainly isn't a christian. He was born to muslim father. He went to muslim school. He celebrates muslim holidays and covers up christian symbols. He said the sweetest sound in the world is the muslim call to prayer. He said "his muslim faith" go George Step His vision for NASA is to promote muslims Only the blind would say there is no evidence he is a muslim. This is just off the top of my head there is much more.
If they ain't flawed enough on their own, the political process will manufacture fatal flaws to pin on them. Example: Obama is a Muslim. You make some excellent points. My only question to you is this: is the fact that there is a perception out there that "Obama is a Muslim" solely due to the "political process"? Or does Obama himself bear some of the blame for the perception?
______________________________________________________________________________ I didn't vote for Obama. I voted for Tim Gannon. Probably will in 2012 as well...
You certainly appear to be less of one than he does.
He was born to muslim father. He went to muslim school. He celebrates muslim holidays and covers up christian symbols. He said the sweetest sound in the world is the muslim call to prayer. He said "his muslim faith" go George Step His vision for NASA is to promote muslims Only the blind would say there is no evidence he is a muslim. This is just off the top of my head there is much more. Thank you. I couldn't have illustrated my point better. As an aside, you don't match my picture of a Christian.
Thats because Liberals like yourself see 'christians' as demons.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Or does Obama himself bear some of the blame for the perception? Certainly Obama does not have any responsibility for what religion his father was born into (and chose not to practice). IMHO, Obama has very little to do with that perception - its that microscopic and selective scrutiny thing. It ignores stuff like he was married in a church, his children were baptized, and his wife has exposed arms, shoulders, cleavage, legs, knees - publicly and often.
You really have no talent as a mind reader. I'd give it up if I were you.
And you see Christians as gullible, naive and easy to politically manipulate.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Some of this I attribute to the "dog days of August". Slow news and all. That said - the way I try to live my Christianity is to accept it at face value when someone says about themself "I am a Christian." Now, being human, I'll admit to raising eyebrows or shaking my head at some of what Zero has DONE. But I don't believe it's my place to make a declarative statement "he's not a Christian" when he says he is one. If he is, he does (by definition) come under the Lordship of Christ. So we're to leave it to Christ to make the final determination.
______________________________________________________________________________ There is a certain need to show the world that by accepting Jesus Christ the person has also accepted some of the basic standards Jesus expoused, or the word hypocrite comes to mind.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
One final point about this whole "Obama = muslim" thing: IIRC, the polling data suggests that the number of people who doubt that Obama is a Christian has gone UP since he's been on the scene. One would expect it to go down. I find that interesting.
______________________________________________________________________________ All polls, on such a subjective topic do, is quantify statistics on the effectiveness of the media.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
Jesus applied the term hypocrite to the Pharisees who - as you probably know - were the extremely religious and pious of His day. They certainly had a "holier than thou" attitude, and saw themselves as perfect. They certainly didn't see themselves in need of a Savior. Personally, I wouldn't use the term hypocrite to describe most "run-of-the-mill" Christians. As long as they realize that we are all sinners. We can strive for perfection, but we'll never achieve it (on this Earth, anyway.) Yes, there ARE certainly hypocrites, and I'm sure we all have our favorite list
______________________________________________________________________________ Actually, your statement can be applied to not only subjective topics, but all topics.
______________________________________________________________________________ We're pretty much on the same page on this one.
One would expect it to go down. I find that interesting. Repeat a lie often enough...
Because we live under a party system that would almost be the envy of Soviet Russia,and we did this to ourselves because too many of us insist on ALWAYS voting for the "Party Candidate" for a show of solidarity. Even if we wouldn't piss on him or her if they were on fire. And make no mistake about it,this is nobody's fault but our (the collective "our",not necessarily you and I) fault. We have this system if effect now where we have evolved to the point where the employees are the masters because we have allowed the professional political class to turn our system upside down to the point where all the political power now comes from the top down,instead of from the bottom up. When you lose the "bottom up" power you lose the influence of the people. As I have been saying for a while now,it is not only conservatives like me getting screwed. The hard left are getting screwed by the Dim Party leaders just like the conservatives keep getting screwed by the Dim Lite Party leaders. If we,the conservatives AND the left,want to go back to a representative system where WE are the masters and the politicians are our employees,we MUST start seizing control at the local levels and extend our power up. The FACT is than not a single politician in DC is there without our permission. You can't blame the party leadership for seizing all the power they can seize and pushing forward candidates that guarantee their positions and power. The blame is ours for letting them get away with it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And you are so freaking blind you can't see that Obama is Bush with a tan. Barry Soetoro=Bush 4.0.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
sneakypete... Race 24/7.
meguro......partisan idiot 24/7. Just to be clear,though. Are you accusing me of being a racist because I am saying Barry Soetoro is a white man with a tan? Enquiring minds,and all dat.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Don't be STUPID! Quit shilling for Obama. You can't watch this video and not come to the conclusion that Obama is a muslim.
I'm pointing out your obsession with race.
Obama regularly calls the Koran the "holy Koran" No christian would do that.
So that is why you think Obama was born in Hawaii. Got ya.
Surely you can't watch this video and not conclude that Snowmen can come to life. And mine doesn't have some BS legal disclaimer. I'm telling you SNOWMEN COME TO LIFE!!!
You posted your kids cartoon about 5 min after I posted a 10 min video as proof. You're a joke. Do you travel time too? Proves you don't look at the facts. Did you clear out your locker yet?
The only thing that video you posted could possibly prove is that you're a loon. In other words, it's extrinsic.
You're afraid of the video and can't refute it. Checkmate again.
The video itself says it isn't proof of anything. So, if anything, you're lying about what the video "proves" which makes it more likely to prove you a loon than Obama a Moslem.
BTW, thanks for once again displaying your hypocrisy by allowing Tull to accuse me of wanting to molest my own grand daughter stand without any action by you. A true act of Christian Charity in your part to Tull. I'm overwhelmed by your example.
:P
When did you lose your hair?
Of course it is God who knows. But when Jesus said he is the ONLY way and NOONE comes to God except through him. And you have Obama calling the Koran "holy". It is a pretty gigantic clue.
This is the first I've heard of it. I hope he isn't right.
You're such a loser aka.
#2. To: WhiteSands (#0)
#3. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#2)
#4. To: war (#3)
You believe that the GOP is straight forward and honest?
#5. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#4)
#6. To: war (#5)
I don't vote for republicans OR democrats for POTUS.
#7. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#6)
#8. To: war (#5)
(Edited)
But republicans... are the worst liars and spinners in Politics.
#9. To: war (#7)
I'm a reality check for you. You spent two days lying and got spanked.
#10. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#9)
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
Conversely, how long have you felt you were Neo's hovercraft ship they used to hack into the Matrix with in that movie series?
#12. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#11)
#13. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#9)
Just how many voices do you hear by the way?
#14. To: jwpegler (#8)
However, there are a handful of honest elected Republicans.
#15. To: Nebuchadnezzar, war (#6)
Oh puhleez. You shill for Obama 24/7 on this forum. You've voted for Obama in '08. You continually support just about ever action he takes.
#16. To: Liberator, Nebuchadnezzar, war (#15)
Oh puhleez. You shill for Obama 24/7 on this forum. You've voted for Obama in '08. You continually support just about ever action he takes. Your credibility just took another hit War.
Zero diddled while America burned
#17. To: Ignore Amos (#16)
(Edited)
I think he believes that there is something inherently different about republicans. Some defect in their DNA, perhaps?
#18. To: war (#17)
George W. Bush and Sarah Palin are whom you've presented and are presenting as a solution to the problem . . .
Zero diddled while America burned
#19. To: Ignore Amos (#18)
#20. To: war (#19)
He's running for POTUS?
Zero diddled while America burned
#21. To: Ignore Amos (#20)
Now that we've gotten your obfuscation out of the way
#22. To: Liberator (#15)
War has no compunction about lying and mischaracterizations. It's like breathing. ALL liberals and Leftists justify their BS when it suits their agenda.
#23. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#22)
I know he is a congenital liar.
#24. To: war (#21)
YOU voted for the Boy Blunder
Yep - guilty on that one. Lesser of two evils and all that. 2004 will be the last time that happens - if I can't vote FOR someone, the ballot will remain blank. and, I suspect, would vote for Palin were she the nominee.
She won't be, so I'll never have the choice.
Zero diddled while America burned
#25. To: Ignore Amos (#24)
(Edited)
Yep - guilty on that one. Lesser of two evils and all that. 2004 will be the last time that happens
#26. To: war (#25)
you had a chance to pick a smart guy over a dumb one and you opted for dumb.
Zero diddled while America burned
#27. To: Ignore Amos (#26)
(Edited)
You think Owlgore and John F'n Kerry were SMART?
#28. To: war (#27)
You think Owlgore and John F'n Kerry were SMART?
Zero diddled while America burned
#29. To: Ignore Amos (#28)
... is like arguing the intelligence of Moe vs. Larry vs. Curly.
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#29)
Moe was the brains of the three.
Zero diddled while America burned
#31. To: Ignore Amos (#28)
But don't try to sell me the bullshit that Kerry or Gore are Mensa candidates. Because they're not.
#32. To: war, sneakypete (#31)
But don't try to sell me the bullshit that Kerry or Gore are Mensa candidates. Because they're not.
Zero diddled while America burned
#33. To: Ignore Amos (#32)
(Edited)
Because if I tend to agree with a candidate's stand on the issues that I care about, I'm likely to overlook his/her shortcomings. I suspect you do the same with candidates with whom you agree.
#34. To: Ignore Amos (#32)
Why, in a country of 300 million, are we reduced to selecting from such a shitty pool of candidates?
#35. To: war (#33)
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Zero diddled while America burned
#36. To: lucysmom (#34)
Obama is a Muslim.
#37. To: lucysmom (#34)
How many, of those who are qualified, are willing to go through the political shredder? Endless fund raising, microscopic scrutiny, and death threats don't appeal to everyone.
Zero diddled while America burned
#38. To: Ignore Amos (#35)
#39. To: A K A Stone (#36)
He certainly isn't a christian.
#40. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Obama is likely a muslim. He certainly isn't a christian.
#41. To: lucysmom (#40)
As an aside, you don't match my picture of a Christian.
#42. To: Ignore Amos (#37)
My only question to you is this: is the fact that there is a perception out there that "Obama is a Muslim" solely due to the "political process"?
#43. To: Badeye (#41)
Thats because Liberals like yourself see 'christians' as demons.
#44. To: Badeye (#41)
Thats because Liberals like yourself see 'christians' as demons.
#45. To: lucysmom (#42)
It ignores stuff like he was married in a church, his children were baptized, and his wife has exposed arms, shoulders, cleavage, legs, knees - publicly and often.
Zero diddled while America burned
#46. To: Ignore Amos (#45)
That said - the way I try to live my Christianity is to accept it at face value when someone says about themself "I am a Christian."
#47. To: lucysmom (#43)
Zero diddled while America burned
#48. To: Ignore Amos (#47)
IIRC, the polling data suggests that the number of people who doubt that Obama is a Christian has gone UP since he's been on the scene.
#49. To: mininggold (#46)
There is a certain need to show the world that by accepting Jesus Christ the person has also accepted some of the basic standards Jesus expoused, or the word hypocrite comes to mind.
Zero diddled while America burned
#50. To: mininggold (#48)
All polls, on such a subjective topic do, is quantify statistics on the effectiveness of the media.
Zero diddled while America burned
#51. To: Ignore Amos (#45)
If he is, he does (by definition) come under the Lordship of Christ. So we're to leave it to Christ to make the final determination.
#52. To: Ignore Amos (#47)
IIRC, the polling data suggests that the number of people who doubt that Obama is a Christian has gone UP since he's been on the scene.
#53. To: Ignore Amos, war (#32)
The larger point (to me) is this: Why, in a country of 300 million, are we reduced to selecting from such a shitty pool of candidates?
#54. To: war (#33)
Okay...so all we need the wheel chair guy to do is recognize that I need a new roof and trust that he's going to hire the right guys to do the job. Put Bush in that wheelchair and now look at his crew...he had the same fucking morons around him that blundered into Iraq in the first place. He had the same group of guys that engineered to blow up of the S&L's.
#55. To: sneakypete, war (#54)
And you are so freaking blind you can't see that Obama is Bush with a tan.
#56. To: meguro (#55)
sneakypete... Race 24/7.
#57. To: lucysmom (#40)
Thank you. I couldn't have illustrated my point better.
#58. To: sneakypete (#56)
Just to be clear,though. Are you accusing me of being a racist because I am saying Barry Soetoro is a white man with a tan?
#59. To: lucysmom (#40)
#60. To: lucysmom (#52)
Repeat a lie often enough...
#61. To: A K A Stone (#57)
(Edited)
#62. To: war (#61)
#63. To: A K A Stone (#62)
You posted your kids cartoon about 5 min after I posted a 10 min video as proof.
#64. To: war (#63)
#65. To: A K A Stone (#64)
#66. To: A K A Stone (#64)
#67. To: was (#66)
#68. To: Jethro Tull (#67)
#69. To: Ignore Amos (#45)
That said - the way I try to live my Christianity is to accept it at face value when someone says about themself "I am a Christian."
#70. To: war (#66)
#71. To: A K A Stone (#70)
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara
#72. To: Fred Mertz (#71)
Ok. I don't think Jethro is right.
#73. To: A K A Stone (#72)
Tull controls you. I don't get that. On second thought they have a term for that. I don't even know why he comes over here or why you participate at 4um, since they (tull) banned you not that long ago.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara
#74. To: A K A Stone (#72)
That's mighty white of you, Stone.
Ok. I don't think Jethro is right.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the village idiot's hemorrhoid.
#75. To: Fredo Mertz (#73)
I doesn't take much to confuse you, Fredo.
I don't even know why he comes over here or why you participate at 4um, since they (tull) banned you not that long ago.
#76. To: A K A Stone (#72)
WRONG THREAD
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara
#77. To: WhiteSands (#0)
This Video Shows what Obamacare is REALLY going to be like: ;c)
The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!
#78. To: A K A Stone (#72)
aka loser, who posted my reply #72? Like tull, you're an asshole.
"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara
#79. To: Fred Mertz, Stone (#78)
Like tull, you're an asshole. Well said Fredo! aka loser, who posted my reply #72?
#80. To: Jethro Tull (#79) (Edited)
And yet here you are the one spending most of the day stalking those you banned. What a great LE example you are, not to mention time waster. Surely your gal Palin will find a position for you in her cabinet, after you put 'internet chat sites stalker' on your resume.
Well said Fredo!
"Look you leftist pervert, make sure you keep your Mr Winky away from your family's new addition or I will send some fellow salad tossers to square away your sorry butt. Got it??"
Jethro Tull explaining what goes on in the Palin family household.
#81. To: sneakypete, war (#54)
And you are so freaking blind you can't see that Obama is Bush with a tan.
#82. To: lucysmom (#43)
That the other aspect of being a Liberal, you give up easily when confronted with fact.
You really have no talent as a mind reader. I'd give it up if I were you.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#83. To: mininggold (#44)
Wrong again, ming.
And you see Christians as gullible, naive and easy to politically manipulate.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#84. To: A K A Stone (#57)
I don't suppose its occurred to you that the tape was made pulling quotes and images out of context and over time to lead you by the nose to just that conclusion.
You can't watch this video and not come to the conclusion that Obama is a muslim.
#85. To: A K A Stone (#59)
Why not?
Obama regularly calls the Koran the "holy Koran" No christian would do that.
#86. To: lucysmom (#84)
He knows.
#87. To: A K A Stone (#59) (Edited)
"Islam traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. And Ramadan commemorates the revelation of God's word in the Holy Koran to the prophet Mohammad -- a word that is read and recited with special attention and reverence by Muslims during this season." --George W. "Boy Blunder" Bush 12/10/2002.
#88. To: A K A Stone (#60)
If that's the quality of your thinking, why would I take seriously anything you assert?
So that is why you think Obama was born in Hawaii. Got ya.
#89. To: war (#87)
It's funny how so many people have managed to forget George's position on Islam, just like they've managed to forget that TARP happened under his administration.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the village idiot's hemorrhoid.
#90. To: Skip Intro (#89)
Stone was more fun on bozo...
#91. To: A K A Stone (#69)
So, if someone yells "holy mackerel", does that mean they worship fish?
#92. To: Bartcoprules (#91)
Holy shit!!!
So, if someone yells "holy mackerel", does that mean they worship fish?
#93. To: war (#92)
You worship fecal matter?
#94. To: Bartcoprules (#93) (Edited)
Holy 36DD's!!!!
#95. To: Skip Intro (#89)
You mean this position? __ US Muslims bristle at Bush term "Islamic fascists" By Amanda Beck WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Muslim groups criticized President George W. Bush on Thursday for calling a foiled plot to blow up airplanes part of a "war with Islamic fascists," saying the term could inflame anti-Muslim tensions. U.S. officials have said the plot, thwarted by Britain, to blow up several aircraft over the Atlantic bore many of the hallmarks of al Qaeda. "We believe this is an ill-advised term and we believe that it is counter-productive to associate Islam or Muslims with fascism," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations advocacy group. "We ought to take advantage of these incidents to make sure that we do not start a religious war against Islam and Muslims," he told a news conference in Washington. "We urge him (Bush) and we urge other public officials to restrain themselves." Awad said U.S. officials should take the lead from their British counterparts who had steered clear of using what he considered inflammatory terms when they announced the arrest of more than 20 suspects in the reported plot. Hours after the news broke, Bush said it was "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation."
It's funny how so many people have managed to forget George's position on Islam
#96. To: no gnu taxes (#95)
(laughing) Skippy isn't the sharpest knife in the LF drawer....
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#97. To: Skip Intro (#89)
Except he described our opponents as 'Islamofacists' and you clowns went nuts, remember, skippy? (roaring with laughter)
It's funny how so many people have managed to forget George's position on Islam, just like they've managed to forget that TARP happened under his administration.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#98. To: Badeye (#96)
He's another one of those clowns who professes to be "an independent thinker" yet toes the Democrat Party line all the way.
#99. To: war (#92)
LOL!
#100. To: no gnu taxes (#95)
Eric, Bush went out of his way to praise Islam, many, many times. The term "Islamic Fascists" refers to a tiny subset of Islam, not Islam itself.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the village idiot's hemorrhoid.
#101. To: no gnu taxes (#98)
A full decade, and he's NEVER found a postive thing related to anyone or anything from the GOP...excluding the Spector types of course, that jumped ship. He's a well known quantity, and its laughable he dares to even suggest 'independent thought'.
He's another one of those clowns who professes to be "an independent thinker" yet toes the Democrat Party line all the way
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#102. To: Skip Intro (#100)
I just noticed your quote...wasn't Puppy a Poopy? Did US warships get strafed a lot back then...other than by Israel I mean....?
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog
#103. To: Skip Intro (#100)
Not every one out there who considers himself a Muslim is familiar enough with the basics of their religion to realize what murdering thugs they are supposed to be. Why would Bush or any statesman want to got out of their way to denigrate these people?
#104. To: no gnu taxes (#103)
You ever read the Old Testament? You should be shaking in your boots that there are Jews walking around freely.
Not every one out there who considers himself a Muslim is familiar enough with the basics of their religion to realize what murdering thugs they are supposed to be.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the village idiot's hemorrhoid.
#105. To: Skip Intro (#100)
I believe it was a term made up by Limpbaugh too.
Eric, Bush went out of his way to praise Islam, many, many times. The term "Islamic Fascists" refers to a tiny subset of Islam, not Islam itself.
"Look you leftist pervert, make sure you keep your Mr Winky away from your family's new addition or I will send some fellow salad tossers to square away your sorry butt. Got it??"
Jethro Tull explaining what goes on in the Palin family household.
#106. To: war (#102)
I think Popeye single-handedly "splashed" three Migs by throwing spinach cans at them.
I just noticed your quote...wasn't Puppy a Poopy? Did US warships get strafed a lot back then...other than by Israel I mean....?
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the village idiot's hemorrhoid.
#107. To: mininggold (#105)
It came from the Fox "News"/Savage Weiner/Limbaugh think tank.
I believe it was a term made up by Limpbaugh too.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the village idiot's hemorrhoid.
#108. To: Skip Intro (#107) (Edited)
As soon as I posted it Savage came to mind along with his constant bragging rights.
It came from the Fox "News"/Savage Weiner/Limbaugh think tank.
"Look you leftist pervert, make sure you keep your Mr Winky away from your family's new addition or I will send some fellow salad tossers to square away your sorry butt. Got it??"
Jethro Tull explaining what goes on in the Palin family household.
#109. To: Skip Intro (#106)
Aha... And we spend how much on REAL ordinance? Seems to be a waste when we can simply grow our own...
I think Popeye single-handedly "splashed" three Migs by throwing spinach cans at them.
#110. To: Skip Intro (#104)
You ever read the New Testament? The Jews waged war with those who would destroy their Nation with Godless beliefs and practices. That certainly would not include modern Christians.
You ever read the Old Testament?
#111. To: no gnu taxes (#110)
I've read the entire book of superstition and fiction. How anyone could take this crap seriously is beyond me.
You ever read the New Testament?
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the village idiot's hemorrhoid.
#112. To: no gnu taxes (#110) (Edited)
You're claming that New Testament Jews waged war with Rome? Here's a clue for you. Two other groups separately ruled Palestine longer than the Jews ever did.
The Jews waged war with those who would destroy their Nation with Godless beliefs and practices.
#113. To: war (#102)
A friend who was on an AE until late 1969 told me the only time they were strafed was once by our own planes, and were almost hit by one that ditched close by while they were doing a transfer to another ship.
I just noticed your quote...wasn't Puppy a Poopy? Did US warships get strafed a lot back then...other than by Israel I mean....?
"Look you leftist pervert, make sure you keep your Mr Winky away from your family's new addition or I will send some fellow salad tossers to square away your sorry butt. Got it??"
Jethro Tull explaining what goes on in the Palin family household.
#114. To: meguro (#81)
Meguro,racist 24/7,and always blaming it on the white guy.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#115. To: war (#112)
Several times Two other groups separately ruled Palestine longer than the Jews ever did. What does that have to do with the White House resident being a Kenyan dumbass?
You're claming that New Testament Jews waged war with Rome?
#116. To: Skip Intro (#89)
Well,when it comes to Muslims,I suspect his position is the doggie,instead of the Missionary. It's funny how so many people have managed to forget George's position on Islam,
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#117. To: no gnu taxes (#110)
You mean the edited Word of Gawd because Gawd screwed up the original version of his word?
You ever read the New Testament?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#118. To: Skip Intro (#111)
4 words. "The Fear of God". Small children are programed to live in fear of a loving God that will torture them for all eternity for getting a boner. It's hard to overcome the programming you receive as a child.
How anyone could take this crap seriously is beyond me.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#119. To: sneakypete (#118)
..is the beginning of all wisdom. Which would explain a lot of the dumbasses around here.
The Fear of God
#120. To: sneakypete (#117)
You mean the edited Word of Gawd because Gawd screwed up the original version of his word? Realistically, the NT is actually primarily the Word of Paul, a guy who never met Jesus. An objective view of all of this would indicate that God 1 screwed things up so much that he got his ass fired and replaced with God 2. Being the vicious SOB that he is, God 1 then reappeared as Allah, as mean and vindictive as ever.
You ever read the New Testament?
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the village idiot's hemorrhoid.
#121. To: no gnu taxes (#119)
Which would explain a lot of the dumbasses around here. And why you don't have any wisdom at all.
..is the beginning of all wisdom.
"How many confirmed NV Mig kills do YOU have general? I only have three." - Mad Dog, the village idiot's hemorrhoid.
#122. To: no gnu taxes (#119)
..is the beginning of all wisdom. Which would explain a lot of the dumbasses around here. Or at least explain why so many of them think they are wise.
The Fear of God
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#123. To: Skip Intro (#120)
Yup. The cult leaders thought they would come up with something more user friendly to attract people and money. Being the vicious SOB that he is, God 1 then reappeared as Allah, as mean and vindictive as ever. You may just be onto something,there.
An objective view of all of this would indicate that God 1 screwed things up so much that he got his ass fired and replaced with God 2
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#124. To: sneakypete, Skip Intro (#123)
“The two Testaments are interesting, each in its own way. The Old one gives us a picture of these people’s Deity as he was before he got religion, the other one gives us a picture of him as he appeared afterward” Mark Twain
#125. To: Skip Intro (#120)
We'll all get to find out soon enough, won't we skippy?
An objective view of all of this would indicate that God 1 screwed things up so much that he got his ass fired and replaced with God 2. Being the vicious SOB that he is, God 1 then reappeared as Allah, as mean and vindictive as ever.
#126. To: sneakypete (#114)
Meguro,racist 24/7,and always blaming it on the white guy. When the white guy's name is Bush, you betcha!
#127. To: war, Bartcoprules (#92)
Robin worshipped quite a lot, didn't he?
Holy shit!!!
#128. To: meguro (#127)
{;^D
#129. To: Bartcoprules (#91)
I Guess it is possible. But I doubt it.
So, if someone yells "holy mackerel", does that mean they worship fish?
#130. To: Skip Intro (#111)
You just like fucking monkeys. Weirdo.
#131. To: Skip Intro (#120)
Firstly Skippy, that would be a "subjective" view - NOT "objective." Secondly, yours is an IN-Sane view - though pretty funny. I mean "funny" in a cuckoo-on-'shrooms kinda way. Let me clue you in on something - MAN is "vicious." God didn't program us to be robots; But He DID program us to innately "know" good from evil; right from wrong. He's also let us all have free will to be as monstrous or saintly as we want. Wasn't that cool? How's crap that happens His fault again? Should He have programmed us to do ONLY what he commands?
An objective view of all of this would indicate that God 1 screwed things up so much that he got his ass fired and replaced with God 2. Being the vicious SOB that he is, God 1 then reappeared as Allah, as mean and vindictive as ever.
#132. To: Skip Intro (#120)
IF Jesus performed miracles, raised the dead, and was Himself raised from the dead while admitted He was the Son of God, why would any Bible-believing person disbelieve Christ's ability to speak directly TO Paul?
Realistically, the NT is actually primarily the Word of Paul, a guy who never met Jesus.
#133. To: sneakypete (#118)
It's hard to overcome the programming you receive as a child. You're ok now though, right? LOL...
"The Fear of God". Small children are programed to live in fear of a loving God that will torture them for all eternity for getting a boner.
#134. To: lucysmom (#124)
LOL! You just can't match Mark Twain when it comes to spot on assessments on life.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#135. To: Liberator (#133)
You're ok now though, right? Yes.
It's hard to overcome the programming you receive as a child.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
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